Are people getting less resilient?

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I read a few articles in the last day or two about how millennial men suffer from generally bad mental health for a variety of reasons. Many of the articles put it down to the “stigma” atached to men who apppear overly emotional or “weak”.
I had this discuaaion the other day with my wife an sister too…There does seem to be a lot of millennials who simply can’t cope with what would normally be considered “normal life”.
A lot of people are overly afraid of things. Is seems evident as well from some of the posts on this forum. A lot of people suffer from anxiety or depression. I often wonder if some people would benefit from some sort of activity designed to boost confidence.

Interested to see what people think about this topic.
 
There seems to be enormous pressure for millennials to aquire wealth and success. And this is happening to some young people after years of being brought up to feel entitled. No wonder they are anxious.

Also society changed the rules to basically no rules.
 
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I don’t think people are any less resilient it is just that in the absence of huge trauma (for example war and famine) and with much more free time people are more inclined to dwell on themselves and men especially are more comfortable with sharing those concerns.
 
It is sad but I think true in many cases, The world we live in today is not the same as when I was a kid or even when my mom was younger. The"millennial " referring to people born in the 80’s , 90,s and into the early 2000, seem to have more pressure on them and that in turn gives them the tags of being overly ,emotional ,which is probably stress, bad mental health may be stretching it. I agree with you that people who fall into that category would benefit from getting involved in some sort of activity, it keeps the mind focused and you feel generally better about yourself. God Bless
 
I think a lot of it’s to do with greater awareness and more acceptance. It’s okay to admit suffering from a mental health condition, there’s no need to keep it swept under the carpet. Maybe the more media coverage and focus on these issues suggests they’re even more widespread than perhaps they are.
 
It’s a combination.

We are more open about things that afflict people–mental illnesses and the like.

We also put a lot more emotionally on kids than ever before. 50% of marriages end in divorce, often when kids are quite young. The must deal with separation, parental feuds, dates, step-parenting, different households. Even if they somehow manage to have an intact family they may have an uncle they adored who they can “no longer talk to” or other such nonsense. When death was something children had to deal with it had finality.

There’s also a lot of academic pressure. For most of history, people were illiterate. Then for a few centuries, 8th grade education was all that was needed. Now, we’re requiring Masters to wipe toddlers butts in daycare. It’s ludicrous. Which then leads to diagnoses such as ADHD and mild ASD which would have been great in hunter-gatherer societies and still made for pretty good farmers.

So, no, I don’t think we’re less resilient. I think that we are forced to deal with far more, far younger emotionally and mentally than the human body was ever really meant for.
 
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It could be as simple as that with the internet, the kids who never made it out of their parent’s basement now have a way to communicate to the outside world.

Without the internet, all those kids who can’t seem to hack life would have been invisible.
 
It could be as simple as that with the internet, the kids who never made it out of their parent’s basement now have a way to communicate to the outside world.

Without the internet, all those kids who can’t seem to hack life would have been invisible.
Not only that, but I do think there is such thing as “social media envy,” where someone may actually have a comparatively good life and be pretty stable emotionally, physically and financially, but still feel twinges of jealousy when they see their college roommate travel the world or their high school classmates get married and have kids (if that’s something they want). Leads to a lot of useless comparisons (“oh, they’re more successful than I am because they have money to travel” or “oh, they’re happier than I am because they found their soulmate” etc.), and I think that can lead to depression and/or feelings of inadequacy in a world where people are expected to be successful.
 
So, no, I don’t think we’re less resilient. I think that we are forced to deal with far more, far younger emotionally and mentally than the human body was ever really meant for.
Really? I would have said that many of us are able to grow up at a slower rate than in previous times.

Many people aren’t financially independent of their parents til their mid 30’s these days.
 
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So, no, I don’t think we’re less resilient. I think that we are forced to deal with far more, far younger emotionally and mentally than the human body was ever really meant for.
Really? I would have said that many of us are able to grow up at a slower rate than in previous times.

