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neploho
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What question qould you like me to answer?
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jakasaki
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I’ve noticed that you seem to like to change the topic of the OP in so many places…
So, here it is for your review and reminder… the topic of conversation/debate is:…
Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?
Please try to stay on the OP and not hijack the topic to a different direction. If you wish to discuss your inquiry, well then feel free to start a new thread.
Thanks!
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josie_L
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Taken from a previous post directed at “toi”:
What part of the New Testament do you not understand, Christians are under a new covenant with Christ, as such, do you see any violence being committed by Christians in the Bible? If indeed Mohammed was a true prophet, how does one go from Christianity which exulted peace, love and mercy, to barbarism as enacted by the most holy and exalted of men, Mohammed?
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planten
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**It seems to be some camouflaged post from J C without any direction or meaning. The prophets and messengers of God are all perfect persons. So was Jesus and Moses and Muhammad. They received the word of God/Allah. Allah would not put His words into the heart of any bad sinful person.
To say that God spoke only to the children of Israel and did not reveal Himself to any other nation is flawed belief.
To say that Only Jesus was sinless and all others were sinful is another wishful thinking not based on truth.
In Persian, there is a poetical stanza:
Khisht e awwal choun nihad Mehmaar e kajj
Taa thurayya (Zeenath) may rawad deewar e kajj.**
A bad builder, when he lays the first brick for a wall…
The leaning (not upright) wall goes upto the paledies (Zeenath).
Once The christians had some very awkward basic beliefs such as making Jesus as God… Then they had no way to come back to the right path./ right beliefs. One wrong belief needs another bad one to support it.
To say that God spoke only to the children of Israel and did not reveal Himself to any other nation is flawed belief.
To say that Only Jesus was sinless and all others were sinful is another wishful thinking not based on truth.
In Persian, there is a poetical stanza:
Khisht e awwal choun nihad Mehmaar e kajj
Taa thurayya (Zeenath) may rawad deewar e kajj.**
A bad builder, when he lays the first brick for a wall…
The leaning (not upright) wall goes upto the paledies (Zeenath).
Once The christians had some very awkward basic beliefs such as making Jesus as God… Then they had no way to come back to the right path./ right beliefs. One wrong belief needs another bad one to support it.
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Benjamin8o8
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The question has been answered as you already can see. But I wish to stress and (I don
t know if other Catholics of this forum might agree) but I dont think it was completely wrong for Muhammad to wage Jihad against those that placed their beliefs on pagan gods (satan). I state it before that I sincerly believe (and so do other Priests) that God did intervene in Mohammeds evil acts and brought good out of it. I do believe that it was Gods plan for Mohammed to conguer against the evil pagans. But the fact of the matter remains, Mohammed was an awful human being. He attacked the JEWS…the JEWS! All prophets before Mohammed were Jews, and he massacred them. He insulted Christianity and tried to replace Islam with it. He even degraded Jesus Christ. By saying that Jesus was just a prophet who was miracioulous convived means that Jesus didnt actually have free will. He was just a robotic prophet who God send for His own good. Jesus didnt have to decide wether to follow God or not, He was just “chosen”. But all other prophets had to work their way up to reach prophetic status. You see where I am going here? If Jesus was miracioulous concieved, God basically made Jesus for His own reasons. The Prophet that Islam peortray Isa as is quite degrading but they don`t realize it because all eyes are on Mohammed.But yeah, back to the point. You fail to realize what age Moses lived and at what period Mohammed killed innocent men and women. I stated before, Judaism was Gods revealed religion to mankind. In order for it to grow God had to dicipline His people. Just imagine if God wasnt strict with the orders He gave to Moses. Just imagine what type of society we would have today!
God forbid! But you see, God also realized as the modern world evolved it was time to send a new Covenant. This New Covenant was Jesus Christ. Jesus set us free and fullfilled Gods law.Its the same thing when you raise a child, you are very stict on him or her when they are young. You don`t even allow them to eat too much sugar, but when they grow up, you allow them to go out night to clubs and all of that because they are old enough to make their own decision. This is how God treated society. So please how can you go to Moses Law to Jesus to Mohammed
Makes no sense what.so.ever.I also have a question for anybody else reading this. At one point I heard from members of this forum that Mohammed ordered his men to slaughter few hundred Jews or something like that. Is there any evidence for this or what?
