Are Muslims really the people of the Book?

[inJESUS]

you can call them whatever you want. Fact is, they wrote about Abraham in details. How come they did not mention such a huge fact as building God’s house?? such a fact cannot pass “incognito”…

Arabs highly educated people!!! Almost every body was illiterate for Gdos sake !!! The reason the story is Islamic tradition only is because Islam encompasses arab tradition . Because all saudi arabs are Muslims!!! and christians and jews never came to arabia untill thousands of years after abraham so they have no claim to say they witnessed anything !!! They came to the place full of arab s already

. well writing Arabic did not start with Muhammad…and Arabs were great poets as well…am not sure about “having” to go Mecca to witness anything. They already talked about Abraham and Ishmael a lot. It is IMPOSSIBLE that such a huge fact was not circulated, known, written, orally transmitted then written, you name it. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABRAHAM BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE!!. It simply CANNOT pass incognito. Neither Abraham nor ANYONE mentioned it.
Does anyone understand my point??

Besides why do you need to documet it while its STANDING INFRONT O>F YOUR EYES AND PEOPLE ARE IN CONSENSUS that ABRAHAM BUILT IT!!

then why write about Abraham in the first place since people knew about him? flawed argument i guess. Building God’s house is not a “light” matter…why did he build it? how? what did he want to do with it? what did he want people to do with it? what are his teachings regarding this house? what is to be done in this house?? NOTHING MENTIONED IS THIS POSSIBLE ABOUT GOD’S HOUSE??

Its like a Judge aasking for witnesses when the crime happened before his pown eyes!!!

Well many things were known yet recorded. Building the temple for example…everyone knew about it yet documented it and it’s purpose.

The others are Orientalists who love bashing islam and are heavily from the time of colonialism!!! Give me a break!!! They Quote the Bible to discredit Islam!!!

who said they quote the Bible? what kinda historian is this who looks at the Bible only? if the Bible refutes the Quranic claim ( or is it ahadith?), and NO OTHER EVIDENCE is there from ANYWHERE neither in scripture nor archeology, then the historian’s task is completed and the burden of proof is on people who give a different truth than the Bible and who can’t present proof. None of these historians found any proof…am pretty sure they know their job…that’s why they are called historians : they trace history…history is againt the islamic claim as simple as this.

The OT isnt the Master book on everything.

agree, HOWEVER BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE IS NOT SOMETHING TO PASS HUSH HUSH.

Besides many have proved inconsistencies in the OT stories but poeople wouldnt listen !!!

like what? maybe we can ask learned Jews about it?

 

[meedo]

we are talking about a book written BEFORE Muhammad was born by hundreds if not thousands of years. NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF SUCH A GREAT THING AS BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE!!! hundreds and thousands of scriptures, divine and not divine, historical and none historical, HUNDREDS OF RABBINAL WRITINGS, NOTHING MENTIONS THE BUILDING OF ABRAHAM neither in divine books nor historical books!!! IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS NO ONE WROTE OF ABRAHAM BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE??? WHERE ARE THE JEWS??? WHERE ARE NON-JEWS??? WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?? IT’S ABRAHAM BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE !!!

There is no recording whatsoever of the Temple before david construct it !!! All what God talked about to the jews was the Holy land and not the Temple!!! That doesnt mean that the Temple would not be there some time !!! Hec the Israel couldnt keep their own Temple from destruction!!! Would god Gove them the responsibility of another !!! The other Temple had another nation waiting to carry the Path of God after israel Failed . The sign of their faliure was the destruction of their temple !!! As It is said in the OT!!!

I tell you AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE NON JEWS IN ARABIA ARE TEH ARAB AND TEH MUSLIMS OF TODAY!!! THEY ALLL witness that this house was always knon to be the House of God BUILT BY ABRAHAM why do you discredit their witness and want only Jews to witness. JEWS DIDNT SCATTER AROUND UNTILL THOUSANDS OF YEARS AFTER ABRAHAM BUILT IT AND AFTER ISHAMEL MARRIED THERE AND LIVED THERE AND HAD SONS AND TRIBES!!! How would the Jews know ANYTHING ABOUT IT They even couldnt keep their OWN TEMPLE >FOR GODS SAKE!!!

Your Historians are wanna be historians. One of them is a muslim linguist who isnt by any means a historian!! The others are some sort of Orientalists that have never even visited the place!!! Not to mention they are firmly christian!!!

