Are my views and beliefs heretical?

[nobeerinheaven]

I have a question for people saying his beliefs are not heretical: *If he thinks that NFP is immoral, and the Church believes it is morally permissible, and he is not willing to submit to the Church’s authority on that matter - how is that any different from being an modalist or an arian, dissenting from the Church on the trinity, and being unwilling to submit? *

Heresy is defined as a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas - these include the dogmas of the trinity, as well as dogmas on sexual morality. He is, indeed, heretical on this point.

 

[sphilomena]

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
• I believe there should not be altar girls.
• I believe in Limbo.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)

So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

Some have said these are just opinions of yours, but there are a couple that have to do with Church teaching. For example: to be a Freemason is NOT allowed. Check out the encyclical on it. Another: we are always to have the option of anonymous confession, regardless how many “reconciliation rooms” there are.
Just my :twocents:.

 

[Mister_De]

I have a question for people saying his beliefs are not heretical: *If he thinks that NFP is immoral, and the Church believes it is morally permissible, and he is not willing to submit to the Church’s authority on that matter - how is that any different from being an modalist or an arian, dissenting from the Church on the trinity, and being unwilling to submit? *

Heresy is defined as a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas - these include the dogmas of the trinity, as well as dogmas on sexual morality. He is, indeed, heretical on this point.

I’m pretty sure Saint Augustine would have my back when it comes to NFP. As would Saint Jerome and Saint Clement. Just saying.

 

[pnewton]

Some have said these are just opinions of yours, but there are a couple that have to do with Church teaching. For example: to be a Freemason is NOT allowed.

But to say they worship Satan is not Church teaching.

 

[pnewton]

I’m pretty sure Saint Augustine would have my back when it comes to NFP. As would Saint Jerome and Saint Clement. Just saying.

Well, that would be a whole new thread now, wouldn’t it. I know on the issue Pope John Paul II “has my back.”

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

I’m pretty sure Saint Augustine would have my back when it comes to NFP. As would Saint Jerome and Saint Clement. Just saying.

If these are standards you hold for yourself – I will never receive communion in my hand or I will never use NFP – I think you’re fine.

If you think the Church is somehow deficient because she allows NFP and communion in the hand, then I’d say that’s a problem. Someone who uses NFP and receives communion in the hand may not live according to your preferences, but is living according to Church teaching.

 

[Mister_De]

If these are standards you hold for yourself – I will never receive communion in my hand or I will never use NFP – I think you’re fine.

If you think the Church is somehow deficient because she allows NFP and communion in the hand, then I’d say that’s a problem. Someone who uses NFP and receives communion in the hand may not live according to your preferences, but is living according to Church teaching.

Fair enough.

 

[thistle]

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
• I believe there should not be altar girls.
• I believe in Limbo.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)

So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

None of your views are heretical although you have listed many that I disagree with.

 

[CapIV]

there is no limbo.

 

[rpp]

My responses are in red.

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays. Agree.
• I believe there should not be altar girls. Agree.
• I believe in Limbo. Not a matter of faith. One can believe or not.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary. Personal preference. I like the Liturgy of the Hours.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers. Absolutely! No sexual deviants in these important positions.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it. Yep. And “Catholic” should still be excommunicated fro joining it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass. Hmm… Tricky. How does one account for different cultural norms?
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism. Again, personal preference.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial. I am not a big fan either, but I do not understand why the Church taught against this.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation. The Church has never taught that the sole purpose of the marital act is procreation. It is also for marital unity and legitimate pleasure within a marriage. NFP can also be used to help conceive a child, it works both ways.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos. Agree.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga. Agree.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism. Agree. But personal preference.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?) I like the Latin Vulgate of St. Jerome.
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand. Don’t talk to the hand! . Use the tongue.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room. Personal preference. I have a bad knee and it is difficult or impossible to kneel sometimes.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day. It is the feast day of St. Cyril.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal) Agree. But only to encourage the reverence of the alter and sanctuary.
  So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

But then you knew all this to begin with. What is the point here?

Remember there are teaching which are not part of the Deposit of Faith, like priestly celibacy or praying the rosary. Not praying the rosary or desiring a married priesthood for Latin Rite priests do not, in an of themselves, make a person a bad Catholic.

 

[bookish]

I disagree with you on limbo, NFP, tattoos, and cremation. But I think these are non-issues for the most part. I don’t see any form of heresy that can come out of believing that way on those things.

 

[graceandglory]

NFP is open to the act of pro-creation - it is not immoral.

Homosexual priests,nuns or teachers are perfectly fine as long as they hold fast to the Church’s teachings on sexuality. .

Wrong.
Homosexuality is a disorder according to the Church. Unfortunately, many seminaries let homosexuals through in the past. The Church isn’t yet ready to “divorce” those who choose to stay in their vocation and remain celibate. We are still trying to fix the mess that we are presently in due to this “oversight.”

Our Church doesn’t need disordered priests and nuns. Holding fast to the Church’s teaching on celibacy and chastity requires sexual wholeness and integrity. Homosexuals by definition are not sexually integrated. They are not healthy in that respect and should not be ordained. Seminaries today are getting wise to this fact.

More on this in: The Courage to be Chaste by Fr. Benedict Groeschel.

 

[graceandglory]

*]I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP)The purpose of sex is pro-creation.

Hi Mister De:
Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums.

