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Brenda_V
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You can send them here. They will fit right in. Our Priests will wear a cassock every so often including our 52 year old Monsignor who is our Pastor!
Are newly ordained priests (within last 10 years) really more orthodox?
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Spiller
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One of the single best celebrants of the Mass is an elderly monsignor with a bright mind and the resolve to do things right and preach on tough subjects…
One of the more negative celebrants is a man who has been ordained for about two years. He’s now a secular priest but he was a religious brother for about 25 years prior to that…
One of the more negative celebrants is a man who has been ordained for about two years. He’s now a secular priest but he was a religious brother for about 25 years prior to that…
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Lepanto
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But keep in mind that newish associate priests may be ordered by their pastor (or even their bishop) to refrain from preaching about certain topics, or from the wearing of cassocks, etc.They may be pressured explicitly or implicitly.
Many of these young priests may be suffering greatly (and siIently) under their superiors. It would be very telling to see what they would do if they had the freedom to do it.
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quiet52
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And then maybe not. I think it’s inappropriate to generalize.
My pastor (long-term priest) may never wear a cassock, but is kinder, and more orthodox in his homilies and liturgical practice, than one of the younger cassock-clad priests who help us.
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peary
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My experience has been, about halfway through the pontificate of John Paul II, priests coming out of seminaries have been either more moderate or conservative (meaning, traditional - having respect for the traditions of the Church and encouraging people to have the same respect). Priests coming from other countries are certainly more traditional in their perspective of the Church; priests ordained in our country today (USA) seem to be moderate, for the most part, but not liberal in the sense of all sorts of experiments being conducted on the Liturgy or variance in Church teaching.
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idrum677
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My pastor has been a priest 40 years and is very orthodox with the liturgy. We use Latin in the contest of the Mass and he is not afraid to talk about the tough topics in his homilies.
He is however, a rarity in in his generation in this diocese. I do find, however, that the younger priests are much more traditional thatn their predecesors.
I’m playing a first Mass for a newly ordained priest later this month and was very impressed with his selection of music and his use of the Latin Mass setting.
He is however, a rarity in in his generation in this diocese. I do find, however, that the younger priests are much more traditional thatn their predecesors.
I’m playing a first Mass for a newly ordained priest later this month and was very impressed with his selection of music and his use of the Latin Mass setting.
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Eric_Olsen
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It does seem to be the trend that the younger ones are more orthodox. I have read somewhere that the 46-70 yo priests are in sort of a dilemma with the younger priests and tend to clash with them.
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JimR-OCDS
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The few new priest I’ve met, aren’t any more orthodox than older priest, but in fact, seem to lack knowledge about Saints and spirituality, than older priest.
However, I’ll do my best to help bring them up to speed.
Jim
However, I’ll do my best to help bring them up to speed.
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peary
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It’s called the “generation gap” and it happens everywhere, not just in the priesthood.
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JimR-OCDS
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Well the younger gun-ho priest in my dioceses, usually end up at the large city parishes.
After about 10 years in the priesthood, after they begin to realize that the priesthood isn’t like in the movie “Going My Way,” and after they’ve grown in wisdom, they’re transfered out into the small suburb parishes like mine.
BTW, how does wearing a cassock make a priest more orthodox than one who doesn’t? After all, it could be pride that leads younger priest to wear them.
Jim
After about 10 years in the priesthood, after they begin to realize that the priesthood isn’t like in the movie “Going My Way,” and after they’ve grown in wisdom, they’re transfered out into the small suburb parishes like mine.
BTW, how does wearing a cassock make a priest more orthodox than one who doesn’t? After all, it could be pride that leads younger priest to wear them.
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Spiller
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That’s a very good point. Nothing at all wrong with wearing them, but to specifically point wearing one as some sort of wonderful thing seems rather odd.Well the younger gun-ho priest in my dioceses, usually end up at the large city parishes.
