Are Protestant Sacramentals valid?

[GKMotley]

I’d like to see the answer.

 

[Episcopalian]

I’d like to see the answer.

I think it may be a matter of conscience. I’m not totally positive though.

I guess if a blessing is a secondary sacramental, like what was mentioned before, it might be invalid but licit?

 

[HopkinsReb]

I think there’s something in there about it being a show of support for an invalid Eucharist.

 

[GKMotley]

Musing, musing.

I’ve seen RCs receive a blessing at our rail.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Sounds like a lovely service.

Enjoy your ecumenical time.

 

[jschwartz]

I’m sure the Anglo-Catholic service is more high Catholic than the Roman Catholic services in the area. How many Roman churches these days have three vested ministers, an altar facing the east, include introit, gradual, offertory, communion, have choirs capable of singing beautiful motets and anthems, etc.?

 

[GKMotley]

We got all that, in our Anglo-Catholic parish, save for a choir. We use 3 cantors; we’re relatively small.

Got sacramentals, too.

But could our RC brethren visit, with an easy mind? Not up to us to say.

 

[jschwartz]

I would think that for Roman Catholics, the imposition of ashes is like Evensong or Matins. These are services of the Church that should be ecumenical, as they do not offer the Eucharist. If Roman Catholics would find it objectionable to have an Episcopal priest or deacon put ashes on their forehead, that’s a clear example of vindictiveness. Anglican Evensong was good enough for Pope Benedict to attend, and here in NYC, there have been Catholic priests attend Evensong at one of the Anglo-Catholic parishes. We even have a Catholic parish in Harlem offering Sunday Lenten Vespers, and the sermons are going to be on Women in the Bible, with scholars from Union Theological Seminary, Fordham, and even the Jewish Theological Seminary preaching!

 

[jschwartz]

The BCP has a service for imposing ashes. I think some RC churches offer the same outside the Mass.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

If Roman Catholics would find it objectionable to have an Episcopal priest or deacon put ashes on their forehead, that’s a clear example of vindictiveness.

While I agree with you that getting ashes from a clergyman of a different Christian faith is not prohibited as with the Eucharist, a Roman Catholic preferring their own clergyman is hardly vindictive, any more than a Roman Catholic choosing to skip the whole Anglo-Catholic service and attend his own church instead would be vindictive.

We are not obligated to affirmatively go interact with the clergy of other faiths in order to prove how tolerant we are.

 

[Francis]

Are Protestant Sacramentals valid?

if they were consecrated by Protestant priests/ministers.

No not valid .

there are different between sacraments and sacramental

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c4a1.htm

The characteristics of sacramentals

[1668] Sacramentals are instituted for the sanctification of certain ministries of the Church, certain states of life, a great variety of circumstances in Christian life, and the use of many things helpful to man. In accordance with bishops’ pastoral decisions, they can also respond to the needs, culture, and special history of the Christian people of a particular region or time. They always include a prayer, often accompanied by a specific sign, such as the laying on of hands, the sign of the cross, or the sprinkling of holy water (which recalls Baptism).

[1669] Sacramentals derive from the baptismal priesthood: every baptized person is called to be a “blessing,” and to bless.174 Hence lay people may preside at certain blessings; the more a blessing concerns ecclesial and sacramental life, the more is its administration reserved to the ordained ministry (bishops, priests, or deacons).175

[1670] Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. "For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows from the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power. There is scarcely any proper use of material things which cannot be thus directed toward the sanctification of men and the praise of God."176

 

[HopkinsReb]

Related question: can a non-Catholic receive ashes at a Catholic church? I’ll be downtown that day and won’t be able to get to my church, and I’d rather go to a Catholic church than an Episcopal church.

 

[HopkinsReb]

No problemo with a non-Catholic receiving ashes at a Catholic Church.

But do you mind me asking why not at the Episcopalian church-isn’t that the same as Anglican?

There are layers. Episcopalians are Anglicans, but I am not an Episcopalian (I’m a member of the Anglican Church in North America). I left the Episcopal Church over serious disagreements in practice and belief. Frankly, the only other church I’d be willing to belong to besides a conservative Anglican branch is the Catholic Church.

 

[GKMotley]

Sometimes it’s nerve wracking, too.

A score card is recommended.

 

[HopkinsReb]

Interesting. Thank you.

My wife wants to move back to Mississippi one day and, as much as I would love that in general, I’m fighting it because I don’t want there to be a fight over the fact that I’d refuse to join a church that lacks Apostolic Succession, like her family’s Presbyterian church.

 

[Thom18]

HopkinsReb, I edited my post because it was not clear.

When a rosary gets blessed, according to the Catholic catechism, there are two sacramentals here:

1. Rosary itself is a sacramental
2. The blessing is a second sacramental

If I get a rosary from any source, or any other prayer item from any source, regardless of whether it’s a Catholic source, and I use it to say Catholic prayers, I have Sacramental category (1) above.

But I can only get Sacramental category (2), the blessing on the object, from the priest having a valid apostolic succession, which generally means Catholic or Orthodox priest. A few Anglican priests might qualify as Motley and Picky have discussed, but not all of them across the board.

That’s what I was trying to communicate. Thanks for getting it in more detail than I was able.

 

[TULIPed]

We are not obligated to affirmatively go interact with the clergy of other faiths in order to prove how tolerant we are.

True this. But…love is patient, love is kind…

I as a Reformed Protestant am not obligated to go with my good friend to Mass when I’m invited. But sometimes I do because I love my friend, and I love my King and I know that both will be at Mass. I know Jesus will be there because he promised he would (“Wherever two or more are gathered in my name…”)

Wouldn’t it be great if at some point, we could see an invitation from a friend as something motivated only by a need to be together in the presence of Christ - and not an attempt to convert? Yes I know - we Protestants don’t “fully” have Christ with us in our “services”. I think even a little Jesus with a friend is a good thing, no?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Ash Wednesday is a wonderful Mass to share with non-Catholic and non-Christian friends. Anyone can receive the ashes.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

My father-in-law invited me to Presbyterian church once or twice. I am quite sure he was not trying to convert me. I said thank you, no. It wasn’t a big deal; his wife and sons didn’t go with him either. I also wasn’t being vindictive by refusing the invite. I simply preferred to either go to the Catholic church or stay home with the rest of the family (this was during a time when I was a sporadic Mass goer).

It’s okay to have a preference.

 

[TheLittleLady]

There are parishes who have distribution of ashes outside of Mass. That is perfectly valid as well.