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planten
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**jakasaki, the subject is not changed, You people are closing your eyes to the same kind of things ( killings) that you have in your bibles. Forgetting all that, you like to discuss what Muhammad did. Why is that?? That is not fair.
Muhammad did not kill any one for not believeing in him. He did not kill or intend to kill any Jew or christian or any pagan. He did not intend or order or teach the killing of even the pagans. Had the pagans of Makkah remained calm and peaceful, there would have been no wars and no killing.
But the pagans persecuted the believers mercilessly for 13 years. When the Muslims migrated to other places (Ethiopia or Madina) the pagans went there to kill the believers. So what was to be done?? You ignore all these things and you ignore what your senior leader prophets of the Jews had been doing. Then what right do you have to ask questions about Muhammad on same subject?
Either you blame both parties or you leave both alone. Don’t give wrong biased judgement.
The pagans had to be killed in the battles. I tell you that your religion is incomplete, as you have it now. We all know that it would be a crime not to stop the people from evil deeds, from killing innocent persons. According to your religion, you would go and kiss the murderer and show you love for him ( Love thy enemy). That would not be right. It would be illegal, un-natural and un-ethical.
Islam allows the forgiveness to a any bad deed if the forgiveness would help and correct the eveil doer. But if it would not help or stop him from further bad deeds then Islam orders to restrain that evil doer and even prescribes the punishment too.
Tell me what do you have?/ For such bad deeds? Anything?? Please tell.**
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planten
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jakasaki, here is another one for your kind consideration. You had posted the following:
**Deuteronomy - Chapter 18
20 - But if a prophet presumes to speak in my name an oracle that I have not commanded him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, he shall die.**’ = “He shall be killed.”
21 - "If you say to yourselves, ‘How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?’,
22 - know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak.
The prophet has spoken it presumptuously, and you shall have no fear of him.
The original words of the verse 18:20 used to be "he shall be killed." But you people have changed the words to “he shall die.” That is a very clever move of the present day writers of the bible who are trying to improve things in the bible. That is unfair.
Do you say that any prophet who spoke the truth about God will not die? Every one will die. Then why the wrods have been changed from killed to just die?? Every one dies. The real words of the verse 20 conveyed the meaning that the false prophet will be killed. Killing is different to dying. But you people have modified the words to avoid an important news.
Now come to Jesus. Was he not killed on the cross according to you?? Then apply that verse Deut 18:20 to Jesus. You will know that Jesus was a false prophet according to your own beliefs.
That was the main problem of the Jews. Jesus had appeared to the Jews as a prophet of God. He claimed to be a prophet and messenger of God only. he gave the message. The Jews did not like it and they were in serious trouble due to the teachings of Jesus.
The Jews wanted to get rid of Jesus and wanted to prove that Jesus was not a true prophet of God. So they planned to kill Jesus to prove that he was a false prophet. Another plan they had ( that was double attack on Jesus) that he should be killed on the cross so that Jesus becomes a cursed person according to the bibleOT.
So first attack was to kill Jesus and prove by Deut 18:20 that Jesus was a false prophet. The second plan was to kill him on the cross to prove that he was a cursed person very far away from the Love and Mercy of God and so he could never be even an ordinary good man.
Quran has solved this problem and saved Jesus from any death at all at the hands of Jews. Thus proving that he was a true man of God. Thus proving that Jesus was not a false prophet and also proving that he was not a cursed person. All praise is to Allah. Al hamdu Lillah.
**Deuteronomy - Chapter 18
20 - But if a prophet presumes to speak in my name an oracle that I have not commanded him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, he shall die.**’ = “He shall be killed.”
21 - "If you say to yourselves, ‘How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?’,
22 - know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak.