Non Muslims recorded Nothing because they BECAME MUSLIMS!!! Is it Islam fault that people became Muslims!!!

AGAIN AND AGAIN , show me their proof !!

 

[meedo]

inJesus, you are coming up with some high powered info here. This is a keeper.

This high powered info is a buch of Misinformation by wanna be historians who are either Biased orientalists in the Hight of colonialist times or a heretic larab linguistic who is no way a historian and niether can bring any proof of his claim .

This post is just dead hoax

 

[meedo]

Meedo, there are many ahadith that prove my point…i just quoted one…anyway, am not of those who believe Muhammad was pagan. The book explains this as well.

I just showe d you that your only hadeeth didnt prove any of what you wanted to prove even remotely!! I even shoed you cutting and pasting from it !!! Quote the other hadeeth and i will reply .

 

[inJESUS]

what history? islamic history? what about the thousand years before islamic history? am not saying that ONLY islamic history is wrong per se, but my point is that Abraham belonged to OTHER than Muslims and NO ONE recorded him building God’s house ! it’s just IMPOSSIBLE.

No there is no spirit dwels no where

So what is the purpose of bowing to that direction? a commandmant wassalam?

 

[inJESUS]

I just showe d you that your only hadeeth didnt prove any of what you wanted to prove even remotely!! I even shoed you cutting and pasting from it !!! Quote the other hadeeth and i will reply .

i deleted what you thought i did not quote because it’s not there in the Arabic version as far as i know…so i didnt want to look like adding stuff…yes i can show other ahadith but i really don’t care cuz, like you, i don;'t believe he was pagan

 

[meedo]

you can call them whatever you want. Fact is, they wrote about Abraham in details. How come they did not mention such a huge fact as building God’s house?? such a fact cannot pass “incognito”…

. It simply CANNOT pass incognito. Neither Abraham nor ANYONE mentioned it.
Does anyone understand my point??

then why write about Abraham in the first place since people knew about him? flawed argument i guess. Building God’s house is not a “light” matter…why did he build it? how? what did he want to do with it? what did he want people to do with it? what are his teachings regarding this house? what is to be done in this house?? NOTHING MENTIONED IS THIS POSSIBLE ABOUT GOD’S HOUSE??
Well many things were known yet recorded. Building the temple for example…everyone knew about it yet documented it and it’s purpose.

who said they quote the Bible? what kinda historian is this who looks at the Bible only? if the Bible refutes the Quranic claim ( or is it ahadith?), and NO OTHER EVIDENCE is there from ANYWHERE neither in scripture nor archeology, then the historian’s task is completed and the burden of proof is on people who give a different truth than the Bible and who can’t present proof. None of these historians found any proof…am pretty sure they know their job…that’s why they are called historians : they trace history…history is againt the islamic claim as simple as this.

agree, HOWEVER BUILDING GOD’S HOUSE IS NOT SOMETHING TO PASS HUSH HUSH.

like what? maybe we can ask learned Jews about it?

islam wrote about Abraham in detail too. Doiesnt mean that i have to detail the solomon temple!! hwat a Logic!!!

Who said that Building Gods house wasnt somthing important !! ewhat you fail to understand that there is a difference between bieng a poet and bieng able to read and write!!! Most of arabs were illiterate !!! The sky is blue. IU dont need to write an essay about IT!!! For them thats how the consensus about what and who build the house of God was!!! Its too comon knwoledge to expe3ct that one would question it!!!

same is the Kaba is documented and its purpose. whats your problem?

Prood is in consensus of people. There is no single proof that there were ever a solomon temple on the temple mount either !! NONE!!! Yet the kaba still exists and all people who live and lived around it know its hystory from their fathers and foe fathers dating thousands of years befroe muhammed with no exception. All of them have the consensus on who built it and where and why and how .

salam

 

[meedo]

what history? islamic history? what about the thousand years before islamic history? am not saying that ONLY islamic history is wrong per se, but my point is that Abraham belonged to OTHER than Muslims and NO ONE recorded him building God’s house ! it’s just IMPOSSIBLE.

The reason is that above the Kaba is Gods throne.

Well God had a mission for the people of israel that they already failed doing . and it included only ONE temple !! I guess he already knew and so didnt just want to make things messy for them!!!

