Are people born homosexual ?

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No, just humans!! And homosexuals ARE humans you know! If two people want to marry, because it means something special to them, just like it does to me in a ‘conventional’ marriage, I don’t want to stand in their way.
They are humans with a particular disordered desire. Should the government give free whiskey to alcoholics because that’s what they want?
As for procreation I’m not sure where the fear of falling population comes from… If it’s because the baby boomers want enough young people to look after them in their dotage - then that strikes me as selfish in the extreme - where would that end?!
Yeah! How DARE our older population want to be taken care of!:rolleyes: Several countries are already offering additional incentives to couples willing to have children beyond the tax breaks already in place because their population is dying off faster than children are being born.
Already the planet cannot support our present population with our high consumption rates.
Incorrect. Take a look at this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=746689
Perhaps homosexual couples in a secure relationship could offer loving homes to some unwanted kids languishing in institutions.
Or perhaps religiously-based adoption agencies should have been allowed to continue functioning without being forced into the choice of shutting their doors or violating their conscience.
 
When I review Dr. Digg’s statements (some of which are out of date), I have to wonder whether he is really concerned about the health of homosexuals, or just using statistics to attack their behavior. Sexually active gay men are at higher risk for some STD’s, however Dr. Digg’s has gone on record publicly as being opposed to vaccination programs to reduce the spread of STD’s, even in opposition to CDC recommendations.
 
This sounds similar to bigotry, which we need to confront. Whether in Catholic church or anywhere. The truth is the truth, no matter unpalatable.
Sorry, but the above are features, not bugs. We know this because there have been no serious attempts to put protection clauses in these legalized same-sex fictions.

We also know this from discussions with champions of same-sex “marriage”. Once it was asked of one if he would obey a law requiring heterosexual couples to give up a child for adoption to a same-sex “couple” in the name of family diversity. He hemmed and hawed, complained about it being an unlikely hypothetical, but eventually said yes, he would. It was interesting because on the way to getting him to admit that, he also said that he would return an escaped slave to his master under the Fugitive Slave Act and saying he would accept the lesser injustice of returning the slave to avoid the greater injustice of breaking the law. How obeying such an unjust law was the lesser injustice isn’t clear, but the legalism to the point of insanity is. The same-sex “marriage” movement has at its basis: “We have no god but Caesar.”
 
When I review Dr. Digg’s statements (some of which are out of date), I have to wonder whether he is really concerned about the health of homosexuals, or just using statistics to attack their behavior. Gay men are at higher risk for some STD’s, however Dr. Digg’s has gone on record publicly as being opposed to vaccination programs to reduce the spread of STD’s, even in opposition to CDC recommendations.
Because it is not just an issue of physical health, but also of moral health. Vaccination against STDs (just like spreading condoms against STDs) doesn’t solve the underlying moral problem. In fact, it leads to further moral degradation by plastering over ‘the wages of sin’.
 
When I review Dr. Digg’s statements (some of which are out of date), I have to wonder whether he is really concerned about the health of homosexuals, or just using statistics to attack their behavior. Gay men are at higher risk for some STD’s, however Dr. Digg’s has gone on record publicly as being opposed to vaccination programs to reduce the spread of STD’s, even in opposition to CDC recommendations.
Which one’s are out of date and a source?

Have you been keeping current about vaccinations? In fact one has to question the CDC. You are aware of the polio vaccination debacle (contaminated with monkey virus) and the decision to not recall millions of them? or Gardasil?

We must be very careful about vaccines. They are not all they are cracked up to be.
 
Because it is not just an issue of physical health, but also of moral health. Vaccination against STDs (just like spreading condoms against STDs) doesn’t solve the underlying moral problem. In fact, it leads to further moral degradation by plastering over ‘the wages of sin’.
Maybe. But HPV vaccination does help prevent cervical cancer and rectal cancer. I don’t see how any health practitioner could be opposed to protecting young people, many of whom act impulsively, from cancer. I don’t see how a moral stance opposing a behavior would include the stance that people should not be protected from disease. Just my opinion.
 
Maybe. But HPV vaccination does help prevent cervical cancer and rectal cancer. I don’t see how any health practitioner could be opposed to protecting young people, many of whom act impulsively, from cancer. I don’t see how a moral stance opposing a behavior would include the stance that people should not be protected from disease. Just my opinion.
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Because it is not just an issue of physical health, but also of moral health. Vaccination against STDs (just like spreading condoms against STDs) doesn’t solve the underlying moral problem. In fact, it leads to further moral degradation by plastering over ‘the wages of sin’.
And some of those wages of sin are born by the innocent. The failure to vaccinate will certainly come nowhere near an elimination of sinful behavior. On the other hand, vaccinations not only protect the guilty from disease, they can also protect the innocent.
 
