Are strict vegetarians acting morally?

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What people need to realize is that some are better off eating meat, some are better off as vegetarians.
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i agreed w/ you until you said this. OUr bodies are far more alike than they are different. I believe low-carb is what is best for everyone, at least MOST of the time. There are times i don’t eat a lot of meat, but i almost always eat some cheese or something with protein in it. I feel so much better when i do (etc…).

People who have special needs obviously need to eat a little differently, but not much… Pregnant women should definitely eat high protein-high fat. An unborn child grows faster in the womb than at any other time in his/her life… But she should also eat as much as she can of carbs (my opinion). Even so, there is “pregnancy diabetes” so maybe that suggestion wouldn’t work there…
For those who are no longer growing or pregnant or sick, i believe Atkins is the best diet…
As stated elsewhere, people who don’t eat meat don’t live very long…
 
Sandi said:
**Vegetarians seem to get cancer a lot… **

I doubt that but if they do, it’s probably because our food supply is so contaminated with pesticides.
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No, that’s not the reason. The reason is that every time you eat (whether Atkins meal or not) your blood sugar rises. When you eat a lot of carbs/sugars, it rises even more. Too much sugar causes too much insulin 2b released from the pancreas, which leads to excell circulating insulin. Cancer cells, which all of us are supposed to have, feed on insulin. In some people/situations… certain things trigger those usually-inactive cancer cells to become active and cancer results. It stands to reason that if cancer cells feed on insulin, less insulin is called for.

A vegan diet is heavy on carbs & sugars, which leads to excess insulin.
 
But considering the controversy around whether newborns suffer during birth, or whether a fetus suffers during an abortion, I’m not sure we really know.
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:eek: This is not true. Doctors and other professionals KNOW that babies suffer intensely when aborted. They know this because of the way babies respond to pain while a doctor does in-utero operations on them. Plus, it is only logical that they would feel pain. Why would they only feel pain upon entry into the world, after 9 months of being w/o, what, without nerve endings…?

this reminds me of another thing that irritates me about those who spout off about animals being mistreated when being used for meat… and never seem to think about what humans go through…
I’d venture to say a lot of vegans are pro-abortion… Show me the logic of that one…

In any case, i realize not all vegans or vegetarians are the same…
and i am a vegetarian maybe once a month for one day…

I just wanted to make the point that unborn babies FEEl Pain!
 
the modern methods of raising meat take cereal foods, that could be used to feed many, and feeds them to cattle, which produces less food per acre. Her research and statistics are scientific.
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I have heard this disputed. I just can’t recall, off the top of my head, all the ways in which it has been disputed… (I’m kind of pressed for time - therefore, can’t think clearly:shrug: ).

Anyway, archeologists have discoverd that human bones (found in ancient burials sites throughout the world) of hunter-gatherers are far more indicative of overall health than bones found of people who sustained themselves primarily through agriculture. Their teeth are stronger (they exist :o ), they are taller and evidence proves they lived longer…

I rest my case…
 
I would probably be a vegeterian if I had the courage or temperance to be one
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Maybe the reason you don’t have the courage or temperance to be vegetarian is that you are not made (by God ) to be one…

(See other posts here… )
 
And I am sure someone here can tell you all the diseases meat eaters can die of.
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Its not the meat that causes the problem. It is processed food that causes health problems. It is pollution, etc… Meat does not cause heart attacks. As stated elsewhere, in Greenland, the people eat hardly any carbs - whale, seal blubber, etc… is what they eat… In one village of 3000, there was not ONE case of heart disease…

I’ve heard from 2 different professionals that the heart works better when using fat 4 fuel, as opposed to glucose. Of course, the body (esp the brain) needs both. But the body can get glucose from protein/fat, which is how Atkins works… It causes the body to burn off its excess fat and glucose…
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
Again, that is just not true. Meatless diets can be as healthy as meat diets.
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Again, this is just not true. Meatless diets (that are meatless for more than a day or two) ARE unhealthy. It has been proven. Again, see other posts here… If you still disagree, well then, i give up…
 
I am Vegan and Catholic. I see no clash of values or morals between the two.

To my mind, animals and people are not equal, though animals are indeed sentient beings who feel pain, share love, etc, and deserve to be respected for that. I don’t want any animal to be tortured and die just because I want a burger. (have you SEEN slaughterhouse footage…puke)

To the poster who said that Veg*n diets are unhealthy - Please site that claim. And I don’t mean Wikipedia 😛

I believe that a well balanced vegan diet is the best for our bodies and our world, but I also realize that every person’s body is very different. What works for one doesn’t necessarily work for another. Would I love to see everybody eating vegan and living compassionately, YES! Will it happen in my lifetime, no way 😦

Yes, it is possible to be a “Junk Food Vegan” and be fat, unhealthy and malnourished. After all, Oreos and Coke are vegan! The key is to eat a varied diet, and you’re sure to get all the essential nutrients that you need. Of course, taking a supplement helps 🙂

For anyone interested, I really, really recommend the book “Diet for a New America” by John Robbins (heir to the Baskin Robbins legacy). While it’s true that he is a vegan, his defense and explanation of a vegetarian / vegan diet is very well thought out, straightforward, and refreshingly neutral.

~Jess, a VeganFreak
 
MariaG said:
What people need to realize is that some are better off eating meat, some are better off as vegetarians.
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I completely agree. I function so much better when I rarely eat meat, while DH could eat meat for his only course, every meal and feel great. I’m serious; he went for a checkup and he’s healthy as can be. I was really worried about the way he eats, but he’s got good genes (his dad’s the same way).

