Are politically liberal Catholics happy with the Pope's new encyclical?

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I want this thread to stay clean (and open). I don’t want anyone to get in trouble. So as a reminder, discussions of particular political parties or figures are not allowed in the Social Justice forum. Be careful when posting.
 
Probably the same way anti-liberals felt about all the stuff the Pope has said about the poor. 👍
 
Probably the same way anti-liberals felt about all the stuff the Pope has said about the poor. 👍
An orthodox (small “o”) Catholic by definition has no problem with anything the Pope teaches. And that’s what I am.
 
I didn’t see anything political in it. I do not get the question? 🤷
 
I honestly do not understand the purpose of this question.

Do you really think “liberal” Catholics or any Catholics for that matter rejoice in unstableB] unions of men and women???

Do you really think that “liberal” Catholics do not think family is important?

And BTW, what is a “liberal” Catholic?
 
They will probably ignore that part or begin grumbling about Pope Francis the way they did about Pope Benedict XVI.
 
I didn’t see anything political in it. I do not get the question? 🤷
By politically liberal Catholics, I mean Catholics on the left, the ones who hope that the Catholic Church will one day give a stamp of approval to abortion, euthanasia, so-called “same-sex marriage”, etc. From what I’ve seen, they seemed to want to believe that this Pope was the one they were waiting for to make all of these radical changes to the Church. But as we see, it didn’t happen. This actually happened in much the same way when Pope John Paul II was first elected. The politically liberal Catholics liked him at first but then turned on him once they found out he wasn’t going to make the changes they wanted. By the way, I’m calling them “politically liberal Catholics” rather than just “liberal Catholics” because some people will say that there’s a difference between the two. I personally don’t see the difference.
 
Not sure what you Americans mean by liberal.

Aren’t all American political parties pro gay marriage and pro abortion?

In Canada all of ours are.

Probably the same in Britain and Australia too.

So I imagine by some definitions anyone that voted in those four countries is a liberal.

I’m lucky I actually have a pro-life/anti-gay marriage, Catholic government minister as my MP!👍
 
Not sure what you Americans mean by liberal.

Aren’t all American political parties pro gay marriage and pro abortion?
No. America still has a two-party system with many heated battles between them on these issues. A most recent example is an anti-abortion law that’s trying to get passed in Texas. It’s almost like a civil war between the two parties (as per CAF rules, I won’t mention their names).
 
An orthodox (small “o”) Catholic by definition has no problem with anything the Pope teaches. And that’s what I am.
I like that definition. Popes teach truly. Some don’t teach enough (or don’t get their true message out there enough at times). And if one would ask even some of us “o”-rthodox Catholics what they thought of the Pope’s latest encyclical, or for that matter any encyclical that person might see the questioned one gulp hard with an “uh-oh” look upon their face. :eek:

As to the question proffered in the thread title - I am not a “politically liberal Catholic” myself and can’t answer for them. I am a “personally liberal Catholic” in some respects (that might not agree with the most popular interpretations of the word liberal. IOW I believe I should be “liberal” in giving one’s OWN time, money, love, knowledge, counsel, and prayers to those around them who need help. That said, to the question.

This was a substantial bit of work on the part of Francis. Per the light of the question, I did find one excerpt (the paragraphs are long too - and this ONE graf I have broken into several pieces for easier analysis) that seems to hit upon something some “poitical liberals” might not like. The longstanding view that man is the crown of nature and has a place of a responsible steward of it < this last sentence is mine, not Francis’.
Excerpt from section titled : A light for life in society
  1. How many benefits has the gaze of Christian faith brought to the city of men for their common life! Thanks to faith we have come to understand the unique dignity of each person, something which was not clearly seen in antiquity.
  1. In the second century the pagan Celsus reproached Christians for an idea that he considered foolishness and delusion: namely, that God created the world for man, setting human beings at the pinnacle of the entire cosmos. “Why claim that [grass] grows for the benefit of man, rather than for that of the most savage of the brute beasts?”[46] “If we look down to Earth from the heights of heaven, would there really be any difference between our activities and those of the ants and bees?”[47]
  1. At the heart of biblical faith is God’s love, his concrete concern for every person, and his plan of salvation which embraces all of humanity and all creation, culminating in the incarnation, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
  1. Without insight into these realities, there is no criterion for discerning what makes human life precious and unique. Man loses his place in the universe, he is cast adrift in nature, either renouncing his proper moral responsibility or else presuming to be a sort of absolute judge, endowed with an unlimited power to manipulate the world around him.
Section (paragraph) 1: It’s not ALL liberals. But I have met some that would disagree with most of this. Per statement: Some only portray Christianity as a negative, having brought worse evils upon “man” than any others and so it must be criticized more until it is gone - THEN shall they move on to other “bad things” besides “organized religion” of which the oldest and foremost one is Catholicism.

