Are Protestants in a way included in the Church?

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“Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”

But are Protestants included in the Church, although not in full communion? Here are some quotes from the Catechism (emphasis mine):

*"Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God… and to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation."320

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"321

**838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.”**323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.“324”

"I. THE CHURCH - PEOPLE OF GOD

781 "At all times and in every race, anyone who fears God and does what is right has been acceptable to him. He has, however, willed to make men holy and save them, not as individuals without any bond or link between them, but rather to make them into a people who might acknowledge him and serve him in holiness. He therefore chose the Israelite race to be his own people and established a covenant with it. He gradually instructed this people. . . . All these things, however, happened as a preparation for and figure of that new and perfect covenant which was to be ratified in Christ . . . the New Covenant in his blood; he called together a race made up of Jews and Gentiles which would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit."201

Characteristics of the People of God

782 The People of God is marked by characteristics that clearly distinguish it from all other religious, ethnic, political, or cultural groups found in history:
  • It is the People of God: God is not the property of any one people. But he acquired a people for himself from those who previously were not a people: "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation."202
- One becomes a member of this people not by a physical birth, but by being “born anew,” a birth "of water and the Spirit,"203 that is, by faith in Christ, and Baptism.
  • This People has for its Head Jesus the Christ (the anointed, the Messiah). Because the same anointing, the Holy Spirit, flows from the head into the body, this is “the messianic people.”
  • “The status of this people is that of the dignity and freedom of the sons of God, in whose hearts the Holy Spirit dwells as in a temple.”
  • "Its law is the new commandment to love as Christ loved us."204 This is the “new” law of the Holy Spirit.205
  • Its mission is to be salt of the earth and light of the world.206 This people is “a most sure seed of unity, hope, and salvation for the whole human race.”
  • Its destiny, finally, "is the Kingdom of God which has been begun by God himself on earth and which must be further extended until it has been brought to perfection by him at the end of time.“207”
"Wounds to unity

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers … All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity.“276”*

I don’t know if I’m taking these out of context or what. I’m worried about my Protestant family members and friends.
 
All baptized persons are members of the Church through Baptism. Baptized Protestants are not reconciled with the Church, but they’re members. Unbaptized Protestants are basically in the same situation as catechumens – ie, they follow Christ but they haven’t been initiated into the Church.

If Protestants honestly don’t know any better than what they’ve been taught, they are not sinning by not joining the Church. They would be better off if they did know better and did join; but it’s not a “go directly to Hell, do not pass GO, do not collect 200 dollars” kind of situation.

So try to convert your relatives and pray for them, living and dead; but don’t lose hope either way.
 
All baptized persons are members of the Church through Baptism. Baptized Protestants are not reconciled with the Church, but they’re members. Unbaptized Protestants are basically in the same situation as catechumens – ie, they follow Christ but they haven’t been initiated into the Church.

If Protestants honestly don’t know any better than what they’ve been taught, they are not sinning by not joining the Church. They would be better off if they did know better and did join; but it’s not a “go directly to Hell, do not pass GO, do not collect 200 dollars” kind of situation.

So try to convert your relatives and pray for them, living and dead; but don’t lose hope either way.
Thank you for the response. 🙂
 
It’s been an hour and a half. Any takers?
Salvation is given as a gift to those who believe in Him!

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3
 
All baptized persons are members of the Church through Baptism. Baptized Protestants are not reconciled with the Church, but they’re members. Unbaptized Protestants are basically in the same situation as catechumens – ie, they follow Christ but they haven’t been initiated into the Church.

If Protestants honestly don’t know any better than what they’ve been taught, they are not sinning by not joining the Church. They would be better off if they did know better and did join; but it’s not a “go directly to Hell, do not pass GO, do not collect 200 dollars” kind of situation.

So try to convert your relatives and pray for them, living and dead; but don’t lose hope either way.
Perfect answer. I look forward to the day when all are reconciled and I do believe that day will come when we are all in Communion together. After all, we all believe in Jesus Christ and I wish we could all be together as one Body in Christ. It did start out that way when Jesus appointed Peter but stuff happened and …
 
Thanks for the answers so far. Anyone else want to answer too?
Yes. By virtue of one’s baptism they belong to the Body of Christ;however, they (non-Catholics) have divorced themselves from the church.
 
Salvation is given as a gift to those who believe in Him!

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3
Sorry,but it takes a lot more than belief to be saved. Second, the above verse has to do with redemption,not salvation.
 
Yes. By virtue of one’s baptism they belong to the Body of Christ;however, they (non-Catholics) have divorced themselves from the church.
I’m not sure that’s what the CC teaches. "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . "

Jon
 
I’m not sure that’s what the CC teaches. "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . "

Jon
And this is why I went straight to your post after # 1…
Well, that and pretty much all your posts in general…
👍
 
Yes. By virtue of one’s baptism they belong to the Body of Christ;however, they (non-Catholics) have divorced themselves from the church.
Not wittingly. How can anyone divorce that which they did not know? I would think only those who embraced the faith and then willfully left.
I wished had known differently sooner…
 
Sorry,but it takes a lot more than belief to be saved. Second, the above verse has to do with redemption,not salvation.
Hi Nicea325,
Perhaps you’re right!

Is that why Jesus says …??

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3

and

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”John 6
Second, the above verse has to do with redemption,not salvation.
What’s the difference?
 
Hi SteveVH,
The demons believe in Jesus. 😉
And shutter!

19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.James 2
. I think there is a little more to it than that. 😉
I do too. I think the “believe” Jesus is talking about in John 3

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Is the “believe” Abraham had in Gen 15

6 Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness.

the way Paul talks about it in Romans 4

4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
 
Hi Nicea325,
Perhaps you’re right!

Is that why Jesus says …??

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3

and

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”John 6

What’s the difference?
Yes…but you cannot just isolate that verse from all the NT. What is the difference? Many people believe they are saved already. If that is the case then why would Jesus even bother to found a living church on earth, if we are ALL saved no matter the circumstances?
 
Yes…but you cannot just isolate that verse from all the NT. What is the difference? Many people believe they are saved already. If that is the case then why would Jesus even bother to found a living church on earth, if we are ALL saved no matter the circumstances?
Agreed!

Jon
 
Hi SteveVH,

I do too. I think the “believe” Jesus is talking about in John 3

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Is the “believe” Abraham had in Gen 15

6 Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness.

the way Paul talks about it in Romans 4

4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
My point is that “believing” requires us to do something, not just sit on our couch and “believe”. Christ tells us that “Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” (John 14:21)

So if we believe in Jesus we must love Jesus and to love Jesus we must keep his commands. That means that we must feed the hungry, clothe the naked, spread the Gospel, eat his body and blood, and everything else which he has commanded. Love requires action in order to be realized.
 
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