Are parental rights gone?

[jmjconder]

**Plan B in High Schools?

OM GOSH…I am beyond words for this possibility.

Where have the rights of parents to parent gone? Please tell me.**

 

[Iheartcoffee]

It sickens me. You wouldn’t believe the hoops kids and their parents have to jump through to allow the child to keep an Epi-Pen in the nurse’s office in case of a severe allergic reaction. However, the schools in NY seem to think it’s just fine to pass out birth control like it’s candy.

How it is okay to pass our hormones for the child to take home, but it is not okay for a child to bring an Epi-Pen to school without a stack of paperwork is beyond me.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Um, parents had a choice in this. They were all notified and had the option to opt out. Only a few did though, because if given the choice most parents would rather their daughters take Plan B and not have to tell them than have to tell them that they are pregnant.

 

[Elizium23]

Um, parents had a choice in this. They were all notified and had the option to opt out. Only a few did though, because if given the choice most parents would rather their daughters take Plan B and not have to tell them than have to tell them that they are pregnant.

It doesn’t matter. It is still tragic and misguided. Nobody should be permitted to end the lives of the unborn, or misuse contraceptives like this. Frankly, all “use” of contraceptives is misuse.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

It doesn’t matter. It is still tragic and misguided. Nobody should be permitted to end the lives of the unborn, or misuse contraceptives like this. Frankly, all “use” of contraceptives is misuse.

That’s a completely different discussion. But for the foreseeable future contraception will be legal. The OP was making the point that this infringes on parental rights, and it doesn’t because parents got to make the choice.

 

[Nimzovik]

Who needs Parents? Remeber*- it takes a village.* A la Hillary Clinton*. The village* knows what is better for the child than mere Parents do.

 

[thewanderer]

If anyone is interested here is a website that is currently working to secure parental rights

parentalrights.org/

Um, parents had a choice in this. They were all notified and had the option to opt out. Only a few did though, because if given the choice most parents would rather their daughters take Plan B and not have to tell them than have to tell them that they are pregnant.

Although I feel like I should add that I agree with you that so long as the parents were actually given a choice about this that their rights were not denied them.

 

[Ms_Manners]

It sickens me. You wouldn’t believe the hoops kids and their parents have to jump through to allow the child to keep an Epi-Pen in the nurse’s office in case of a severe allergic reaction. However, the schools in NY seem to think it’s just fine to pass out birth control like it’s candy.

How it is okay to pass our hormones for the child to take home, but it is not okay for a child to bring an Epi-Pen to school without a stack of paperwork is beyond me.

Wait, no tests or anything?
No warnings of side-effects?

Even with all the moral and religious issues aside (and don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying even remotely they should be put aside), in some cases it may be extremely unsafe for people to take those, and they are just giving them to kids?!
Are they aware of the risks and responsibility?

 

[hannajomar]

Why should they need to dispense plan B? I thought schools giving out free condoms was going to end teen pregnancy.

 

[Lorelei12]

A lot of people are citing that on average, only 1-2% of parents “opted out”. Which is misleading. A letter was sent to parents, who then had to sign and return the paper only if they wanted to prevent their children from receiving the pill. There was no system in place to make sure that parents actually received the letter, for instance they could have asked that parents “opt in” instead, as they have to do with virtually every other circumstance- field trips, other medications, etc. I would be extremely upset if I never received a letter and my child was given such a medication without my permission.

I still wouldn’t be supportive from a moral standpoint if parents had signed a permission slip allowing their daughters to receive treatment, but at least it would have been explicit, informed consent, instead of the reverse.

 

[jmjconder]

The argument that the parents were notified and were given a choice only proves that parental rights have been taken away - high schools have no place in this family issue.

 

[Cristiano]

What really amazes me is that in some schools children get sun burns while on a school trip because their public school does not give sun blocker because it is considered a medication. It seem to me that there is a clear agenda in regard to which medical services the schools are providing.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

The argument that the parents were notified and were given a choice only proves that parental rights have been taken away - high schools have no place in this family issue.

The fact that they were notified and given a choice only proves that their rights were impeded? What?

