Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[R_not]

I think its not peaceful person because muslims increase terrorism. They don’t live under laws.

They live under laws - they are called sharia laws. It is a combination of the koran, hadiths and sunnah. They are unchangeable and they are unwilling to change them because they say they are from their god.

No non-muslim can vote to change them - or can vote if the sharia laws are the laws of the land. No woman can vote to change them. They are racist and discriminatory against muslim women, non-muslims (dhimmi and slaves). Slaves are a permanent institution in sharia.

Here are some writeups that I did about them:

sharia laws
and
sharia laws post 2

 

[severntofall]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Any Muslim could divorce his all 4 wives & took other wives . But Prophet (pbuh) was forbidden to divorce his wives & take any more wife —these were exceptional laws for him ordered by the God Almighty.

Surely u know about the specific verses ? Still you are trying to spread the misinformation that Prophet (pbuh) broke the command of God . Why you are doing this ?

Are you serious with this! You theists will buy just about any hypocricy when done in the name of the lord. It is worth pointing out that while Mohammed was a complete nutter; he none-the-less compares very well with Moses and other Jewish prophets(if the depictions of them in the bible are true).

 

[dolphinlove]

Are you serious with this! You theists will buy just about any hypocricy when done in the name of the lord. It is worth pointing out that while Mohammed was a complete nutter; he none-the-less compares very well with Moses and other Jewish prophets(if the depictions of them in the bible are true).

dont forget, they justify their prophet having sex with a 9 year old. They will justify anything to ensure they can go on thinking their prophet is good in their eyes.

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Any Muslim could divorce his all 4 wives & took other wives . But Prophet (pbuh) was forbidden to divorce his wives & take any more wife —these were exceptional laws for him ordered by the God Almighty.

Surely u know about the specific verses ? Still you are trying to spread the misinformation that Prophet (pbuh) broke the command of God . Why you are doing this ?

1. Any muslim can divorce all 4 wives and get 4 new women to please him and nothing stops him from repeating the divorce 4 - remarry 4 new ones.
2. What, the 11 or so wives for mohamad wasn’t enough? Aishia was right when she said something like… “your god hurries to please you mohamad”…
3. Mohamad wants, mohamad gets new revelation. Sounds fishy to me!!!
4. Misinformation? We quote your koran, your hadiths. If these things are full of misinformation, well then get rid of them.
5. Nadir Ahmed who debates all sort of Christians has said over and over that the koran is nothing without the hadith. You need the hadith to understand the koran.
6. If muslims have a problem with point #5 google his name and send him an email correcting him.

 

[planten]

dont forget, they justify their prophet having sex with a 9 year old. They will justify anything to ensure they can go on thinking their prophet is good in their eyes.

** I never justified it. There are some good Hadith too. But you people try to take out false reports from Hadith. Hadith is man made as your bibleNT. Not all is correct. Not all is from God in those books. But still our books of Hadith are more reliable and useful than your bible.

BibleNT is not worth anything near our Hadith. Bible is just a story book or a very brief biography of a good man of God (Jesus). **.

 

[planten]

1. Any muslim can divorce all 4 wives and get 4 new women to please him and nothing stops him from repeating the divorce 4 - remarry 4 new ones.
2. What, the 11 or so wives for mohamad wasn’t enough? Aishia was right when she said something like… “your god hurries to please you mohamad”…
3. Mohamad wants, mohamad gets new revelation. Sounds fishy to me!!!
4. Misinformation? We quote your koran, your hadiths. If these things are full of misinformation, well then get rid of them.
5. Nadir Ahmed who debates all sort of Christians has said over and over that the koran is nothing without the hadith. You need the hadith to understand the koran.
6. If muslims have a problem with point #5 google his name and send him an email correcting him.