Maybe. But HPV vaccination does help prevent cervical cancer and rectal cancer. I don’t see how any health practitioner could be opposed to protecting young people, many of whom act impulsively, from cancer. I don’t see how a moral stance opposing a behavior would include the stance that people should not be protected from disease. Just my opinion.
An opinion I share. Furthermore, protecting the sinful against diseases acquired through sinful behavior sometimes protects the innocent as well, as I pointed out in my previous post.
 
And some of those wages of sin are born by the innocent. The failure to vaccinate will certainly come nowhere near an elimination of sinful behavior. On the other hand, vaccinations not only protect the guilty from disease, they can also protect the innocent.
Exactly right. And the wages of sin are death; both spiritual death and temporal death. But that does not mean that people who commit certain sins are getting their “just desserts” when they contract diseases. It means that death was not in the original plan God had for humanity but came about because of sin. We are all doomed to physically die because of original sin and our participation in it. Whether we die spiritually is a choice we make when we decide if we want God or ourselves and Satan for all eternity.
 
And some of those wages of sin are born by the innocent. The failure to vaccinate will certainly come nowhere near an elimination of sinful behavior. On the other hand, vaccinations not only protect the guilty from disease, they can also protect the innocent.
I am aware of this, and acknowledge there are painful dilemmas here. It just bothers me that people talk so casually about advancing vaccinations, condoms, et cetera against STDs, as if the issue at hand is comparable to clean drinking water or a proper sewage system. Indiscriminate sex is not a human right. Moreover, those who through sin harm those they are responsible for, thus also bear responsibility for the harm done to them. I’m not saying we should therefore not be charitable towards the innocent (far from it), but there is a dilemma here.
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Furthermore, protecting the sinful against diseases acquired through sinful behavior sometimes protects the innocent as well, as I pointed out in my previous post.
True, but this reasoning would allow spreading condoms in Africa as a response to HIV/AIDS. The Church has condemned this, however.
 
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He is correct that gay sex has potential health risks, particularly hepatitis and some other STD’s. a lot of his statistics and terminology is from the 1980’s and not in common use today. For example, “gay bowel syndrome” was abandoned as a diagnosis some time ago.

His basic premise is correct that risky sexual behavior has risks, as does smoking cigarettes, using drugs, and so on… Every physician should be opposed to unhealthy behavior, in my opinion. But I also think that it is a best practice to try to protect those who do engage in risky behavior, through education and treatment when necessary. Sometimes that means prophylactic assistance, in addition to advising against the behavior. Helping someone to stay healthy does not mean that one endorses the dangerous behavior.

On can be opposed to a war, for example, as being immoral, yet still provide armor and medical assistance to the combatants who sign up to fight the war. Not exactly analogous, but I hope it is close enough to see my point.
 
He is correct that gay sex has potential health risks, particularly hepatitis and some other STD’s. a lot of his statistics and terminology is from the 1980’s and not in common use today. For example, “gay bowel syndrome” was abandoned as a diagnosis some time ago.

His basic premise is correct that risky sexual behavior has risks, as does smoking cigarettes, using drugs, and so on… Every physician should be opposed to unhealthy behavior, in my opinion. But I also think that it is a best practice to try to protect those who do engage in risky behavior, through education and treatment when necessary. Sometimes that means prophylactic assistance, in addition to advising against the behavior. Helping someone to stay healthy does not mean that one endorses the dangerous behavior.

On can be opposed to a war, for example, as being immoral, yet still provide armor and medical assistance to the combatants who sign up to fight the war. Not exactly analogous, but I hope it is close enough to see my point.
** HIV Infection and a New Look at Gay Bowel Syndrome**

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A September 2010 report of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declared : “Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States…”[12] In August of 2009, LifeSiteNews reported: “An official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced the CDC’s estimate Monday that in the United States AIDS is fifty times more prevalent among men who have sex with men (‘MSM’) than the rest of the population.”[13] On March 15, 2004 Medscape published an article entitled New Look at “Gay Bowel Syndrome” by John G. Bartlett, M.D. which commented on the 2004 journal article Etiology of clinical proctitis among men who have sex with men published by JD Klausner and C. Kent in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. The Medscape article declared:
“ There were multiple studies of the newly recognized “gay bowel syndrome” in the late 1970s and early 1980s. However, subsequent attention and study has been sparse, in part attributed to reduced frequency thought to reflect changing practices by gay men in response to the HIV epidemic. This study clearly indicates that it is still an issue, since the cases were studied in 2001-2002. Also, the etiology is about the same as previously, although HSV is newly recognized as an important component. This finding not only affects management but also has HIV prevention implications. The authors note that two thirds of the participants were HIV negative and that proctitis increases the risk of HIV by up to 9-fold.[14]
 
Should we not hate evil? Which other sins are intrinsically evil?
Oh for the love of Pete, I noted that I was NOT talking about opposition to same sex marriage. So what are you going on about?

