Are Roman Catholics too senstive?

[Prodigal_Son1]

Oh… I read much more than just the Scriptures. However, I believe special divine revelation is contained in the Scriptures.

Where does that belief come from? It’s not scriptural. How do you reconcile those with a different interpretation than yours?

 

[EVANGELION]

Why can’t we all be honest? If you’re really a person named Reformed who was banned before and are now going by Underdog, why won’t you say so or deny it?

 

[JonNC]

Jon,
How about this source?

On the Eucharist

Luther regarded the Mass as an abomination, all the worse because at its heart was the most important of all Christian ceremonies: the re-enactment of the Last Supper. Luther stripped away all the extra rituals but left the core event, the taking of bread and wine. You will notice that both wine and bread were part of the Lutheran communion. He, like the Hussites, could find no Biblical justification for excluding the faithful from the full commemoration.

Very early on, however, the question was raised as to the nature of what transpired at communion. The Catholics taught that the bread and wine were, at the moment of the elevation of the Host, miraculously transformed by the Holy Ghost into the actual body and blood of Christ. This transformed substance retained the appearance of bread and wine, but its essence was truly changed. It was no longer bread and wine.

Luther rejected this, but he had some difficulty describing what exactly did happen. His position by about 1524 was that of consubstantiation: that the bread remained bread, the wine remained wine, and the body and blood of Christ were present. Both were there together. Other reformers (e.g., Zwingli) argued that the bread remained only bread, the wine only wine, and that communion was only a commemoration and nothing more. Luther would not go that far. For him, the communion meal had to retain its essentially miraculous nature.

idbsu.edu/courses/reformation/luther/23.shtml

Not a Lutheran’s rendition, as the writer uses the term consubstantiation, a term rejected by lutherans. That said, it is not far off. But to say “Luther would not go that far”, is quite an understatment. He never went anywhere near Zwingli’s position.
An intersting read here:
usccb.org/seia/luthrc_eucharist_1968.shtml

Jon

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Why can’t we all be honest? If you’re really a person named Reformed who was banned before and are now going by Underdog, why won’t you say so or deny it?

Denying would be untruthful, admitting it would mean being banned for circumvention of moderator actions…

What he’s overlooking is, he’s already told me he wasn’t living in the Pacific Northwest.

 

[KingAlfred]

It seems some Roman Catholics are over-sensitive and very aggressive when discussing Christianity with non-Catholic Christians. Truth belongs to God and not a particular Christian community. What do you think?

I’ve always viewed it the other way around.

 

[Church_Militant]

Old Man Tradition is not the same as Sacred Tradition. Actually, I embrace much of what you may call Sacred Tradition as truth.

There’s no “Old man Tradition” in the Catholic Church. There is only Sacred Tradition as concerning doctrines.

You guys have no interest to discuss things that will grow all Christians in their love for Jesus Christ, do you?

Oh, we do just fine without all the Protestant errant doctrinal (name removed by moderator)ut and there more threads here at CAF that do indeed grow Catholics more deeply in love with the Lord Jesus Christ, but you don’t post on those either, and when you do post, it’s disruptive n-C rhetoric that results in debate.

Gotta admit it, either you are “Reformed” and are circumventing the ban, or you like his posts and are copying him. Which is it?

Notice he didn’t answer that.

I have asked CWBetts, Prodigal, and Ashley to please start a thread that will help grow all Christians in their love for Christ. What is their reaction but more heretic hunting? Maybe you guys really love the Roman Catholic church more than God Himself? I can’t read your hearts, but I can sure read your postings. Do you really think Heaven will have divisions of Roman Catholic, Protestants, Anglicans, and Orthodox labels?

This is all just silly talk that the New Testament tells us to avoid in 2nd Timothy 2:16.

It’s so lame to make remarks like that when you are a guest on a Catholic forum. What did you expect…the Southern Baptist Convention?

In Ephesians chapter 4, we are told to speak the truth in love. Who is really loving the Mormon according to Scripture, me or you?

Don’t know, but the two of you can sit around and argue over your interpretations of scripture til hell freezes over and will get nowhere because it’s just an argument of men’s opinions. You have no way to prove they are contradictory to Christian teachings because you do not know, and cannot cite the early church in support of what you profess to believe. So you’ll argue in circles.

Why can’t we all be honest? If you’re really a person named Reformed who was banned before and are now going by Underdog, why won’t you say so or deny it?

Yeah, go ahead and deny that you’re Reformed and that you are in the Pacific Northwest.

Don’t you feel at all bad (before the Lord Jesus Christ!) for lying in a religious matter? Or is lying not a sin in your particular faith community?

I have seen some people on these and other forums, who having done things that are egregious enough to get them banned, they then circumvent that ban in order to return and harass the members.

I quit one Catholic online evangelistic forum group when they told me that they encouraged this kind of circumvention on forums that they deemed anti-Catholic and I have seen some a-Cs do the same thing on Catholic forums.

It is, IMO one of the worst kinds of “witness” for Christ, and I lose respect for the people that I see doing it, no matter what faith community they come from. I frankly think that it is sinful.

In reading the Bible and in studying the Catholic faith, I have found the following insights which I feel apply.

 Quote:

CHAPTER TWO
“YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF”

ARTICLE 8
THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.253

It was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn."254

2464 The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.

Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, nor by the earth, nor by any other oath. But let your speech be, yea, yea: no, no: that you fall not under judgment.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

How’s the heretic hunting comming along good old Prodigal?

npatrol:
:manvspc:

 

[wcknight]

Oh… I read much more than just the Scriptures. However, I believe special divine revelation is contained in the Scriptures.

But how many versions of divine revelations are there ? Shouldn’t there just be one. ??? IF each person who reads the Bible gets 'special divine revelation, then shouldn’t they all come up with the same exact interpretation every time ?

The one huge PLUS that the Catholic Church has over all other denominations is that we have ONE and ONLY one official interpretation for scriptures, not several hundred or several thousand or even millions coming from individual ‘special revelations’.

I don’t think we’re too sensitive, we’re just adamant that we are correct and we resent folks telling us, we are idol worshippers or Satanists or Mary worshippers or all going to H*** simply because we are Catholic.

 

[EVANGELION]

Underdog’s gone; he got banned… again.

 

[reteeks21]

Underdog’s gone; he got banned… again.

Thank God! He’ll be back, though. I’m sure of it.

 

[RubyT]

Watch for names like Felix the Cat or Micky Mouse. I have been praying for the authority figures to make the right decisions. I didn’t expect my prayer to be answered so quickly. Thank you Lord. :clapping:

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

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[Prodigal_Son1]

Watch for names like Felix the Cat or Micky Mouse. I have been praying for the authority figures to make the right decisions. I didn’t expect my prayer to be answered so quickly. Thank you Lord. :clapping:

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

:christmastree1: :christmastree1: :christmastree1:

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s probably is a duck…or maybe a Reformed underdog.

Catholics On Patrol npatrol:

Merry Christmas!
:christmastree1:

 

[Soutane]

Ta-ta underdog/reformed/whoeveryouarenexttime.Deceit is a sin.

 

[Henning]

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bye Underdog