** jakasaki, Thanks for your post. nadir may be a new precious stone on the scene. I have nothing against him. But We have had lessons about Hadith for long time and told you all about it. I do not need to go to Nadir. But you can tell him from me that Hadith comes after the quran and Sunnah (in the third place). Hadith is to serve the Quran and Sunnah (The practice of the holy prophet). People were praying very well for more than 200 years without the books of Hadith. That was because they (in very large numbers) had practiced the way of the prophet by observation.

Later the books of Hadith were written after 200 years to support the Quran and the practice of the holy prophet Muhammad. hadith may be the words of the prophet but the Quran is the word of God and also the perfect words of the prophet. Quran is a much betetr word of the prophet. It definitely came out of the mouth of the prophet because he dictated it to the scribes.

Please google nadir and tell all that to that Nadir. Thanks**.

 

[jakasaki]

** jakasaki, Thanks for your post. nadir may be a new precious stone on the scene. I have nothing against him. But We have had lessons about Hadith for long time and told you all about it. I do not need to go to Nadir. But you can tell him from me that Hadith comes after the quran and Sunnah (in the third place). Hadith is to serve the Quran and Sunnah (The practice of the holy prophet). People were praying very well for more than 200 years without the books of Hadith. That was because they (in very large numbers) had practiced the way of the prophet by observation.

Later the books of Hadith were written after 200 years to support the Quran and the practice of the holy prophet Muhammad. hadith may be the words of the prophet but the Quran is the word of God and also the perfect words of the prophet. Quran is a much betetr word of the prophet. It definitely came out of the mouth of the prophet because he dictated it to the scribes.

Please google nadir and tell all that to that Nadir. Thanks**.

I have no reason to google or contact Nadir. He represents islam and not Christianity. And so far, he is loosing his debates.

And as far as the other dude you mentioned Ahmed Deeedat, well, he died in about 4 years ago and he was the biggest bigot against Christianity with his bogus speeches.

 

[planten]

I have no reason to google or contact Nadir. He represents islam and not Christianity. And so far, he is loosing his debates.

And as far as the other dude you mentioned Ahmed Deeedat, well, he died in about 4 years ago and he was the biggest bigot against Christianity with his bogus speeches.

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jakasaki, sure nadir will lose his debates if he is resting his arguments on the bundles of hadith. He must be standing on a mound of sand.

jakasaki, You are right. Ahmed Deedat was a great preacher against christianity. He died about 14 years ago (1996). He was born in 1918, I believe. This time you have given me a good laugh (bellyful) by your oppurtune use of the two words “bigot” and “bogus.” Thanks**.

 

[dzheremi]

According to his wikipedia page, Ahmed Deedat died in 2005. I frankly do not see anything impressive about the man. I have watched his debates on youtube and all I have to say is: How hard is it to win an argument against Jimmy Swaggart? Honestly…

 

[planten]

According to his wikipedia page, Ahmed Deedat died in 2005. I frankly do not see anything impressive about the man. I have watched his debates on youtube and all I have to say is: How hard is it to win an argument against Jimmy Swaggart? Honestly…

Yes, dzhereme, you are right about Deedat. He died in year 2005. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[dolphinlove]

** I never justified it. There are some good Hadith too. But you people try to take out false reports from Hadith. Hadith is man made as your bibleNT. Not all is correct. Not all is from God in those books. But still our books of Hadith are more reliable and useful than your bible.

BibleNT is not worth anything near our Hadith. Bible is just a story book or a very brief biography of a good man of God (Jesus). **.

because your in a minority muslim sect who does not believe in the hadiths, of course you would say this.
Your only defense against me is to try and beat down my beliefs, it doesnt get you anywhere.
You may attack the bible, but dont forget the true source of the quran, and it was NOT from God.

 

[jakasaki]

=planten;5151839]** I never justified it. There are some good Hadith too**. But you people try to take out false reports from Hadith.

Planten, are you in authority to point out the “good hadith” vs the “false reports from hadith”…???

 

[GraceDK]

Planten, are you in authority to point out the “good hadith” vs the “false reports from hadith”…???