Big difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner, and I’m looking at a lot of both here. One’s OK, the other is not!

Homosexuals are not evil. Some may be unrepentant sinners, but heck, there are lots of unrepentant sinners. Alcoholics and drug addicts that aren’t in recovery? Unrepentant sinners. Heterosexuals with active sex lives? Same. You can easily come up with more examples.

Also for the record, I was primarily talking about hatred for non-practicing homosexuals (SSA), too. Because there’s a whole heck of a lot of that.

Hatred for effeminate males and masculine females as well. There’s a lot of that too.
 
He is correct that gay sex has potential health risks, particularly hepatitis and some other STD’s. a lot of his statistics and terminology is from the 1980’s and not in common use today. For example, “gay bowel syndrome” was abandoned as a diagnosis some time ago.

His basic premise is correct that risky sexual behavior has risks, as does smoking cigarettes, using drugs, and so on… Every physician should be opposed to unhealthy behavior, in my opinion. But I also think that it is a best practice to try to protect those who do engage in risky behavior, through education and treatment when necessary. Sometimes that means prophylactic assistance, in addition to advising against the behavior. Helping someone to stay healthy does not mean that one endorses the dangerous behavior.

On can be opposed to a war, for example, as being immoral, yet still provide armor and medical assistance to the combatants who sign up to fight the war. Not exactly analogous, but I hope it is close enough to see my point.
When my doctor is talking to me about my smoking habit, he doesn’t say “Try low-tar cigarettes” or “Buy water filters to reduce the nicotine”. He tells me to STOP. Doctors who give “prophylactic assistance” to people engaging in risky behavior without trying to get them to stop that behavior are thinking more of their own wallets than the patient.
 
When my doctor is talking to me about my smoking habit, he doesn’t say “Try low-tar cigarettes” or “Buy water filters to reduce the nicotine”. He tells me to STOP. Doctors who give “prophylactic assistance” to people engaging in risky behavior without trying to get them to stop that behavior are thinking more of their own wallets than the patient.
Married, heterosexual sex can be risky as well. Risky /= immoral. They shouldn’t stop because it’s risky. They should stop because it’s immoral.
 
Married, heterosexual sex can be risky as well. Risky /= immoral. They shouldn’t stop because it’s risky. They should stop because it’s immoral.
Agreed. I was simply pointing out the problems with the idea of “risk-reduction” solving a problem. As I recall, it has been found that - for example - the number of motorcycle accidents increases when helmet laws are put in place.
 
Agreed. I was simply pointing out the problems with the idea of “risk-reduction” solving a problem. As I recall, it has been found that - for example - the number of motorcycle accidents increases when helmet laws are put in place.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. 🙂
 
Agreed. I was simply pointing out the problems with the idea of “risk-reduction” solving a problem. As I recall, it has been found that - for example - the number of motorcycle accidents increases when helmet laws are put in place.
Not entirely true…I think the argument goes; one might think that people imagine they’re more invincible when they take precautions like helmets/seat belts etc, so they MAY have more minor accidents…Reasons/motives are complicated, but the fact is, for this example, DEATHS are down.
I’ve been following this thread with interest as I wanted to know why people want to deny marriage to some loving couples. Now I know, but I can’t agree with you. There’s too much hate in the world…and people will love each other - with or without the approval of some some churches/mosques, whatever.
I love a man, whomsoever my neighbour loves is not my business ( unless it’s my man…)
 
Oh for the love of Pete, I noted that I was NOT talking about opposition to same sex marriage. So what are you going on about?

Big difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner, and I’m looking at a lot of both here. One’s OK, the other is not!

Homosexuals are not evil. Some may be unrepentant sinners, but heck, there are lots of unrepentant sinners. Alcoholics and drug addicts that aren’t in recovery? Unrepentant sinners. Heterosexuals with active sex lives? Same. You can easily come up with more examples.

Also for the record, I was primarily talking about hatred for non-practicing homosexuals (SSA), too. Because there’s a whole heck of a lot of that.

Hatred for effeminate males and masculine females as well. There’s a lot of that too.
The Catechism refers to the homosexual act as intrinsically evil.
 
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