After about 10 years in the priesthood, after they begin to realize that the priesthood isn’t like in the movie “Going My Way,” and after they’ve grown in wisdom, they’re transfered out into the small suburb parishes like mine.
**BTW, how does wearing a cassock make a priest more orthodox than one who doesn’t? After all, it could be pride that leads younger priest to wear them. **
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Sarabande
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That is a good point. It certainly does not indicate that the man will be a good priest. At the same time, from my experience at least in our diocese and where I see the whole lot of those seminarians more often than most since my parish is the archdiocese’s cathedral and there there very often, I have noticed a change in attitude of these men, seemingly for the better. It is certainly not the cassock, but in this case I believe it is just one of the indicators of a shift or change in how things are being taught at the seminary and how their focus is changing. We’ve even noticed a change in their musical choices from 10 years ago. At least with the priests I know, there is something more down-to-earth and more spiritual than what I’ve seen before. I don’t know what it is and what is really causing it for the whole lot of them. Although, I do know for the few that I know personally they are of my generation and were yearning for something deeper than what we got in Catholic school and Sunday mass. But that is only a few men and we can’t go by just that.
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peary
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It’s not pride; it’s respect for the Church’s tradition and what priesthood represents to these young men - something more than a "good ol’ boy’s club."
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bilop
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I agree, but will also state that there is nothing wrong with being proud to be a Catholic priest.
Wearing the cassock is a firm statement that you are a Catholic Priest, which is great.
God Bless
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JimR-OCDS
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Maybe its pride, maybe its not, but if its drawing attention to himself, when other priest are not wearing cassocks, maybe it is.
However, his wearing a cassock doesn’t mean others who don’t, have a “good ol’ boy’s club” mentality, as you seem to put it.
At any rate, the only priest I’ve seen wearing a cassock in the past 25 years, is one who’s parish is associated with Bishop Lefabrve.
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LRThunder
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How can you judge a priest’s intentions if he wears a cassock?
A priest at a local parish wears a cassock and it’s not associated with the SSPX at all.
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JimR-OCDS
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I didn’t judge the priest intentions. As I wrote; Maybe its pride, maybe its not, I really don’t know.
But neither does anyone know that priests who doesn’t wear cassocks, are not holy men who are true to the Church.
The op is pointing out those who do wear cassocks are some how more orthodox than those who don’t. There’s the judgment if you want to make an issue out of judging priest.
And as I also said, the only priest that I’ve seen who wore a cassock, belongs to a parish associated with Bishop Lefabrve.
I should’ve said here, that I’m referring to diocesan priest. Priest of religious orders, I’ve seen wear the cassocks of their order, specifically the Passionist. They don’t serve in parishes in my area, but ran a retreat center.
Jim
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peary
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**You need to get out more
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historybrat
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I’m in the Archdiocese of Denver, and I would agree that in general the newly ordained priests here tend to be more orthodox. I wouldn’t say that they all are but my experience has been that it is true. On the other hand I’ve meet some middle aged and older priest who are very orthodox too. What can I say I’m lucky enough to have a great Archbishop. The only time you find unorthodox priest would be in some of the rural areas, although they are slowly being replaced and those priest ordained between 1960-1980. There seems to have been some confusion during the Vat II time period and right after (not saying that Vat II was bad, just saying that it caused some confusion).
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Sarabande
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I guess it depends on the diocese. In our archdiocese more and more priests are wearing cassocks - maybe not all the time, but I see it so much now that it doesn’t even seem “unusual” or “new”. It’s actually becoming common attire. These are diocesan priests. But I also don’t see anything wrong when I see priests not wearing cassocks.
To me, no matter what the “norm” is, if a person feels drawn to wear a certain attire or act a certain way that is not part of the norm, as long as it is done with the best intentions and doesn’t hurt himself or others and is not “sinful”, I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to think the worst of them, so be it. I wouldn’t want them to change because of a negative person’s beliefs. It would be like me changing my way of dress to fit into the norm because of a pre-judged belief of what kind of person they thought I was.
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