Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[planten]

Zaki. Believe it or not I am not out to offend you. However, I do get frustrated when men, for any reason whatsoever, defends sexual assault of children. Thats something I cant stand. Drives me mad.

But we hope you are all okay for illicit sex that is going on in your people.

Jesus called the pharisees “graves”. He said the truth about them. They looked pious but they were evil and dirty in the hidden.

Yes we know that Jesus called the pharisees as tha white washed graves. That was good of him. He said many other good things too. But you people have made all those good things useless by your bad attitude towards Muhammad. Your intelligence is doubtful or your judgement is bad.

Jesus is about truth. He tells the sinners about their sins… thats why people are contrite and repentant when they meet Him, because He is LIGHT and HOLY and PURITY.

Again that is good. jesus was the light and the way while he was here and alive walking about. Those who followed him were also good. But when he left, there was only his good words which remained, if they had been preserved and not altered.

But when they meet Muhammad they run in fear and he is not acting worthy of a prophet… I am sorry. Sometimes the truth hurts. But why be angry at me… is it because its too dangerous for your peace of mind to get angry at Muhammad for all the cruel things he did? Think about it

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Please do not be sorry for us. be sorry for yourself for not understanding the good things. Satan is the Devil and the evil. Satan never came near Muhammad. So where is the evil?. You people have all made it up. There is no real evil.

My motive is to bring you to honest reflection… I am not doing any good at it… I see that. However.
Truly, you are called to be a son. not a slave…
Peace

Please come to the real terms. Do not use the word son unless it is real son. Symbolic son is alright or spiritual son is alright. Just calling yourself son or calling Jesus son or calling your Padres (preachers) fathers, that is the unmarried preachers, calling them fathers and calling the unmarried ladies at the church as mothers is a bad way. You have done it enough in the last few centuries. Now people are calling you to use some real terminology please.

 

[Sam_777]

As for Aisha, Muhammad had sex with her at 9. Thats sheer perversion. Call it what you will. hide you head in the sand, but such a sinner will not enter heaven unless he repents with a contrite and broken heart infront of the TRUE GOD.

Grace, where do you think he is right now, still dead till the judgment day, in purgatory, or already passed purgatory after almost 1400 years of his death?

By the way… if you have anything factual against the behaviour of Jesus… if you want to point out some time where you find Him incompassioate then show it to me… i will not be offended. because He is good…

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif or simply because He is YHWH’s Word…

 

[GraceDK]

But we hope you are all okay for illicit sex that is going on in your people.

ase.

Yes, I am sad to see the illicit sex that goes on both among the Danish people that I grew up with, the Chinese that i lived with for one year, and the Palestinians that I worked with for 5 months… of these three, the Palestinian Muslims were worst when it came to adultery in the open (among the men) and visiting prostitutes.
I am sad whereever I see fornication or adultery, phedofilia, polygamy, active homosexuality or other impurity. There is a big difference in people that fall one time into sin and come infront of God and people and say:" I am sorry I fell, I know I missed the point of love in my life and saddend God who created me for glory" and those who live in sin and dont know it is sin, because no one told them or they have no religion. the worst group is the ones who are hypocrites who either justify their sin or continue doing it although they should know better.

So you are right… I am sad about all these three kinds of sexual immorality. But you know what Planten? I am happy that my Jesus is pure and holy.
I would be sad if Muhammad was the one I was ordered to follow… he was a phedofile and a rapist and made himself impure with all his booty and his many wives… he lived his life in the violence of his flesh.

In the midst of human frailty I can rejoice because my King, Prophet and God is Holy and Pure and Loving. He is Compassion incarnated.
You must be sad because your prophet seems to be illicit sex incarnated. He was someone who objectified people and women… even the heaven he imagined was full of fleshy enjoyment, a haram of indulgence…

 

[Booklover]

**But we hope you are all okay for illicit sex that is going on in your people. **

If Muslims are so pious and chaste, why is it that most of the rapes committed in Europe are done by Muslim immigrants?

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Yes we know that Jesus called the pharisees as tha white washed graves. That was good of him. He said many other good things too. But you people have made all those good things useless by your bad attitude towards Muhammad. Your intelligence is doubtful or your judgement is bad.

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No, we have not made good into evil as you claim. We can tell the difference between the two, unlike Muslims who follow blindly the dictates of a man who redefined sin in order to make what is sinful appear good!

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Again that is good. jesus was the light and the way while he was here and alive walking about. Those who followed him were also good. But when he left, there was only his good words which remained, if they had been preserved and not altered.

