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MynameisD
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Hey, I happen to know a few people that are in this situation. If they are, what can I do to help them?
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Vico
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If a person, after baptism, dies in a state without sanctifying grace, hell is the result.
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Everest
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Your destination is only determined by the state of your soul at death.
If you die in a state of mortal sin (what type of mortal sin is irrelevant) you go immediately to Hell. If you die in a state of grace you are saved.
Only God knows the state of your soul at death and everyone has until their dying breath to repent and be saved.
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Stephen_says
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You can pray for them.
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MynameisD
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Thank you very much. I will do.
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MynameisD
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Thank you for your answer
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MynameisD
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Thanks for your answer
“Remarrying” after divorce, without benefit of a declaration of nullity or a similar construct (e.g., “lack of canonical form” declaration if one’s first putative marriage was outside the Church), is bigamy pure and simple. And not just that, but if the couple acts conjugally (as most married couples do, at least at one time or another), that is the mortal sin of adultery. Assuming sufficient reflection and full consent of the will, that makes one liable to eternity in hell. All delilberately sought, completed sexual pleasure outside of a valid marriage is objectively a mortal sin of the flesh.
So, with the question understood that way, the simple answer has to be “yes”. (Being mindful, of course, that we can never judge anyone’s soul or eternal destiny, we can only judge objective, outward behavior.)
There can be exceptions for non-sexual Josephite marriages entered into for a grave reason, such as the upbringing of children born into such a union, securing of seriously-needed temporal benefits such as inheritance, pensions, and so on, but even then (a) the couple must strictly live “as brother and sister”, and that means separate bedrooms and so on, total continence, and (b) it is not a valid Catholic marriage, but rather is just tolerated by the Church — and must have her permission to do this — for the grave temporal reasons noted above.
Also see this:
Are the divorced able to get indulgences? - Apologetics / Moral Theology - Catholic Answers Forums
So, with the question understood that way, the simple answer has to be “yes”. (Being mindful, of course, that we can never judge anyone’s soul or eternal destiny, we can only judge objective, outward behavior.)
There can be exceptions for non-sexual Josephite marriages entered into for a grave reason, such as the upbringing of children born into such a union, securing of seriously-needed temporal benefits such as inheritance, pensions, and so on, but even then (a) the couple must strictly live “as brother and sister”, and that means separate bedrooms and so on, total continence, and (b) it is not a valid Catholic marriage, but rather is just tolerated by the Church — and must have her permission to do this — for the grave temporal reasons noted above.
Also see this:
Are the divorced able to get indulgences? - Apologetics / Moral Theology - Catholic Answers Forums
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MynameisD
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Thank you. But why if they are in one bedroom but no sexual act is committed? Is it still sin?
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JerryZ
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First of all pray for them.
And per your question, one goes to hell when we die NOT in a state of grace,
The “state of grace” is lost when we commit a “mortal sin” check the many threads that deal with this. And YES “mortal sin” is spoken of directly in the New Testament.
Check the "Catechism of Catholic Church for all the relevant topics on sin.
In the end GOD will judge us, based on what we knew / did and what our conscience told us while we were here on Earth.
Peace!
And per your question, one goes to hell when we die NOT in a state of grace,
The “state of grace” is lost when we commit a “mortal sin” check the many threads that deal with this. And YES “mortal sin” is spoken of directly in the New Testament.
Check the "Catechism of Catholic Church for all the relevant topics on sin.
In the end GOD will judge us, based on what we knew / did and what our conscience told us while we were here on Earth.
Peace!
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1ke
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People who die in unrepentant mortal sin go to hell. Mortal sin requires full knowledge, free will, and grave matter.
We can only comment on one of those things: Grave matter against the sixth commandment is involved when Catholics remarry outside the church without a decree of nullity.
And certainly we can’t know about any repentance or regularizing their marriage they may have done privately.
You can encourage Catholics you know well to speak to their pastor about their marriage situation. I advise this if they’ve asked you about it or you are very close friends/family and they are your peers, not your elders.
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mdgspencer
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I wouldn’t quick to consign anyone to hell. To be there forever, without end!
All the same, if someone divorces and remarries without an annulment, they are still married to the first person. If they introduce someone as their husband or wife, they are not telling the truth.
Better to pray to them, and give a short prayer if that happens.
All the same, if someone divorces and remarries without an annulment, they are still married to the first person. If they introduce someone as their husband or wife, they are not telling the truth.
Better to pray to them, and give a short prayer if that happens.
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1ke
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No it isn’t.
Catholics are required for validity to marry in Catholic form, or receive a dispensation from form. So any second attempt at marriage cannot be valid.
Baptized non-Catholics may or may not be marrying validly when they contract a “second” marriage civilly.
The unbaptized may or may not be contracting a valid marriage when they enter a “second” marriage civilly.
It cannot be said that “all” are.
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Anesti33
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Don’t forget your canon law, 1ke! Marriage enjoys the favor of the law, so a first marriage is putatively valid unless proven otherwise!
Let’s put it this way: anyone who was previously in a valid marriage is sinning and involving grave matter when they attempt remarriage in any fashion and thence commit adultery with that second “spouse”.
Let’s put it this way: anyone who was previously in a valid marriage is sinning and involving grave matter when they attempt remarriage in any fashion and thence commit adultery with that second “spouse”.
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goout
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Might be a lot of truth spoken here, but I doubt if any of it will lead to life changes and conversion. The Gospel isn’t about who is going to hell, it’s about salvation. Speak to these people in a way that makes a life long commitment to Christ an attractive and attainable possibility.
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1ke
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Ha ha. That’s a good one.
While this is true, with non-Catholics it is possible that they are in a valid marriage if their first is not valid whether anyone ever knows or or not (i.e. whether or not the tribunal ever examines it).
So as I said— may or may not.
Not if their first marriage wasn’t valid.
Or if they fall under Pauline Privilege.
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MynameisD
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Thank you for your answer
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MynameisD
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Thank you for those very kind words
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MynameisD
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Thank you very much
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