Are Sexual Offense Laws Too Harsh? And Do They Work?

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Are Sexual Offense Laws Too Harsh? And Do They Work?

BUFFALO, N.Y. – University at Buffalo Law School Professor Charles Patrick Ewing has added to his series of critically acclaimed books on some of the most unsavory but attention-grabbing aspects of the law, this time with a book questioning the legal logic and effectiveness of the country’s increasingly harsh sex offense laws.
In “Justice Perverted,” Ewing examines what he calls “radically reshaped” laws dealing with the country’s sex offenders. These laws include ordering sex offenders to register with authorities, punishment for people possessing child pornography that “dwarfs” sentences for more violent crimes, including murder, and a federal law that requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence for those using the Internet to lure minors for sex.

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No they are not too harsh. I would say that they are not harsh enough. What these monsters do to others affects them for their entire lives and as such the punishment given to these monsters should also affect them for their entire lives. That is called justice.

But what you are getting out of this pathetically sex crazed society of ours is that hey sex is great and cannot be all that bad so why not allow children to have sex? Why not have sex with your best friend? Why not have sex with your teacher? Why not have sex with your father or mother? This is the path that we are going because deep down there are more and more people like this idiot that wrote this book, who are selfish and are only into self gratificaiton.

God bless
 
Not harsh enough. There should be no statute of limitations especially for offenses against children.
 
I have thought, and still think, there should be a category of crime simply called gross inhumanity (there is in international law) that calls for the death penalty. Child rape and forcible rape, and serial rape would certainly all be in that category as far as I’m concerned. On the other side of fence, some (but certainly not all) of the statutory rape laws probably have outlived their relevance.
 
I don’t think they are too harsh. Even for the people who are caught in the “having voluntary sex with my underage girlfriend situation” Laws are laws and actions have consequences. I’m sorry but if you got caugth with a computer full of Child Porn, and you live next door to me and my kids…I have a right to know.
 
I’m not sure we are capable of translating the gravity of an offence into an adequate number of years in prison, although I hope that God guides legislators and judges in this respect. I, myself, a criminal trial lawyer (non-practicing, though), don’t know how much is enough or too much. What I’m worried about is low sentence for “simple” rape in some jurisdictions, as well as arguments used in their defence. I see in my own system sentences for battery that are higher than those for rape. It’s made me wonder if you don’t actually receive a smaller penalty for the same crime with the rape element than without it.

Also, my view is that governments need to crack down on rape drugs very, very seriously, also sending a clear message to plotting youngsters that what they are scheming to do is not accepted by this society.

As for registration, offenders’ rights can and should give way to victim rights. Still not beyond reason, as nobody should suffer a penalty beyond reason in the light of his crime, but registering sex offenders may provide valuable security. Still, I’d focus on this security instead of vindictive stigmatisation. Being pointed with fingers all the time and living in danger of life or health from people who won’t suffer a sex offender to live (or live in peace) is not, in my view, just punishment. Punishment should always have a medicinal touch to it and enable rehabilitation. Preventing re-integration may prevent the return to a law-abiding life, which would not be in the interest of the society.
 
Of course Sexual Offense Laws aren’t too Harsh!

But if one thoroughly studies Rape Statistics alone its not difficult to see that Long or Short Prison terms show any deterrent whatsoever.

How have the Laws of Human Justice really put a dent in curbing heavily laden crimes like Rape and Murder?

The Crimes of Rape, Incest and Sexual Assault will always far exceed that of the Crimes of Murder.

The country of the United States has the highest Rape Statistics in the world.

One Rape Every Three Seconds…Count them 1, 2, 3. = Another Rape

The worst Rape Statistics in the World reside on the entire continent of Africa.

An Appalling SEVEN PEOPLE ARE RAPED EVERY SECOND!!!

Do the Laws of Human Justice Do Anything To Verily Speak About To Curb Rape Statistics that make it worthy of mention?

I Think NOT
 
This “professor” is a part of the problem.

Lets take child pornography as just one example that he feels is treated too harshly. How about the fact that someone, somewhere is using little children sexually, taking photos, for YOUR gratification? Is the harm done to those children, harm that is supported by your purchase of these materials, simply to be ignored? Is the fact that you are causing this harm to those children, by purchasing those materials, to be condoned? I think that the laws concerning this are far too lenient.

Personally, I think that anyone that uses the Internet to lure children into sex should be shot on the spot.

I advocate an “open season” on such animals.

Rapists should be turned over to their victims, who should be allowed to do anything to them that they wish. They OWN the perp, permanently! I would be willing to bet that the incidence of rape would drop dramatically.