 

[Cristiano]

That’s a completely different discussion. But for the foreseeable future contraception will be legal. The OP was making the point that this infringes on parental rights, and it doesn’t because parents got to make the choice.

I think that there are two different levels of choices, the first is choosing to participate in a plan and the other being forced to withdraw from a plan. The first is a free choice the second is not, it is an infringement on parental rights. Using your rights because you do not act on something that is imposed on you sounds a lot like fascism.

 

[Nimzovik]

The fact that they were notified and given a choice only proves that their rights were impeded? What?

My goodness yes! A child can not go on a camping trip with the school unless they received authorization from the Parents. So it shoud be with medical **and **surgical (Abortion) procedures yes? Do ya think? What other drugs should we allow other institutions and Businesses like Planned Parenthood give our children eh?

No doubt yet another end run by Planned Parenthood IMHO.

 

[Rence]

The argument that the parents were notified and were given a choice only proves that parental rights have been taken away - high schools have no place in this family issue.

The fact that the parents were notified and given a choice only proves that parental rights have NOT been taken away. If they were taken away, they wouldn’t have been notified and/or wouldn’t have been given a choice. By definition a choice gives one the right to consent or refuse.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

The fact that the parents were notified and given a choice only proves that parental rights have NOT been taken away. If they were taken away, they wouldn’t have been notified and/or wouldn’t have been given a choice. By definition a choice gives one the right to consent or refuse.

However, for all other medical things handled by the schools, the process is opt-in rather than opt-out.

I’m actually very suprised that school lawyers would let them take on this liability. Hormonal contraceptives - especially the a few shots a year kind - have a LONG list of very serious side affects. If even one girl gets sick or, heaven forbid, dies from this, it will be very, very ugly.

 

[Cristiano]

The fact that the parents were notified and given a choice only proves that parental rights have NOT been taken away. If they were taken away, they wouldn’t have been notified and/or wouldn’t have been given a choice. By definition a choice gives one the right to consent or refuse.

“Disenfranchised” is the political word that comes to mind when rights are decided by opting out instead of opting in. In theory you have a choice but in practice the right of expressing a choice can be eliminated by constraints. This is the case where you loose your rights if you do not take action to protect it. Just look at the fuss now with voters’ ID laws.

 

[Rence]

However, for all other medical things handled by the schools, the process is opt-in rather than opt-out.

I’m actually very suprised that school lawyers would let them take on this liability. Hormonal contraceptives - especially the a few shots a year kind - have a LONG list of very serious side affects. If even one girl gets sick or, heaven forbid, dies from this, it will be very, very ugly.

I hate to say this, but it’s the fault of those parents who don’t keep their children chaste. Apparently this was set into motion because 700 girls became pregnant, and what happens to those girls when they get pregnant? They either have abortions or go on public aid. Some would argue that if parents aren’t going to step up, since the State is paying for those pregnancies, it’s in everyone’s best interest if the State does. I’m sorry but if a 14 year old girl gets pregnant, a lot of the responsibility is on the parents.

You’re getting mad because you don’t want your kids access to contraceptives. I get that. But you do have the right to opt out, so that you’re kids don’t have such access. But, I understand a majority of the parents didn’t even opt out. Obviously they don’t mind if their kids have access to contraceptives.

IMOHO, you all who are getting upset about it have nothing to get upset about. Your rights as parents have not gone away, contrary to the title of this thread. You can opt out and continue instilling the values you do to your children. If other parents aren’t doing the same and are welcoming the access to contraceptives, you really don’t have anything to complain about. The teenage pregnancy rate is really high where this was introduced. The financial burden is on the State when these pregnancies occur. They’re going to try and curb in burdensome costs, and this is the way they’re doing it.

When people stop accepting public assistance, then they probably will have more say when things like this get introduced. In the meantime, the financial burden is on the State. If the parents would take on the financial burden of raising their grandchildren by their adolescent and teenage kids, maybe there wouldn’t be so much teenaged sex.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

My concern is with the potentially serious medical effects. No opt-out medical consent form should come home smashed in the bottom of said 14yo girl’s back pack.

There should have been announcements, public meetings in the schools before hand, and a mailed letter with the opt-IN form.

A teenaged girl is medically safer being pregnant and giving birth than on hormonal contraceptives.