Many people aren’t financially independent of their parents til their mid 30’s these days.
Being late to maturity is likey a causal effect of being in situations that one is not mature enough to handle. There’s a popular picture going around where four adults have a child by the hand and are walking around Disney. It’s supposed to be a great example of co-parenting at it’s best.

But what I see is a deep tragedy. Two adults made a child…couldn’t get along, divorced and remarried…all before this child was in grade school. 😔 Statistically, at least one of those sets of “parents” will remarry again.

One of my good friends struggles with the holidays tremendously because of her mother’s remarriages. She has her biological dad, the man that raised her and now her mother has a new husband. Her biological father decided that in her teenage years that he was ready to be a Dad…and her biological father’s family was always involved in her life. Having her step dad as dad she was involved with his family and considers his daughter (not her mother’s child) her sister. And now in order to see her mother, she must deal with her mother’s new husband and his family. Its a MESS. She has more relatives to deal with than two adults from nuclear families have combined. It’s also confusing for her kids because none of the men can be in the same room together and they ALL want to gather 'round the tree and open presents.
 
Was it not the case in the past that a young person would work and marry at a young age (early 20’s).

Now it’s the case that the 20’s are for “finding yourself”. I had so many comments before my wedding that I was too young to get married and I should enjoy myself for a few more years.

There’s almost an expectation on young adults to have an extended period of immaturity and avoid the responsibilities of full adult life for as long as possible.

I get what you’re saying about situations like the one you mention. A lot of family breakdown makes for less emotionally stable children i would imagine. But I’ve had my share of problems (biological father who wasn’t/isn’t interested in my life at all)
and I don’t really have any emotional/mental health issues. I don’t think that can be all of it?
 
That’s definitely true. I always wanted to be a SAHM, but I have to admit seeing multiple high school classmates of mine starting their own companies and being on Forbes 30 under 30, not to mention the constant expensive vacation pictures, makes me feel like a failure in comparison.
 
Maybe I’m just weird…but I actually don’t understand this feeling. I never feel like this. Even with facebook etc. I know some people do but I’ve never put a big emphasis on “stuff”.

Sure, I’d like a nicer car etc… But I always feel happy with life and not particularly stressed with the fact that someone else may be percieved to be doing better than me.

I have a good life, good friends and family, and a great wife. I’m happy. Maybe the problem is people being unable to enjoy what they have because of other people’s accomplishments being in their face 24/7 via social media?
 
Was it not the case in the past that a young person would work and marry at a young age (early 20’s).

Now it’s the case that the 20’s are for “finding yourself”. I had so many comments before my wedding that I was too young to get married and I should enjoy myself for a few more years.

There’s almost an expectation on young adults to have an extended period of immaturity and avoid the responsibilities of full adult life for as long as possible.

I get what you’re saying about situations like the one you mention. A lot of family breakdown makes for less emotionally stable children i would imagine. But I’ve had my share of problems (biological father who wasn’t/isn’t interested in my life at all)
and I don’t really have any emotional/mental health issues. I don’t think that can be all of it?
It’s a good portion of the reason why kids are less stable. It is likely that despite your father’s absence you had a parent who DID look out for your welfare. More and more frequently this is NOT the case. Having one absent and one involved parent is worlds away from having two parents who are completely self-involved and put their own desire for romantic relationships above the welfare of their children.
 
Maybe I’m just weird…but I actually don’t understand this feeling. I never feel like this. Even with facebook etc. I know some people do but I’ve never put a big emphasis on “stuff”.

Sure, I’d like a nicer car etc… But I always feel happy with life and not particularly stressed with the fact that someone else may be percieved to be doing better than me.

I have a good life, good friends and family, and a great wife. I’m happy. Maybe the problem is people being unable to enjoy what they have because of other people’s accomplishments being in their face 24/7 via social media?
Yeah, me too. I mean, I would love to travel and do all sorts of things that I can’t do now that I’m married with a child on the way, but I did choose this life, and I am happy with it.

But in the broader society, I do think it’s an issue, especially in a society where emphasis on happiness in God is not at all on people’s minds.
 