Child molesters should become the property of the parents of the child, to be punished as they see fit.

Parents that molest or severely abuse their own children should simply be executed.

And if the other parent condoned this behavior, or did nothing to stop it; tie their tubes or castrate them so they can’t have any more children, and take away any and all children that they have PERMANENTLY.
 
centurionguard said:
The Crimes of Rape, Incest and Sexual Assault will always far exceed that of the Crimes of Murder.
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I used to agree with that statement but then what about the fact that the murderer is sending someone to the grave without the benefit of sacramental confession?
 
chevalier said:
I used to agree with that statement but then what about the fact that the murderer is sending someone to the grave without the benefit of sacramental confession?
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I’m not being indifferent to those who suffer crimes of murder or the point you bring up.

The point I was trying to stress is that the crime of RAPE and the number of Victims effected by it will always supercede the number of victims effected by Murder.

With Murder sadly a life is unjustifiably taken.

With Rape cognitive death often occurs in many victims.

Both crimes are often associated with irreparable stigma and psychological trauma.

You’ll have to forgive me…being a Victim of Gang-Rape and torture at Gunpoint; I am sometimes hard-pressed personally to see which crime against me would have been worse. Obviously; the thought of myself having been Murdered would have been the easy way out. And of course I wouldn’t be speaking here.

All I can say is that there have been numerous times in my life I would have preferred Death than living the lifelong Aftermath and Stigma of the Rape I have gone through.

But by the same token I am humbly honored to be able to share in some of the sufferings that Jesus went through, which was far more unfathomably inconceivable.

Perhaps that is the greatest blessing that I can bespeak.

Peace
Chris
 
I find the article to be absolutely pathetic and disgusting.

The title refers to “laws”, which is plural, so where is the reference to numerous laws? The only reference I see is to that regarding pedophile sex. I see nothing regarding homosexuality, adultery, and fornication among adults, or abortion or contraception. I’m glad to see that a number of forum members believe in the death penalty for sex offenses, but in the Bible, it doesn’t distinguish between death for homosexuality or adultery between only adults or adults and children, consenting or not. Actually, pedophilia isn’t even explicitly mentioned in the Bible, and there is only a possibility of a veiled mention.

The distinction not only didn’t exist in Biblical times, it didn’t even exist when I was a kid. Adult men that liked boys were homosexuals. I had a typing teacher in ninth grade, in 1972, that sexually assaulted a student outside of school, and although the term “Gay” was not in use yet in that local culture, we used the same terms for him that we used for other homosexuals, which began with “q” and “f”. Only in today’s society, where rampant immorality is so widely accepted not only as acceptable, but even wonderful, is there a need for a distinction between immorality involving only adults, and adults and children. Only in today’s society, are the majority of the immoral made righteous, not through any work of Christ, but by the laws of our governments, which make the majority righteous, and a small minority the scapegoats for all sinners.

Maybe the article is pathetic and disgusting because that’s the state of the laws in our society.
 
It is appealing and rather easy to make blanket statements about the evil of sexual criminals. However there are some other considerations. The purpose of criminal law is to both punish and deter.
First consider deterence. I, and I assume most of you, would not rape or murder anyone regardless of it’s legal or religious prohibition. There is no deterrent affect. Out of the section of the population that might commit a sexual crimes and require deterence let’s divide them into two groups. Those that might commit wrong acts and those who might commit depraved acts. A person who might rape an adult or engage in sex with a teenager is doing something wrong, but it is not necessarally depraved. A person who has sex with a prepubescent child, or digs up corpses to have their way with them is clearly depraved.
Can the treat of punishment have a significant deterrent affect on the depraved? I doubt it. It may make us feel better to have heavy punishments for such things. But it probably does not make our children safer.
Should the insane be punished? If yes to what degree. Are they actually acountable for their actions? Again these things may make us feel better, but may not be of much use.

There are other points I want to make regarding this issue, but they will wait for another time. By the way I am not saying these things should not be illegal. It is just that we should recognize that these laws and punishment probably have little affect on the incidence if these acts
 
mcteague said:
A person who has sex with a prepubescent child, or digs up corpses to have their way with them is clearly depraved.
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A prophet of a major world religion married one of his wives when she was six, and consummated that marriage when she was 9, and he was 54. Where does that leave him?
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
A prophet of a major world religion married one of his wives when she was six, and consummated that marriage when she was 9, and he was 54. Where does that leave him?
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I am not sure what your point is? It seems obvious to me that there is a difference between some who is aroused by seconday sexual characteristics and someone who is aroused by a head of cabbage.
 
Catholic Boy 1957 said:
I find the article to be absolutely pathetic and disgusting.