Thats a very good question. I’ll be keeping an eye out for Planten’s answer so I can read the ahadith that he calls good.
I am studying Islam and what I read just yesterday was that Bukhari wrote/compiled a large number of Hadith that are now seen as most authoritarian of all hadith by the majority of the Muslims in the world. However, when I started to study them I again and again saw not only evil in them but also weird and ignorant stuff. If we stick to immoral part here is an example:
This tells three things: massacre, booty(what some would rightly call sex slaves because it does not matter if you have a ring on your finger if you become the wife of a monster who massacred your family) and polygami.

“Sahi **Buchari **Hadiths #143, page-700:
Sulaiman Ibne Harb…Aannas Ibne Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khayber after the inhabitants of Banu Nadir were surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives (Ghani mateer maal)… Among the captives Safiyya Bint Huyy Akhtab was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mahr.”
At first Dihyah al-Kalbi, a Muslim Jihadist asked for Safiyyah. But when Muhammad saw her exquisite beauty, he chose her for himself and gave her two cousins to Dihyah.”

 

[Sam_777]

Daanyaal;5125052:

In a hadeeth (saying) by Aisha she talks of the first time she was approached for marrige to the Prophet Muhammad by her parents. She tells us how the Prophet himself rejected the marrige proposal as he felt she was not mature enough to make a descision.

R_not already quoted the authentic hadith which shows Aisha doesn’t know about that marriage, if you have authentic source for your claim then present it else that would be considered an Islamic Taqiyya.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309:
“'A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah’s Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.”

صحيح مسلم - النكاح - تزويج الأب البكر الصغيرة:
تزوجني رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏لست سنين ‏ ‏وبنى بي ‏ ‏وأنا بنت تسع سنين قالت فقدمنا ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فوعكت ‏ ‏شهرا ‏ ‏فوفى ‏ ‏شعري ‏ ‏جميمة ‏ ‏فأتتني ‏ ‏أم رومان ‏ ‏وأنا على أرجوحة ومعي صواحبي فصرخت بي فأتيتها وما أدري ما تريد بي فأخذت بيدي فأوقفتني على الباب فقلت هه هه حتى ذهب نفسي فأدخلتني بيتا فإذا نسوة من ‏ ‏الأنصار ‏ ‏فقلن على الخير والبركة وعلى خير ‏ ‏طائر ‏ ‏فأسلمتني إليهن فغسلن رأسي وأصلحنني فلم ‏ ‏يرعني ‏ ‏إلا ورسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ضحى فأسلمنني إليه ‏
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Sam 777 i will get that Hadeeth for you.

Daanyaal, 7 days already!!!, and I’m still waiting your hadith .
Islamic Taqiyya is knocking on your door .

 

[planten]

Planten, are you in authority to point out the “good hadith” vs the “false reports from hadith”…???

Yes, any one can check Hadith in the light of the principles that have been told to you. But you have nothing to support your 4 gospels (which are really one gospel 4=1). I suppose the letters written by Saul of Tarsus are your Hadith. They are as bad as could be. You see the problem about Hadith. One has to be careful about the use of Muslims Hadith and about the use of the church Hadith i.e. the letters of Saul of Tarsus. They had complicated the true teachings of Jesus.

 

[Agabriel]

Yes, any one can check Hadith in the light of the principles that have been told to you. But you have nothing to support your 4 gospels (which are really one gospel 4=1). I suppose the letters written by Saul of Tarsus are your Hadith. They are as bad as could be. You see the problem about Hadith. One has to be careful about the use of Muslims Hadith and about the use of the church Hadith i.e. the letters of Saul of Tarsus. They had complicated the true teachings of Jesus.

Considering so much in Christianity is complicated to you, planten, I am not surprised that you think that the Gospels are complicated. Or that the hadiths are complicated. It is indeed complicated to have to defend the hadiths. It must really irritate you, or any Muslim, to have to defend what is said in them.