Makes for some interesting meals at our house. I went veg, but now eat meat occasionally so that we can share meals together. He just freaks at the sight of a veg that isn’t iceberg lettuce.🙂
 
distracted said:
Again, this is just not true. Meatless diets (that are meatless for more than a day or two) ARE unhealthy. It has been proven. Again, see other posts here… If you still disagree, well then, i give up…
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Again, you are mistaken. I provided some links that confirm meatless diets are healthy. You just refuse to believe it. I find that odd.
 
JessicaCeleste said:
To the poster who said that Veg*n diets are unhealthy - Please site that claim. And I don’t mean Wikipedia 😛
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They can’t seem to do that. They make a claim over and over again without citing authoritative sources on the matter. I don’t know about you but I find their opposition to our eating choices strange and weird.
 
distracted said:
Its not weird at all. I happen to care about people’s health, corny as that may sound… 🤷
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Actually, it is very weird because you don’t listen to the truth on the matter, insisting that a healthy dietary choice is actually unhealthy.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
They can’t seem to do that. They make a claim over and over again without citing authoritative sources on the matter. I don’t know about you but I find their opposition to our eating choices strange and weird.
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What are you talking about? The Atkins books were cited, etc. You just don’t want there to be info to contradict your own in-grained prejudice… so you pretend there is none…

Here are some other sources of info: Protein Plus (written by a doctor), the Barry Sears books, which are similar to Protein P and Atkins…

i have literally read 80% or more of the diet/nutrition/fitness books in my (fairly large) local library… so many books i can’t remember the names of them all. Plus, why do you seem to only believe what can be found in a book? Also cited in these Posts have been: personal experiences, lab test results, blood pressure measurements etc…

You wouldn’t be more than a bit closed-minded, would you??

And also…

i find your comments about meateaters’ “opposition to [your] eating choices” well, “pretty strange”… but i guess that’s what people do when they are told things they don’t want to hear: they attack the messenger.

i don’t know about others’ motives, but the only reason i post about such matters is because i care about people’s health - yours included. But 🤷 What’s that thing someone once said, about how

“No good deed will go unpunished.” :rolleyes:
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
They can’t seem to do that. They make a claim over and over again without citing authoritative sources on the matter. I don’t know about you but I find their opposition to our eating choices strange and weird.
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I agree, though I don’t really give a rip what anybody thinks of my eating habits. I have done my research, am still learning about vegan living / eating, and I know that not only can one be a healthy vegn, but one can thrive.

It is curious that whenever the topic of veg*nism is brought up, people get so argumentative and hostile. I wonder why that is. Hmmm…

Whatever the moral implications or individual interpretations / biases are, it’s between me and my god. Period. Thankyouverymuch.

~Jess, a VeganFreak
 
distracted said:
What are you talking about? The Atkins books were cited, etc. You just don’t want there to be info to contradict your own in-grained prejudice… so you pretend there is none…

Here are some other sources of info: Protein Plus (written by a doctor), the Barry Sears books, which are similar to Protein P and Atkins…

i have literally read 80% or more of the diet/nutrition/fitness books in my (fairly large) local library… so many books i can’t remember the names of them all. Plus, why do you seem to only believe what can be found in a book? Also cited in these Posts have been: personal experiences, lab test results, blood pressure measurements etc…

You wouldn’t be more than a bit closed-minded, would you??

And also…

i find your comments about meateaters’ “opposition to [your] eating choices” well, “pretty strange”… but i guess that’s what people do when they are told things they don’t want to hear: they attack the messenger.

i don’t know about others’ motives, but the only reason i post about such matters is because i care about people’s health - yours included. But 🤷 What’s that thing someone once said, about how

“No good deed will go unpunished.” :rolleyes:
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“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”

eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm

And I have no prejudice. The Atkins diet may or may not be a healthy choice. I have not disputed that. You have provided no authoritative citations that vegan diets are unhealthy and instead rely on Atkins diet information. Perhaps you are the prejudicial one? That’s okay. It is difficult to look past one’s own fears and prejudice. But I’m sure you’ll get there.

It would appear you are being closed-minded on the matter. I have thoroughly researched vegan diets and I know your claims are false. Again, your position on this matter is strange and weird. You’re actually appearing like you’re fanatical.
 
Please review this position paper of the American Dietetic Association and the Dieticians of Canada: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12826028&dopt=Citation

The bottom line is that a strict vegetarian diet can be perfectly healthy and actually comes with several health benefits.

As to the issue of vegetarianism and Christianity, Christ did not play semantic games with categories or notions of equality. It’s not important to the situation. The fact is that today we have the ability to live lives that pay the utmost respect to God’s creatures - we don’t have to kill or eat them to survive. We can either inflict unnecessary suffering or not. WWJD? The answer is clear.

Strict vegetarianism is indeed a moral decision.
 
I’m a strict vegetarian and I’m a lot healthier than when I ate meat. I’ve lost nearly 40 pounds in the six months that I’ve been vegetarian, I have a lot more energy, my cholesterol is back down to the normal range…the health benefits to me cannot be denied. The only thing keeping me from going vegan is the cost…the only animal product I ever eat anymore is cheese. I haven’t had milk or ice cream in two months and the only time I’ll eat eggs is when they come from my neighbors farm, he has free range chickens…and I only get those eggs when I go home from college which is once every couple months.

I went veg because I was sickened by the thought of the poor treatment of the animals every time I took a bite of meat. I even threw up once. After taking a “Farm management” class my freshman year of university and witnessing firsthand how they treat the animals I could hardly stand the thought of eating meat. The only choice I could live with was to quit eating meat.
 
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