The title refers to “laws”, which is plural, so where is the reference to numerous laws? The only reference I see is to that regarding pedophile sex. I see nothing regarding homosexuality, adultery, and fornication among adults, or abortion or contraception. I’m glad to see that a number of forum members believe in the death penalty for sex offenses, but in the Bible, it doesn’t distinguish between death for homosexuality or adultery between only adults or adults and children, consenting or not. Actually, pedophilia isn’t even explicitly mentioned in the Bible, and there is only a possibility of a veiled mention.

The distinction not only didn’t exist in Biblical times, it didn’t even exist when I was a kid. Adult men that liked boys were homosexuals. I had a typing teacher in ninth grade, in 1972, that sexually assaulted a student outside of school, and although the term “Gay” was not in use yet in that local culture, we used the same terms for him that we used for other homosexuals, which began with “q” and “f”. Only in today’s society, where rampant immorality is so widely accepted not only as acceptable, but even wonderful, is there a need for a distinction between immorality involving only adults, and adults and children. Only in today’s society, are the majority of the immoral made righteous, not through any work of Christ, but by the laws of our governments, which make the majority righteous, and a small minority the scapegoats for all sinners.

Maybe the article is pathetic and disgusting because that’s the state of the laws in our society.
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The distinction not only didn’t exist in Biblical times, it didn’t even exist when I was a kid. Adult men that liked boys were homosexuals. I had a typing teacher in ninth grade, in 1972, that sexually assaulted a student outside of school, and although the term “Gay” was not in use yet in that local culture, we used the same terms for him that we used for other homosexuals, which began with “q” and “f”.
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What you state here is a Bias Myth. Every-time a man is either the Assailant or the Victim; the uneducated bias world automatically pigeonholes both as Homosexual/Gay.

When I was Gang-Raped I wasn’t gay, nor am I gay now living the aftermath.
By the same token, my assailants, two men and one woman were not gay either.

In these last thirty some odd years I have gotten my hands on every type of unbiased research I could lay my hands on about Rape in the United States, the U.K., Australia, Africa and my own country Canada.

In conclusion from a summary of innumerable psychiatric and psycho-therapeutic studies particularly when it comes to men who fall victims to rape, sexual identity of the male victim is divided nearly 50% between the victim being gay or heterosexual.

The Majority of men who are victims of rape don’t come forward to seek professional help due to the stigma and bias society places on all male rape victims.

I’ve read a number of psychiatric/psychotherapist reports that state if the majority of male rape victims who remain in hiding were to seek professional help it would shocking reveal that the majority of men who fall victims to rape are indeed heterosexual.

Shocking to say the very least, living in a world of bias ignorance.

There is NO viable force in this world that will take the majority of men who live in vulnerable stigma and pain from the horrid aftermath of rape and give them reason enough to come out of their hiding to seek secular professional psychotherapy help.

How good is psychotherapy for male rape victims today?

I give it a C minus.

That makes me an oddball Asexual/Heterosexual male rape victim who took risks to seek professional help.

Peace
Chris
 
I should point out that it was the teacher that was referred to using the “q” and “f” names, not the student who, as far as I know, was never thought of as homosexual.

The school district didn’t even have the decency to shuffle the teacher to another building, let alone fire him, but demoted him to janitor, which made the students lament that it was like dying and going to heaven for him, as he spent his entire day in the boys lavatory. Then people complain about the bishops shuffling priests. This made no sense either.

I am very sorry to learn of your situation, and you have my sympathy. What psychotherapy can do is probably very limited after it has already happened, as it cannot make it unhappen.
 
mcteague said:
I am not sure what your point is? It seems obvious to me that there is a difference between some who is aroused by seconday sexual characteristics and someone who is aroused by a head of cabbage.
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There was no point. I asked for your opinion, and got it. The founder of that religion is depraved. I’m happy. 🙂
 
I have often said that I am opposed to the registration of sexual offenders because I don’t believe they should be out of prison.
 
Jack said:
I have often said that I am opposed to the registration of sexual offenders because I don’t believe they should be out of prison.
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I’m in total agreement with you on this one.

In the eyes of Governments and the National Justice System the Crime of Rape against any individual is seen nothing but a big farce if one goes by Jail Time Statistics with many First Time offenders re-offending innocent people.

Makes me wonder if a minimum statue of 25 years with NO possibility of parole should be standard to get these prowling animals off the bloody street.

I’ve even heard suggestions that there should be a mandatory law where all rapists especial those who rape children should be automatically castrated.

mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html

momaroo.com/691713052/jail-time-for-sex-offenders-is-not-long-enough/

wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/06/53075

sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/sex_offender_sentencing/
 
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