Are slightly offensive jokes sinful?

[Jump4Joy]

Sounds complex. So some people are meant to be saints and others serial killers. I don’t know if I want to know just yet. I’ll probably feel upset somewhere between sad and angry.

 

[joeybaggz]

God’s Permissive Will allowed them to rise to power, and everything they did was overseen by the Sovereign King.

God’s permissive nature allowed them to rise to power. God’s Will is stated in the Ten Commandments. I don’t see anything about genocide there. But maybe you do.

Logic and reason like yours are probably why 78% of baptized Catholics no longer practice the faith.

 

[Spyridon]

God’s Will is stated in the Ten Commandments. I don’t see anything about genocide there. But maybe you do.

Logic and reason like yours are probably why 78% of baptized Catholics no longer practice the

God has two Wills.

His Holy and Perfect Will, and his Permissive Will.

If you want to believe in a deistic god who isn’t in control of human history, you’re free to do that.

I believe in the God of Abraham who is the Master of History, the Sovereign Ruler of Mankind, and the King of kings.

It wouldn’t bother me if 99% of people on Earth lost Faith - I would still believe in the Almighty.

 

[joeybaggz]

It wouldn’t bother me if 99% of people on Earth lost Faith - I would still believe in the Almighty.

So do I. I just wonder if we are talking about the same Almighty?

 

[Spyridon]

So do I. I just wonder if we are talking about the same Almighty?

The Almighty I speak of is the Master of History, Sovereign over humanity, the King of kings and LORD of lords Jesus Christ.

As the Prophet says in the 38th verse of the 3rd chapter of the Book of Lamentations - “Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
that both calamities and good things come?”

And again the Prophet speaketh in the 7th verse of the 45th chapter of the Book of Isaiah - " I form light and create darkness,
I make weal and create woe,
I am the Lord, who do all these things."

In another place the Prophet Daniel says “All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’”

And again, Moses saith “‘See now that I, even I, am he,
and there is no god beside me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.”

 

[Francis]

He does it through you and me simple.

Romans 13;1-7 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

 

[Francis]

Wisdom 1:For wisdom is a kindly spirit
and will not free a blasphemer from the guilt of his words;
because God is witness of his inmost feelings,
and a true observer of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.
7 Because the Spirit of the Lord has filled the world,
and that which holds all things together knows what is said;
8 therefore no one who utters unrighteous things will escape notice,
and justice, when it punishes, will not pass him by.
9 For inquiry will be made into the counsels of an ungodly man,
and a report of his words will come to the Lord,
to convict him of his lawless deeds;
10 because a jealous ear hears all things,
and the sound of murmurings does not go unheard.
11 Beware then of useless murmuring,
and keep your tongue from slander;
because no secret word is without result,
and a lying mouth destroys the soul.

 

[Spyridon]

Beware then of useless murmuring,

and keep your tongue from slander;

because no secret word is without result,

and a lying mouth destroys the soul.

Excellent post.

OP - I think between the verses I posted from Ephesians and these verses from Wisdom, your question should be answered.

 

[Francis]

Why are people mean then? This is part of Christianity I don’t understand and honestly don’t like. What’s the point of freewill anyways? Isn’t that like fate or destiny if God is automatically in control?

Man is responsible for his own doings,what make you blame God?as it is written in Ecclesiastes 7:29 Behold, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many devices.2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.1 Peter 2:16 Live as free men, yet without using your freedom as a pretext for evil; but live as servants of God. (Free will then should be with responsibility)

Why does God allow suffering? If someone chooses to slaughter 6 million Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, that’s just how it was meant to be?

God allow sufferings because it is good for our purification we get grace as in Romans 5:2 Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God. 3 More than that, we[d] rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

Man has killed man ,how come God is responsible ?
Wisdom 1:13 because God did not make death,and he does not delight in the death of the living.
14 For he created all things that they might exist,and the generative forces of the world are wholesome,and there is no destructive poison in them;and the dominion of Hades is not on earth.
15 For righteousness is immortal.’

Hebrews 12:3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. 4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons?—

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”

7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

 

[joeybaggz]

Francis and Spyridon. Very impressive use of scripture.

So, reading those posts, any form of criticism can be thought of as useless murmuring, especially by the person being the butt of the slightly offensive joke?

And criticism sprinkled with sarcasm is often considered humor. Often, slightly offensive, especially to the focus of the joke. And in reality, any correction of another, if not requested, is offensive. By the time you get done with the concept of offensive to others, no one could ever speak another word of criticism or correction to another.

 

[Seagull]

Spyridon !

 

[Pup7]

So some people are meant to be saints and others serial killers.

Sounds Calvinist, not Catholic, doesn’t it?

 

[Spyridon]

Sounds Calvinist, not Catholic, doesn’t it?

God doesn’t actively will anybody to be a serial killer, His Perfect (active) Will is for all humanity to be Saints.

Men have free will to choose to align themselves with God’s Holy Will, and they have free will to reject his Holy Will and instead follow satan and sin, under the auspices of course of God’s Permissive Will.

God’s Permissive Will allows these failures of free will and evil to occur for purposes sometimes known only to God, which will be made clear to us in Paradise, and sometimes which will become clear to us later in life.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I am not familiar with Calvinism.

 

[Pup7]

Calvinists believe in predestination, that God chooses some for heaven and some for damnation.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I don’t believe that. I think I’ll stop asking questions and read my biblia

 

[Pup7]

I didn’t imply nor think you did. It wasn’t directed at you or your beliefs. It was a comment on your comment - because what was being said DID seem Calvinistic.

 

[redbetta]

Sometimes I think that, after sin and death entered the world, God gave us the gift of humor to help us deal with it. Especially dark humor.

 

[Jump4Joy]

This is what sucks about internet communication. You cannot hear my tone. I didn’t take it as an accusation. I only said that because in general it seems like I don’t know that much about my beliefs as I should.

 

[Pup7]

I didn’t think you took it as an accusation…

Sometimes I think that, after sin and death entered the world, God gave us the gift of humor to help us deal with it. Especially dark humor.

I agree.