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More Islamic lies!

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Please do not be sorry for us. be sorry for yourself for not understanding the good things. Satan is the Devil and the evil. Satan never came near Muhammad. So where is the evil?. You people have all made it up. There is no real evil.

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Yes, we feel sorry for you! By accepting and following a man like Muhammad who redefined sin, you have made yourself incapable of thinking for yourself. And yes, either Muhammad made the whole thing about the angel up, or it was Satan or another evil spirit who appeared to him. It was certainly not the Angel Gabriel!

Make no mistake about it! Evil does exist, and Satan is a master at lies and deception and a considerable antagonist.

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Please come to the real terms. Do not use the word son unless it is real son. Symbolic son is alright or spiritual son is alright. Just calling yourself son or calling Jesus son or calling your Padres (preachers) fathers, that is the unmarried preachers, calling them fathers and calling the unmarried ladies at the church as mothers is a bad way. You have done it enough in the last few centuries. Now people are calling you to use some real terminology please.

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As usual this is nothing but the nonsensical type of diatriabe that you love to post!

Vickie

 

[planten]

Mohamad claims to follow in the footsteps of the prophets

Mohamad is even told to follow the previous guidance and to confirm his message with the previous Scriptures

This means that his message must be consistent with the prophets that went before him.

The Holy Bible says that Jesus is the seal of revelation, and that all prophets that come after him must speak in his name or authority and preach the eternal Gospel of Christ

Since Mohamad contradicted the message of Christ, denying his divine sonship, his message is therefore not from the true God

**jakasaki, thanks for the news that Jesus is the seal of revelation. Could you support it from your bible (gospels)?? jesus is good but not God. God has no sons or daughters or family (wife etc). Come to the real terms please. Do not use loose terms. How can Jesus be the son of God and the God at the same time? And a prophet of God and a man and son of man at the same time??

Just like you do not like that Jesus have any son or daughter or brother or sister, we Muslism also do not like that God have any sons. Your system is not based on sound footing.

When we say that jesus had other brothers and sisters, you do not take that literally. When the word son of God comes, you take it as seriously literal. What is the matter with you people??**

 

[Booklover]

jakasaki, thanks for the news that Jesus is the seal of revelation. Could you support it from your bible (gospels)?? jesus is good but not God. God has no sons or daughters or family (wife etc). Come to the real terms please. Do not use loose terms. How can Jesus be the son of God and the God at the same time? And a prophet of God and a man and son of man at the same time??

Just like you do not like that Jesus have any son or daughter or brother or sister, we Muslism also do not like that God have any sons. Your system is not based on sound footing.

When we say that jesus had other brothers and sisters, you do not take that literally. When the word son of God comes, you take it as seriously literal. What is the matter with you people??

There is nothing the matter with us! I could ask the same of you! What is the matter with Muslims who cannot see that Muhammad was no role model and who made himself into a partner with God in order to be obeyed implicitly and to get away with anything he wanted to do? All you’ve done is display the complete ignorance you have about what Christianity teaches.

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

There is nothing the matter with us! I could ask the same of you! What is the matter with Muslims who cannot see that Muhammad was no role model and who made himself into a partner with God in order to be obeyed implicitly and to get away with anything he wanted to do? All you’ve done is display the complete ignorance you have about what Christianity teaches.

Vickie

Ahhh, but Vickie… he was a “role model” for them, that they they do everything he did…

Remember these passages from the koran…

“…**If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)…” **(Sura 3:31).

"Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).

Frankly, since all muslims do is complain… "it’s not in the koran… it’s not in the koran… you’re a liar… you’re a liar… but the majority of the islamic behaviours they do and perform as not in the koran. They are in the hadiths and the sunna.

Without these hadiths they wouldn’t know how to do anything.

The hadiths tell them how to eat, how to dress, how to wash, how to pray, how to go to the bathroom, how to wipe themselves, how to deal with apostates, how to believe, how to do wudu, everything about the woman’s “menses”… , what time to pray, how to act and move while you pray, food, meals… etc… etc…

And one of the funny things for me is this.

Muslims take pride that they don’t eat “pork” like the Christians do, and that the Jews don’t eat “pork”… so the Jews and muslims got it right with the “swine” deal.

But the kicker is, the Jews also don’t eat camel and lizard, but islamic muslims eat camel and lizard. Ironic - and hypocritical…

 

[Booklover]

Ahhh, but Vickie… he was a “role model” for them, that they they do everything he did…

Remember these passages from the koran…

“…**If you love Allah, then follow me (Mohammed)…” **(Sura 3:31).

"Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).

Frankly, since all muslims do is complain… "it’s not in the koran… it’s not in the koran… you’re a liar… you’re a liar… but the majority of the islamic behaviours they do and perform as not in the koran. They are in the hadiths and the sunna.

Without these hadiths they wouldn’t know how to do anything.

The hadiths tell them how to eat, how to dress, how to wash, how to pray, how to go to the bathroom, how to wipe themselves, how to deal with apostates, how to believe, how to do wudu, everything about the woman’s “menses”… , what time to pray, how to act and move while you pray, food, meals… etc… etc…

And one of the funny things for me is this.

Muslims take pride that they don’t eat “pork” like the Christians do, and that the Jews don’t eat “pork”… so the Jews and muslims got it right with the “swine” deal.

But the kicker is, the Jews also don’t eat camel and lizard, but islamic muslims eat camel and lizard. Ironic - and hypocritical…

Yep! “Allah” treats human beings like programmed robots.

Vickie

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

jakasaki, thanks for the news that Jesus is the seal of revelation. Could you support it from your bible (gospels)?? jesus is good but not God. God has no sons or daughters or family (wife etc). Come to the real terms please. Do not use loose terms. How can Jesus be the son of God and the God at the same time? And a prophet of God and a man and son of man at the same time??

You have done no research into Christian thinking. I’m sorry if this sounds crude and blunt, but from what you’ve just said, this is what is plain to see.

If you had studied serious Trinitarian thought, rather than just repeating what the imams and Koran tell you, you would see that Jesus is not a literal Son - otherwise, you believe what the Mormons do, which is that God came down and had literal sex with the Virgin Mary. He is the Son within the Trinity - He proceeds from the Father, and sent to be the Mediator of the new covenant (see my other responses to you, which I might add you seem to be ignoring). In the incarnation (Christ’s birth), God did not cease being deity, yet He took on a full humanity - He was both human and God (this is known as the hypostatic union).

Incidentally, if Christ never claimed deity, explain these passages:

Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [John 8:54-59]

Now Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house. Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.” Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die…” [John 11:20-26]

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. [John 17:5]

Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.” [Matthew 9:2]

In the latter passage, Christ gets in trouble by the pharisees, since only God can forgive sins. Mohammad would agree with this, since he taught a dua that asked God for forgiveness, for only God can forgive sins. Therefore, according to both the pharisees and Mohammad, if Jesus was merely a man, he was also a great sinner.

When we say that jesus had other brothers and sisters, you do not take that literally. When the word son of God comes, you take it as seriously literal. What is the matter with you people??

What’s the matter with us is we follow our scripture.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. [John 1:1-2]

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. [John 1:14]

 

[ZAKI]

There is nothing the matter with us! I could ask the same of you! What is the matter with Muslims who cannot see that Muhammad was no role model and who made himself into a partner with God in order to be obeyed implicitly and to get away with anything he wanted to do? All you’ve done is display the complete ignorance you have about what Christianity teaches.

Vickie

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

I posted this link up before but anyway…
Michael Hart (I think a jew or christian) had a set list of things that people had to do to be on his list. Nobody EXCEPT Muhammed (pbuh) had EVERY single thing ticked on Michael Hart’s set list. And that was why the book was so controversial and yet so great-Michael Hart was the such person to make an unbiased book on the top 100 (of which Muhammed (pbuh) ranked in as NO. 1!)

wasalam

 

[planten]

Yes, I am sad to see the illicit sex that goes on …
So you are right… I am sad about all these three kinds of sexual immorality. But you know what Planten? I am happy that my Jesus is pure and holy.

Yes, that is good.Jesus is pure and clean.

I would be sad if Muhammad was the one I was ordered to follow… he was a phedofile and a rapist and made himself impure with all his booty and his many wives… he lived his life in the violence of his flesh

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No, No, you should not go near Muhammad or Muslims. You are a sinner and sinful. They (Muhammad and the Muslims) are all better off without you.

In the midst of human frailty I can rejoice because my King, Prophet and God is Holy and Pure and Loving. He is Compassion incarnated.

Funny, one person, one man having multiple roles, such as King and prophet of God and God. Many roles. Multiple roles all at the same time. Allah u Akbar= God is the greatest..

You must be sad because your prophet seems to be illicit sex incarnated. He was someone who objectified people and women… even the heaven he imagined was full of fleshy enjoyment, a haram of indulgence…

**No, I am not sorry because I know my Prophet was the best man on earth. Some one wrote a book “100 Best men of the world”. He put our prophet Muhammad at number One on his list. So I am not sorry for anything.