The prophet has spoken it presumptuously, and you shall have no fear of him.
The original words of the verse 18:20 used to be "he shall be killed." But you people have changed the words to “he shall die.” That is a very clever move of the present day writers of the bible who are trying to improve things in the bible. That is unfair.
Do you say that any prophet who spoke the truth about God will not die? Every one will die. Then why the wrods have been changed from killed to just die?? Every one dies. The real words of the verse 20 conveyed the meaning that the false prophet will be killed. Killing is different to dying. But you people have modified the words to avoid an important news.
Now come to Jesus. Was he not killed on the cross according to you?? Then apply that verse Deut 18:20 to Jesus. You will know that Jesus was a false prophet according to your own beliefs.
That was the main problem of the Jews. Jesus had appeared to the Jews as a prophet of God. He claimed to be a prophet and messenger of God only. he gave the message. The Jews did not like it and they were in serious trouble due to the teachings of Jesus.
The Jews wanted to get rid of Jesus and wanted to prove that Jesus was not a true prophet of God. So they planned to kill Jesus to prove that he was a false prophet. Another plan they had ( that was double attack on Jesus) that he should be killed on the cross so that Jesus becomes a cursed person according to the bibleOT.
So first attack was to kill Jesus and prove by Deut 18:20 that Jesus was a false prophet. The second plan was to kill him on the cross to prove that he was a cursed person very far away from the Love and Mercy of God and so he could never be even an ordinary good man.
Quran has solved this problem and saved Jesus from any death at all at the hands of Jews. Thus proving that he was a true man of God. Thus proving that Jesus was not a false prophet and also proving that he was not a cursed person. All praise is to Allah. Al hamdu Lillah.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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If really this is correct , then why your loving Prince scolded them in NT ?
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All Prophets (peace be them all ) were Jews ? Does it mean Jews have monopoly over the mercy of Lord of the Worlds ? God created world & heavens Only for Jews ?
If really this is correct , then why your loving Prince scolded them in NT ?
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Benjamin8o8
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What do you mean he scolded them in the NT?In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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All Prophets (peace be them all ) were Jews ? Does it mean Jews have monopoly of Lord of the Worlds ? God created world & heavens Only for Jews ?
If really this is correct , then why your loving Prince scolded them in NT ?
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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I mean , Jesus (pbuh) said something nice about Jews , why not read your holy book ?What do you mean he scolded them in the NT?
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Benjamin8o8
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you`re right, so let me quote what Jesus said:
“You don’t know what you’re worshiping. We Jews know what we’re worshiping, because salvation comes from the Jews” John 4:22
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BRIT72
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I think you are confused, God always had problems with the Jews, but they are his chosen people and they will be brought back to God, very soon.
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Benjamin8o8
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The Quran isn`t capable of rewritting history. The past is written in stone and nobody could change that. The fact Jesus was crucified on the cross is a historical fact. That is documented. But fortunatly Jesus Christ was resurected and conquered death! ALL PRAISE TO JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF ALLAH!!
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BRIT72
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Allah doesn’t have a Son and he is not God.ALL PRAISE TO JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF ALLAH!!
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Benjamin8o8
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Allah is another word for God, just in Arabic.
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BRIT72
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That’s what satan will have you believe.
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Benjamin8o8
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That`s what satan wanted Mohammed to believe. I know better
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hamba2han
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On the subject of ‘Jihad’ by the earlier Prophets like Jesus and Moses (peace be upon them), kindly refer to this thread.
‘Jihad’ is a very profound concept folks and if Christians and Jews would only refer to… and actually believe what is written in their own Bible, then there is just no reason at all why they should be repelled by this noble word.
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josie_L
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Oh my, are you stating Jesus was a self-hating Jew? Honestly, he berates a few Jewish scribes/pharisees, and now he was not nice to the Jews. Geez, the melodrama!!!
P.S. Why don’t YOU read the Holy Book?
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josie_L
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There is nothing in the NT that would conclusively state that Jesus supported Jihad. Prove it (without misinterpreting scripture).
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