M
Maximilian75
Guest
How is Pope Francis liberal?
We cannot definitively say that.There is no salvation for
Anyone in any circumstance without this faith. Amen.
What we do acknowledge is that “in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him” (CCC 848).161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42 "Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’"43
We do definitively say that. Faith in Christ is absolutely necessary. From the CCC:
Folks are forgetting stuff…161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42 "Since “without faith it is impossible to please [God]” and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life ‘But he who endures to the end.’"43
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
You aren’t God. How do you know?There is no salvation for
Anyone in any circumstance without this faith. Amen.
What traditions might those be, drac?It’s self explanatory. They use traditions over the Bible.
Pope Francis taught the same thing in Lumen Fidei:This argument only proves that not all people receive the help they need to believe and be converted immediately. It does not, however, prove that some people are deprived, absolutely speaking, of sufficient help for salvation. For the pagans to whom the Gospel has not yet been preached, can know from His creatures that God exists; then they can be stimulated by God, through His preventing grace, to believe in God, that He exists and that He is the rewarder of those who seek Him: and from such faith, they can be inspired, under the guidance and help of God, to pray and give alms and in this way obtain from God a still greater light of faith, which God will communicate to them, either by Himself or through angels or through men.
St. John Paul II, after discussing the salvation of those ignorant of Gospel, says the following:Because faith is a way, it also has to do with the lives of those men and women who, though not believers, nonetheless desire to believe and continue to seek. To the extent that they are sincerely open to love and set out with whatever light they can find, they are already, even without knowing it, on the path leading to faith.
https://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP950531.htmAs Peter proclaimed before the Sanhedrin at the very start of the apostolic preaching: “There is no other name in the whole world given to men by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12).
- What I have said above, however, does not justify the relativistic position of those who maintain that a way of salvation can be found in any religion, even independently of faith in Christ the Redeemer, and that interreligious dialogue must be based on this ambiguous idea. That solution to the problem of the salvation of those who do not profess the Christian creed is not in conformity with the Gospel. Rather, we must maintain that the way of salvation always passes through Christ, and therefore the Church and her missionaries have the task of making him known and loved in every time, place and culture. Apart from Christ “there is no salvation”.
For those too who through no fault of their own do not know Christ and are not recognized as Christians, the divine plan has provided a way of salvation. As we read in the Council’s Decree on Missionary Activity Ad gentes, we believe that "in ways known to himself, God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel" to the faith necessary for salvation (Ad gentes, n. 7).
Biblical references to baptism seem to indicate belief and repentance should precede baptism. Is it fair to say that the concept of infant baptism was derived from Tradition rather than direct explicit Biblical teaching?With regard to infants, the grace of baptism (whether received ordinarily or extraordinarily) infuses the habit of faith. For such infants, with regard to actual faith, as St. Augustine says “He believes by another, who has sinned by another.” (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii). Faith is imputed by proxy. But once a person has a sufficient intellect and will, he must believe himself.
My reference to infants concerned those who die without baptism.With regard to infants, the grace of baptism (whether received ordinarily or extraordinarily) infuses the habit of faith. For such infants, with regard to actual faith, as St. Augustine says “He believes by another, who has sinned by another.” (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii). Faith is imputed by proxy. But once a person has a sufficient intellect and will, he must believe himself.
According to the Bible, whole families were baptized. I doubt they were explicitly excluding infants.Genesis315:![]()
Biblical references to baptism seem to indicate belief and repentance should precede baptism. Is it fair to say that the concept of infant baptism was derived from Tradition rather than direct explicit Biblical teaching?With regard to infants, the grace of baptism (whether received ordinarily or extraordinarily) infuses the habit of faith. For such infants, with regard to actual faith, as St. Augustine says “He believes by another, who has sinned by another.” (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii). Faith is imputed by proxy. But once a person has a sufficient intellect and will, he must believe himself.
I understand what you are saying however you did not answer my question.Wannano:![]()
According to the Bible, whole families were baptized. I doubt they were explicitly excluding infants.Genesis315:![]()
Biblical references to baptism seem to indicate belief and repentance should precede baptism. Is it fair to say that the concept of infant baptism was derived from Tradition rather than direct explicit Biblical teaching?With regard to infants, the grace of baptism (whether received ordinarily or extraordinarily) infuses the habit of faith. For such infants, with regard to actual faith, as St. Augustine says “He believes by another, who has sinned by another.” (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii). Faith is imputed by proxy. But once a person has a sufficient intellect and will, he must believe himself.
Also, at one point it was pretty hard to be born into Christianity…simply because it didn’t exist.
We Catholics aren’t the only Christians who baptize infants, either.