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;1515035:

There is no recording whatsoever of the Temple before david construct it !!! All what God talked about to the jews was the Holy land and not the Temple!!! That doesnt mean that the Temple would not be there some time !!! Hec the Israel couldnt keep their own Temple from destruction!!! Would god Gove them the responsibility of another !!! The other Temple had another nation waiting to carry the Path of God after israel Failed . The sign of their faliure was the destruction of their temple !!! As It is said in the OT!!!

Meedo what is it you fail to understand? Abraham did not belong to Arabs alone . He existed thousands of years before Islam said he built the Kaaba…Abraham building God’s house is not something scripture would neglect…we are not talking about him having dinner here are we?? it is building God’s house for Christ’s sake !! the Bible says a thousand thing about him and his wife and his sons. How come such a great even is not recorded neither in Torah, not Talmud nor any other scripture or interpretation before Islam? it just does not make sense.

 

[Damascus]

Is there really 360 Idols inside that Kaaba?

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;1515283:

The reason is that above the Kaba is Gods throne.

ohhhh come on !! conspiracy theory ??? God knew some Jews will reject the Messiah and plot to kill him yet they prophecised about him !! i can give a thousand example of God giving commandments that people failed to do…that’s no excuse…:tsktsk:

 

[inJESUS]

Meedo, think logically. If Abraham build God’s house, and if this was an oral tradition known by all people, then HOW COME , amongst the thousands of people who wrote Torah, Talmud and other Jewish scriptures, the NT, the Church Fathers, The Jews and Christians living in Arabia, historians, ANYONE, how come not a single human being even mentioned it??? HOW COME JESUS THE MESSIAH DID NOT MENTION IT? HOW COME NO HUMAN BEING MENTIONED IT EVEN EN PASSANT??? you know what en passant means?? not even en passant is it mentioned ! not once did any of Jesus’ apostles mention it…not Jesus, not Moses, not anyone !!! if all people already knew about it, then it’s impossible that no human being recorded it for THOUSANDS of years.

And no, saying that God “concealed” the truth holds no water cuz it was already built and no human being recorded such a great event…it was not a prophecy, it was a fact as Muslims say…a fact that no one ever heard of.

 

[inJESUS]

Quran came AFTER it. Not everything in Quran is mentioned like in the Bible…often the Quran LACKS THE DETAILS OF BIBLICAL PASSAGES. yet Abraham building God’s house is mentioned nowhere before Islam…again, we are not talking about having dinner but about BUILDING GODS HOUSE. The Torah is 3 times the lengh of Quran YET HAS NO SUCH IDEA. The Jewish scriptures other than Torah have nothing of the like…now here we are having scriptures that are 10 times the length of Quran…it’s the other way round Meedo…there are many details lacking in Quran than only refering to the Bible gives the fuller idea.

Who said that Building Gods house wasnt somthing important !! ewhat you fail to understand that there is a difference between bieng a poet and bieng able to read and write!!! Most of arabs were illiterate !!! The sky is blue. IU dont need to write an essay about IT!!! For them thats how the consensus about what and who build the house of God was!!! Its too comon knwoledge to expe3ct that one would question it!!!

Meedo !! it’s NOT about the Arabs !! if it’s a common knowlege as you said, EVEN ORALLY, then how come it is mentioned nowhere by no person not even en passant?? Building God’s house will circulate pretty fast amongst all people who know who Abraham is !!! then how come , again, no one even mentioned it?? not even Moses or Jesus or Isaiah or Daniel !!! no one and these were PROPHETS!!

same is the Kaba is documented and its purpose. whats your problem?

is documented were??? in islamic tradition !! the building happened THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE IT. SO HOW COME NO BODY KNEW ABOUT ITS PURPOSE? HOW COME NO HUMAN BEING KNEW WHAT THIS HOUSE IS ABOUT? HOW COME NO HUMAN BEING TALKED ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS HOUSE? HOW COME NO HUMAN BEING ASKED ABRAHAM ABOUT ITS PURPOSE? IF IT HAS A RELIGION PURPOSE, HOW COME NO HUMAN BEING DOCUMENTED IT OR SAID WHAT IS TO BE DONE IN THERE OR WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING??

 

[fin]

why are the arabs mad at the jews, anyway? they are envious of the jews because they’re chosen? or are they mad because the ancestor was born out of wedlock? or maybe because they’re more good looking?