Have you read Humane Vitae?
Have you read much by Pope John Paul II?
In this letter by PJPII, called “Responsible Parenthood,” the Holy Father explains the licit, ie: holy purposes of NFP
You might find that you agree with the Church’s teaching on NFP. The Church teaches that NFP is never to be used for selfish purposes. It would be a morally correct choice to avoid conception if the mother’s life is in danger, or if the mother is going insane because she has so many children she didn’t know what to do. All NFP is, is exercising ABSTINENCE when a woman is most fertile, and thus preventing conception. Abstinence is virtuous. Having as much sex as you possibly can, and ignoring your wife’s fertility, and thus having more children than you can care for is not responsible. Not abstaining from sex when your wife is fertile, and you know that she could die if she got pregnant, isn’t loving, it is using. The opposite of love is using someone as an object for your desires.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
• I believe there should not be altar girls.
• I believe in Limbo.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)

So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

Not heretical. In fact I agree with most of your statements.

NFP and cremation with a proper burial are now allowed and under some limited circumstances are even desirable.
NFP is used to create life in some cases.
Cremation allows for more Catholics to be buried in a smaller space and thus leaves more room for the living. In some of the older cities and towns space for cemeteries is no longer available.

 

[Digitonomy]

Some have said these are just opinions of yours, but there are a couple that have to do with Church teaching…we are always to have the option of anonymous confession, regardless how many “reconciliation rooms” there are.
Just my :twocents:.

Anonymous confession is not a teaching of the Church, it is merely a current discipline. The Church could issue new rules requiring all confessions be face-to-face, or in front of the congregation. Wouldn’t be very wise, but neither would it be contrary to Church teaching.

 

[otjm]

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
• I believe there should not be altar girls.
• I believe in Limbo.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)

So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

Your belief that NFP is immoral is not in line with the official teachings of the Church. I don’t know that I would say that it is directly heretical; but since the Church posits that the Holy Spirit guides the Church in issues of Faith and Morals, and since the Church has spoken as to the morality of NFP, I would say that you are at least implying that the Church in so teaching, is teaching something that is immoral. That seems to run contrary to the belief of the Church that when it teaches about Morals, that the Holy Spirit guides it in truth.

 

[rpp]

Hi Mister De:
Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums.

Have you read Humane Vitae?
Have you read much by Pope John Paul II?
In this letter by PJPII, called “Responsible Parenthood,” the Holy Father explains the licit, ie: holy purposes of NFP
You might find that you agree with the Church’s teaching on NFP. The Church teaches that NFP is never to be used for selfish purposes. It would be a morally correct choice to avoid conception if the mother’s life is in danger, or if the mother is going insane because she has so many children she didn’t know what to do. All NFP is, is exercising ABSTINENCE when a woman is most fertile, and thus preventing conception. Abstinence is virtuous. Having as much sex as you possibly can, and ignoring your wife’s fertility, and thus having more children than you can care for is not responsible. Not abstaining from sex when your wife is fertile, and you know that she could die if she got pregnant, isn’t loving, it is using. The opposite of love is using someone as an object for your desires.

Nicely done!

 

[StevenFrancis]

Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…

• I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
• I believe there should not be altar girls.
• I believe in Limbo.
• I believe you should pray the Rosary.
• I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
• I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
• I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
• I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
• I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
• I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
• I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
• I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
• I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
• I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
• I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
• I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
• I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
• I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)

So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?

Hi:

I don’t think that limbo is dogma, or an official article of faith. It is my understanding that it has not been adequately supported for dogmatic declaration and is a teaching still open to theological debate and discussion until, (and if), the Church declares on it one way or another. Anyway…to believe it (or not), is not heresy either way, in my understanding. I believe the same is true for some of your other statements of preferences.

While I don’t believe any of these statement are “heretical”. There may be a couple that are not fully grounded or supported in the magesterially current Canon Law and or GIRM and CCC. Many of these statements could inspire theologically healthy discourse among various, fully valid, believing Catholics. Do you already know whether any of these statements are heretical or not? Are you implying that to follow currently taught Catholocism IS heretical, perhaps? If so, would you point me to some of the official teachings on these things? I’m a convert (2 years ago, on Easter), and am still doing a lot of study. I appreciate knowing the backgrounds on controversial topics. Not so much between Protestants and Catholics, or Catholics and Orthodox. I’m clearer on some of those, but I’m still a long way from understanding friction between traditionalist and Vatican II Catholics. If I had been a Catholic all my life, I would only have been 5 years old when the changes of Vatican II took place, so it would STILL be all I ever knew. Anyway…thanks for sharing these. If nothing else, this consolidated listing puts a lot of issues in one place, as I study some of the divisions in our own Church.

Peace to you,

Steven

 

[graceandglory]

I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.

Which Saint Valentine?

 

[otjm]

I’m pretty sure Saint Augustine would have my back when it comes to NFP. As would Saint Jerome and Saint Clement. Just saying.

Neither St. Augustine, St. Jerome nor St. Clement are the existing Magisterium of the Church. Were they part of the existing magisterium, they would also hold that NFP is permissible, as they would uphold the teaching authority of the Church which resides in the Holy Father and is exercised by the bishops in union with him.

Pretty sure is a poor excuse for ignoring the teaching authority of the Church. It may well be that you do not understand the reasoning behind the Church’s approval of NFP, and that is fine. What is not fine is presuming that you are more knowledgable than the Church when it exercises its God given authority to teach matters of morals.