Maurice Bucaile ( The Frenchman) wrote a book “Bible Science and Quran.” He told in that book that there was nothing unscientific in the Quran and there is nothing scientific in the bible. He explained beautifully many verses of the Quran.
I hope you will not be happy due to the bad news about Jesus and the bible.

The role of Jesus was limited to the welfare of the Jews. He was a stauch Jew. So was his mother Mary, a staunch Jewess. Please tell the world that Jesus had come only for the Jews (For the lost sheep of Israel.). They did not accept him and he had to go away suddenly, secretly and very quickly, never to come back for the two thousand (2000) years.**

 

[planten]

**
B W, thanks for your long post. I did not study Trinity because I am not a christian. But I read whatever is posted about Trinity. So far, no one has explained it well. Even some Catholics said that “It is Mystry.”, “It is unexplainable.”

Whatever you posted about John 8:54+ is good:

Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [John 8:54-59]**

There is nothing in the above lines to prove divinity of Jesus. See: If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word

It is all true. Jesus knows about God. God gave honor to Jesus. Where is divinity?
Even if Jesus said “Beore Abraham was, I am.” it only means that Abraham was before. I am now present. I cannot see any word of Jesus divinity in these words.

Pardon me.

 

[seraphime2008]

Maurice Bucaile ( The Frenchman) wrote a book “Bible Science and Quran.” He told in that book that there was nothing unscientific in the Quran and there is nothing scientific in the bible. He explained beautifully many verses of the Quran.
I hope you will not be happy due to the bad news about Jesus and the bible.

Well… Maurice B himself was not and never been convinced enough to convert to be Muslim.You really don’t know how Muslims are so gullible to buy such cheap research and nodding their heads off to get some self assurance over their low esteem. Please, with this kind of mentality, Muslims are easy targets of easy money…

No, I am not sorry because I know my Prophet was the best man on earth. Some one wrote a book “100 Best men of the world”. He put our prophet Muhammad at number One on his list. So I am not sorry for anything.

Another hogwash…if the criteria was the most damaging person that influenced or have molded an unsafe world, then he did match it…!

The role of Jesus was limited to the welfare of the Jews. He was a stauch Jew. So was his mother Mary, a staunch Jewess. Please tell the world that Jesus had come only for the Jews (For the lost sheep of Israel.). They did not accept him and he had to go away suddenly, secretly and very quickly, never to come back for the two thousand (2000) years.

Fortunately with Christian being spread all over the world, people should not worried that their cultural identity should be put at stake, whilst with Muslims Arabization, people should worry that whatever cultural identity they have, has to be replaced with Arab way of life.
Arab mentality of not being able to see harmony in differences, will think that the best way of doing anything even the superficial thing, should be based on so called rules and regulations of Islam. Pathetic…!

Sorry Planten…with your kind of attitude I can’t help responding the way you do…

 

[ZAKI]

Well… Maurice B himself was not and never been convinced enough to convert to be Muslim.You really don’t know how Muslims are so gullible to buy such cheap research and nodding their heads off to get some self assurance over their low esteem. Please, with this kind of mentality, Muslims are easy targets of easy money…

Another hogwash…if the criteria was the most damaging person that influenced or have molded an unsafe world, then he did match it…!

Actually the last thing was not a hogwash (but I dont know about the first). It is a well known book called: the 100 most influential by Michael Hart in which Muhammed (pbuh) was placed first and Jesus (pbuh) was placed third.

wasalam

 

[seraphime2008]

ZAKI; 5363968:

Actually the last thing was not a hogwash (but I dont know about the first). It is a well known book called: the 100 most influential by Michael Hart in which Muhammed (pbuh) was placed first and Jesus (pbuh) was placed third.

Well, I remember reading the book bout 15 years ago…such an old book that you have to keep holding on to make yourself assured that you must be following a real prophet. From what I can remember about it, the book just showed how a man can achieve great “influence” over the world regardless the kind of influence it really is. I myself think that Muhammad was indeed a brain, had all the ability to do all those manipulative things to deceive many men. Jesus was put third because He wasn’t putting all the humanly effort Himself to build the religion of Christian, but indeed the raising of Christian from the religion of minority and the low class into a religion of a Kingdom was a miracle performed by the active works of God as in Trinity in human history.

