Are non-Christian religions acceptable?

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Do you believe in universalism? Or are you “just dabbling” in it?
 
No, I believe in the CCC, though.

You’re implying that the catechism dabbles in universalism. Don’t try to twist out of that.
 
"Actually, if you read the Catechism, it alludes to the possibility of something along those lines, "

Those are your exact words. Not mine.
 
What? LOL that is precisely what I said.

Your straw man is a straw man, my friend.

I said the CCC implies they may not go to hell/be damned.

You posted about how the “documents of V2 in no way validate the belief known as universalism” and “universalism is heresy”. I said that according to you the Catechism is dabbling in it. You asked me if I believed in universalism, I said no - but I believe in the Catechism, and I pointed out that in a circular manner you are implying the CCC dabbles in universalism.

Then you throw up straw man.

That makes no sense.

That is precisely what you are doing.
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"Actually, if you read the Catechism, it alludes to the possibility of something along those lines, "

Those are your exact words. Not mine.
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Exactly. What does that have to do with your straw man? Especially when the conversation was a rational chain of thought (or so I thought, anyway, until that ridiculous photo went up).

In that statement, I reference the CCC, which implies they may not go to hell. That doesn’t imply I “dabble” in universalism. It implies I can read the CCC.
 
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Any validation of universalism in the documents of V2 is imaginary. The passage in Lumen Gentium you allude to was inserted to placate non-Christians. Unfortunately inserted, but there it is.
I ask again–do you espouse universalism? A simple yes or no will suffice. I’ll go first–I emphatically do not believe in universalism. And there is no salvation without Christ and his Church.
 
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Any validation of universalism in the documents of V2 is imaginary. The passage in Lumen Gentium you allude to was inserted to placate non-Christians. Unfortunately inserted, but there it is.
I ask again–do you espouse universalism? A simple yes or no will suffice. I’ll go first–I emphatically do not believe in universalism.
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You’re killing me.

I’m reading the Catechism. Not LG.

For the SECOND TIME, the answer is no. In no way have I implied or stated that I am a universalist. Nice attempt at a twist of words, though.

But I believe in the CCC, which you’re refusing to acknowledge, and I follow its teachings.

You are implying - or trying to twist out of me - that because I side with the CCC’s teachings, which you seem to think are invalid - I’m a universalist, and so is the CCC.

That’s not how this works.
 
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I said “you seem to think”. I didn’t say you did. You’re claiming I’m quoting some document I’ve honestly never read. I’m saying what’s in the current and valid catechism.

Why are you trying to trap me over this?
 
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Where do you think you think the current Catechism came from?
And-to take a gentler tone-I highly recommend reading Lumen Gentium. l realize we don’t have time to read everything, but that document is critical.
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But what does that dogma mean? I have read it means that those who are saved are saved only by Jesus through His Church even if they do not know it. In other words, one may not believe in the Church and be saved through the Church in any case.
 
Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is kind of a requirement, by His own admission.
 
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Where do you think you think the current Catechism came from?
And-to take a gentler tone-I highly recommend reading Lumen Gentium. l realize we don’t have time to read everything, but that document is critical.
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What difference does it make, then?

I’m telling you what’s in the CCC. You keep making circular comments that make no sense. You say something was inserted to appease people, and ask me if I’m a universalist simply because I"m telling you what I read in the CCC, which I take as a reference guide and instruction to the faith. (I’m not long a Catholic, for the record, so I have to go with what I know, and I know the CCC.)

So whether you like it or not, whether you straw man it or not, you are indeed in a circular manner implying that the CCC is perpetuating universalism.

Added - okay I will. That’s a fair suggestion.
 
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Do you believe Protestants who believe in Jesus Christ can be saved without the Church?
 
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No, I didn’t imply that. I thought you did. If you didn’t mean to imply that, great. We both refute universalism and that’s also great. Pax Christi.
 
Heavens no. LOL. Me either. I was just saying the CCC says they may not be damned either.

Pax Christi to you as well.

And I’m not running out…it’s just my bedtime. Good night. 🙂
 
But what is the dogma? Is it not that Jesus saves ONLY through His Church, and at the same time He MAY save those who do not believe in HIm and/or His Church in ways only known to Him?
 
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