But, I will personally keep on using them since they, along with the Quran and other historical references give us a very, clear picture of what Muhammad was and what Islam is all about.

If you are unable to deal with the Gospels - so be it. To be fair you do stay away from the other threads dealing with Christianity, but you use them to try to bash us when we discuss Islam. And when you do this it only shows me that you have nothing.

 

[morning_star777]

Who said that Muhammed can’t divorce any of his wives!, please sisters and brothers be careful about some members here trying to deceive others by trying to find false workarounds for Muhammed actions.

In fact Muhammed had the right to divorce any of his wives, and indeed he did, per these Quranic verses:

(Quran 65:1) (This verse revealed when Muhammed divorced his wife “Hafsa”):
“O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately) their prescribed periods…”

(Quran 66:5):
“It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you, who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast, previously married or virgins.”

And he divorced “The daughter of Al-Jaun” permanently:

**صحيح البخاري
**حدثنا ‏ ‏الحميدي ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏الوليد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏الأوزاعي ‏ ‏قال سألت ‏ ‏الزهري ‏
‏أي أزواج النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏استعاذت منه ‏ ‏قال أخبرني ‏ ‏عروة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏رضي الله عنها ‏ ‏أن ‏ ‏ابنة ‏ ‏الجون ‏ ‏لما أدخلت على رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ودنا منها قالت أعوذ بالله منك فقال لها ‏ ‏لقد عذت بعظيم الحقي بأهلك ‏​

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 181:
“Narrated Al-Awza:
I asked Az-Zuhri, “Which of the wives of the Prophet sought refuge with Allah from him?” He said "I was told by 'Ursa that 'Aisha said, 'When the daughter of Al-Jaun was brought to Allah’s Apostle (as his bride) and he went near her, she said, “I seek refuge with Allah from you.” He said, "You have sought refuge with The Great; return to your family.”
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Hey my dear brother Sam,great post with evidences:hug1:.What a perfect punch to them,who are trying to deceive others by trying to find false workarounds for Muhammed actions!Carry on brother:thumbsup:.May Our lord Jesus always protect you my dear friend Sam.

 

[planten]

Hey my dear brother Sam,great post with evidences:hug1:.What a perfect punch to them,who are trying to deceive others by trying to find false workarounds for Muhammed actions!Carry on brother:thumbsup:.May Our lord Jesus always protect you my dear friend Sam.

**Sam_777 and morning_star, thanks for this timely help. You seem to be right. The prophet had every right to divorce his wives. But he never did it because it is the worst permissible thing in Islam and he did not want to set a bad example.

So if our prophet was allowed to divorce his wives, the Muslims are truly allowed to use divorce. It is not a forbidden item. Even in bibleNT it is not absolutely forbidden. There is such a wording that Divorce is forbidden except in the case of… So there is allowance to use divorce in christianity under some circumstances only, very rare circumstances**.

 

[severntofall]

dont forget, they justify their prophet having sex with a 9 year old. They will justify anything to ensure they can go on thinking their prophet is good in their eyes.

Moses urged his men to commit genocide and to enslave every virginal girl of the Midean population (the boys (virgin or not) were to be slaughtered). Mohammed was truely mad, but the Jewish prophets were amoung our species’ most evil members. They urged slaughter on a regular basis. Read the OT and compare their actions to Mohammed. If you do you’ll see that Mohammed comes out looking like a Quaker.

 

[severntofall]

** I never justified it. There are some good Hadith too. But you people try to take out false reports from Hadith. Hadith is man made as your bibleNT. Not all is correct. Not all is from God in those books. But still our books of Hadith are more reliable and useful than your bible.

BibleNT is not worth anything near our Hadith. Bible is just a story book or a very brief biography of a good man of God (Jesus). **.

You must be Shia then, because most of the reports come from the Sahih al-Bukhari hadiths, which no good Sunni would deny. You realize that since you are a Shia then the act of thighing a female child is perfectly permissible to for you.