 

[GraceDK]

Actually the last thing was not a hogwash (but I dont know about the first). It is a well known book called: the 100 most influential by Michael Hart in which Muhammed (pbuh) was placed first and Jesus (pbuh) was placed third.

wasalam

100 most influential? Well, Muhammad surely qualifies for such a list. However, as a matter of fact he would be at least a few numbers below Christ. I think we all realise that, unless we want to argue against the fact. Christianity is the biggest and oldest of the two religions. Also the moral inadequacy of Muhammad compared to Christ, is something that would place these two persons on different lists.

At any rate… I dont give anything for these lists… products of personal taste.

 

[ZAKI]

100 most influential? Well, Muhammad surely qualifies for such a list. However, as a matter of fact he would be at least a few numbers below Christ. I think we all realise that, unless we want to argue against the fact. Christianity is the biggest and oldest of the two religions. Also the moral inadequacy of Muhammad compared to Christ, is something that would place these two persons on different lists.

At any rate… I dont give anything for these lists… products of personal taste.

No, he was a few numbers ABOVE jesus (pbuh).
Therefore we should follow hinduism because it is older than christianity, or we can wait a few more years for islam (prediction is 2025 approx) takes over as the largest religion.

wasalam

 

[GraceDK]

No, he was a few numbers ABOVE jesus (pbuh).
Therefore we should follow hinduism because it is older than christianity, or we can wait a few more years for islam (prediction is 2025 approx) takes over as the largest religion.

wasalam

Seems you misunderstood my post.
I did not deny that Michael Hart chose Muhammad on on his personal list of influential people, nor that he put him on top. I dont know what criteria he used. All i say is that if it was about who made most influence on people throughout history with the most positive message and who remains the biggest person in world history, he would have to place Christ on top. Simply as a matematical and historical fact.

All this being said. Michael Hart is unknown to me. Since he is a guy who made such a list, its no wonder to me that I havent heard of him, because he is no intellectual light…

 

[GraceDK]

No, he was a few numbers ABOVE jesus (pbuh).
Therefore we should follow hinduism because it is older than christianity, or we can wait a few more years for islam (prediction is 2025 approx) takes over as the largest religion.

wasalam

what it all comes down to is that Muhammad was evil and Jesus was good. Thats the trouble of Islam.
Also… its no coincidence that Islam still has many followers and they become more… its a demographic fact. People become Christians because of sincere reflected conviction, miracles etc. Muslims are born as such by muslims who have many children in backward and undemocratic countries.

While the Islamic countries are forced to get educated, more and more people leave their tribal warlord-prophet and choose Jesus because they will have knowlege. Why do you think that Christians are severely persecuted in Muslim lands… even in sharia S-Arabia you are not allowed to have a Bible,… its because Christ is stronger than evil… and evil trembles before him. Islam is so afraid of scrutiny that it rather kills its opponents and the people that leave it. Like Muhammad said… The one who changed his religion. kill him!

yeah… some prophet.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

B W, thanks for your long post. I did not study Trinity because I am not a christian.

Then you just admitted willful ignorance of the subject you’re discussing. If I had mentioned at any point during these debates, “I did not study the Koran because I am not a Muslim,” every Muslim on this forum would be all over me and lose every respect for my opinion. And they’d have every right to. You don’t enter a debate and then admit that you didn’t study the topic you’re arguing against.

But I read whatever is posted about Trinity. So far, no one has explained it well. Even some Catholics said that “It is Mystry.”, “It is unexplainable.”

Read patristics. Also, people say God is a mystery because we cannot fully understand God - no one can. Even Jews and Muslims believe this, so I do not understand why Muslims keep bringing this up as if it were weird theology.

Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [John 8:54-59]

There is nothing in the above lines to prove divinity of Jesus. See: If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word

It is all true. Jesus knows about God. God gave honor to Jesus. Where is divinity?
Even if Jesus said “Beore Abraham was, I am.” it only means that Abraham was before. I am now present. I cannot see any word of Jesus divinity in these words.

I’m sorry, but you’re presenting misguided exegesis. Christ’s use of “I AM” (or the original Greek ego eimi) is a direct reference to God’s use of " I AM" to Moses in Exodus 3:14. It was a reference to God’s eternal nature - God is never “was” but only “is,” because He has always existed. This is why Christ says, “Before Abraham was…” then jumps to the present tense. BEFORE Abraham was, I am. Not THEN Abraham was, now I am, as you wrongfully propose, but BEFORE Abraham was. If you study the original Greek, the language is especially clear. Christ is speaking of His existence before Abraham was, and uses a title that before had solely been used by God. Either Christ was divine, or He needed to study His grammar again.

Also, please respond to the other passages I presented, which you’ve ignored.