Yeah, I’m not sure myself why it bothers me so much. Maybe due to parental expectations? My parents cried when I didn’t get into an Ivy league school even though I got into a top 20 university, and are very career and success oriented. They’re very critical, as well, and always put a ton of pressure on me to “achieve.” I think I’ll feel better about all that when we can move to a reasonably affordable city and not be barely making it in a small apartment.
 
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It’s hard to say. I can think of a few possibilities, but I don’t have hard facts to back them up. One possibility is that society has become a much more crude and vulgar. People just seem to be angrier and meaner to each other. Few people have any manners. You have to have a thick skin these days, but some people haven’t developed this skill. They don’t respond well to all the verbal attacks and criticism.

Another possibility is how the media tries to feminize men. Men are taught to be more sensitive and understanding. At the same time, men are still expected to be strong leaders. Being a strong leader, making bold decisions, and speaking with authority all lead to more potential negative attention. But the men are taught to be sensitive. Rather than putting up their guard, they absorb the negativity and believe it more. They lose self-esteem and feel worthless. That leads straight to mental illness.

As others wrote, social media might cause problems. People only post the best things about themselves, so they appear perfect online. Then when people compare themselves to those online, they never measure up. Social media also exposes people to others they would probably never have met before. For example, a person might see a CEO on twitter and feel bad that they aren’t as successful. Years ago, that person would probably have never met the CEO and never know someone else was more successful. Social media leads to greater competition and tension. People feel like if they don’t keep up, they will be left behind.

A fourth possibility is the economy/jobs. It’s pretty easy to get a job these days but harder to move up in companies. There’s a large number of people working jobs outside their careers as well as many people working part time that want to work full time. At the same time, the cost of living has increased, so it’s harder for people to support themselves. There’s a lot more roommates having to live together or adult children living with parents. They see others living independent lives and feel bad about where they are at. This problem seems to be affecting men more than women. Women are graduating at higher rates, working at higher rates, and becoming independent sooner. It’s different at the top, where men still dominate, but at the bottom, women are succeeding more than men.

The last possibility I can think of is parenting. A lot of parents don’t really care about their children. They have their own interests and do the minimum for their children. They send them to school and buy them the basic stuff they need, but they don’t spend time with the children, teach them basic skills or values. As you can imagine, these children grow up not prepared at all for independent life. Suddenly, all these responsibilities are thrown on them at once, and they can’t take it. If they were exposed more slowly over the years by their parents, they would handle it much more easily. Also, so many families do not have a father living in the household. This could be the cause of men having more trouble these days.
 
Yes, acceptance is fine and good–but I’m not seeing where greater acceptance is leading to better cure rates.

Actually, a lot of people seem to wallow in their ineptitude (this is how I am! People should accept me the way I am!) and there are plenty of online support group forums that encourage people to hide out at home and not try to reach out and interact with others.
 
Without the internet, all those kids who can’t seem to hack life would have been invisible.
I rather think that most of them would have stepped up and learned social skills to stave off loneliness.
Some of them would never learn skills under any circumstance, but a lot of kids are being lost because they have other options that don’t involve discomfort or taking any risk whatsoever.
 
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Without the internet, all those kids who can’t seem to hack life would have been invisible.
I rather think that most of them would have stepped up and learned social skills to stave off loneliness.
Some of them would never learn skills under any circumstance, but a lot of kids are being lost because they have other options that don’t involve discomfort or taking any risk whatsoever.
I don’t know.

One of my favorite priests was a “late vocation” He lived his entire adult life in a small apartment and went to his job where he was a “shove the food under the door” type electrical engineer.

It was only when he was in his 60’s and realized he might have a vocation that he used the internet to search what to do. He entered the seminary at age 65.

The internet is just a tool.

As someone who found all her jobs, her colleges, and her spouse online when IRL options were a TOTAL failure, I am glad that the internet made my life possible. Heck, if you count the computer NFP the internet is the reason I have a kid. And I’m about 99% sure that my life would be really miserable had there been no internet.
 
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