The dignity of each person of course would include the unborn. And does not agree with the justified class warfare which seems to be mandatory prerequisite for one to be considered “a politically liberal” person - so much so that a “politically liberal Catholic” must be so in THAT order to maintain their cred … barely acceptable would be the well crafted bit of sophistry " I’m pro-life. But I don’t believe in forcing my religion on anyone!" < This is like multiplying by zero - the second part cancels out and swallows the substance and morality of the first statement, IMO.

Section 2: A second century pagan view that is still re-echoed today in liberal circles. Though in 1800 years the absurdity has “evolved” to: Man is no more than an animal. A positively mutated monkey who has overpopulated himself and endangered the planet. Man ought not have more rights than a spotted owl, or a snail darter. Saving the lives of THESE are important. Unborn humans (an overpopulated species) … not so much.

Section 3 while us small “o” orthodox Catholics see this as a perfectly sensible statement defining our faith … some “political liberals” would blanche and call this “triumphalism”. There is such a thing. But the idea that Catholicism (and in fact Jesus) are in anywise “better than” anyone elses ideas on salvation … or philosophy of life … or subscription to another political or religious leader is " … just not open-minded" or socially “judgemental and divisive”.

Section 4 REALITIES? He SAID that? Oh, no he di-in’t! :eek: The man is implying more than ONE absolute! Which everyone KNOWS there aren’t any … and that another person’s truth is always just as good (that’s the liberal way of inclusion, diversity, tolerance, and unity in the knowledge that no one can know anything “for sure” and so relatively “it’s all the same, and doesn’t matter” therefore we can all have peace (unless someone starts THIS stuff up like FRANCIS!).

Again these “liberal views” aren’t the views of all liberals. But they’re fairly familiar views, and not conservative, and not very moderate, so by deduction … 🤷



This cartoon illustrated ONE important thing about relative morality and relativity in general. There can be an absolute truth in mathematics that is not negotiable. Doubt it if one will … don’t go building a bridge based on an emotional approximation of the needed prerequisites per strength, tension, etc.
 
No they are not happy. Liberalism insists that change is the only constant. Marriages of three or more persons will be next.
 
No. America still has a two-party system with many heated battles between them on these issues. A most recent example is an anti-abortion law that’s trying to get passed in Texas. It’s almost like a civil war between the two parties (as per CAF rules, I won’t mention their names).
I don’t see a political message in anything the Pope has said. He offers spiritual guidance, not political. It seems there might be a problem of people trying to interpret spiritual through political, or for some type political advantage. The Gospel is not meant to be a big stick to guide others into a particular political view. It is to guide us to His kingdom.
 
Both liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics can be humanitarian. For example, both immigration and subsidies for the aged, are humanitarian, but liberal. Excuse my ignorance, but what’s in the new encyclical that would make it to be favored by conservative Catholics more than liberal Catholics?
 
I am sorry. I am having a hard time understanding here. I thought ‘Politically Liberal’ and ‘Catholic’ were of a necessity mutually exclusive terms.:cool:
 
No they are not happy. Liberalism insists that change is the only constant. Marriages of three or more persons will be next.
I highlighted that second sentence of yours.

You may have an incisive insight there.

Ironic and overstated humor coming, couldn’t resist: > Since liberals seem as if they are never right (which is bad) – many are yet – forever CHANGING!

And Changing when you’ve been bad is the appropriate thing to do! A bit like being the prodigal son!

Maybe THIS is why liberals can embrace the perpetually wrong … they have changed, and THIS time might be right!

Conservatives are slow. They wait for the results, and actually accomplished positive change before they applaud the change so much. 🤷

Of course this is the view of a conservative (well an aspiring conservative … Christianity is hard to DO … and when I sin … I am often being “liberal” per the commandment I am breaking at the time. 😦 :crying:

So don’t get too riled at anything I say. I may be just telling myself OFF!

youtube.com/watch?v=Erzj1FdJc0I&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TL8WL5cz5gIfQ < here is something everyone might enjoy (for possibly different reasons). It is just a scene from a movie … but might be a parable on environmental alarmism, mob thinking, gun control, and the fact that all education is not necessarily GOOD education. 🙂
 
When the Nancy Pelosi version is adopted we are all in trouble
 
Probably the same way anti-liberals felt about all the stuff the Pope has said about the poor. 👍
Like how the Pope says that people should use their free will to avoid sinful behaviors (which leads to poverty in many cases)?
 
Liberals are never happy and that’s OK with me. God Bless Pope Francis; may he continue to make them more and more unhappy.
 
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