Are the flood and expulsion of the Garden of Eden the same event?

[minichibi]

Following the discussion in this thread, that 12,000 years ago at the end of the geologic age known as the Pliestocene, the ice age ended. In many places in the world the sea level was some 2 - 300 feet lower than it is today. For the next several thousand years, the sea rose. Land which was previously dry was submerged by the melting ice caps, makes me think that the expulsion of Adam and Eve, the flood, the Atlantis myth and similar myths in different cultures.
Could that be the case?
By the way, I always thought the Biblical narrative was closer to the Greek myth than the Sumerian myth itself… who wrote first? The Greek or the Hebrew?

 

[gus]

Given Greek culture was isolated to the Western Mediterr
ain and the Hebrews were decendents of the Summarians.
Why to you think Greece influenced them.
I agree there was a World Wide Flood
Given that peoples generally locate near water and Sea Levels rose at incredible rates at the end of the last ice age how could there not be. Even the Great Lakes date to less than 10,000 Years ago. Hence a flood lengend in Native American Cultures. As Chesterton said it is wrong to dismiss legend as they are truths passed on by the sane members of a tribe as opposed to History that is written by the one insane member
If your saying Eden is beneath a sea that’s a plausable theory.
People that write off the flood story have never actually been
envolved in one. The tiny floods in our memory pale in comparaison.

 

[minichibi]

Given Greek culture was isolated to the Western Mediterr
ain and the Hebrews were decendents of the Summarians.
Why to you think Greece influenced them.
I agree there was a World Wide Flood
Given that peoples generally locate near water and Sea Levels rose at incredible rates at the end of the last ice age how could there not be. Even the Great Lakes date to less than 10,000 Years ago. Hence a flood lengend in Native American Cultures. As Chesterton said it is wrong to dismiss legend as they are truths passed on by the sane members of a tribe as opposed to History that is written by the one insane member
If your saying Eden is beneath a sea that’s a plausable theory.
People that write off the flood story have never actually been
envolved in one. The tiny floods in our memory pale in comparaison.

I don’t think Greek influenced them. I just think Greek mythology is closer to Genesis than Sumerian myths.

 

[patrick457]

By the way, I always thought the Biblical narrative was closer to the Greek myth than the Sumerian myth itself… who wrote first? The Greek or the Hebrew?

You mean “who put their oral lore down in written form first,” right? We can’t determine ‘who was first’ in the case of unwritten cultural traditions (heck, in this case there might not be even a ‘first’ at all), but if you are asking as to who put down those traditions into writing, it will ultimately depend on exactly when you date the literature in question.

Homer’s Odyssey and the Iliad, which is most likely a combination of historical memories dating from the time of the Bronze Age collapse (early 12th century BC), folklore and fiction, are traditionally thought to have been composed (which is probably not the same as saying ‘written’) near the end of the 8th century BC to the beginning of the 7th. Hesiod was probably Homer’s contemporary; his Theogony and Works and Days offer us the fullest account of the earliest myths. Other sources of mythology are the Homeric Hymns (composed perhaps just slightly after Hesiod up to perhaps the Hellenistic period), the mainly-lost poems of the Epic Cycle, lyric poets (who took their subjects from myth), Greek drama (like Sophocles’ or Euripides’ plays), writers like Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus or Strabo, who all collected numerous local myths and legends, and from art dating from the end of the Greek Dark Ages (c. 900-800 BC) onward. As you can see, there was no singular literary source for ‘Greek mythology’: what you have is a huge bulk of literature, of different dates, giving what is oftentimes contradictory information.

 

[minichibi]

You mean “who put their oral lore down in written form first,” right? We can’t determine ‘who was first’ in the case of unwritten cultural traditions (heck, in this case there might not be even a ‘first’ at all), but if you are asking as to who put down those traditions into writing, it will ultimately depend on exactly when you date the literature in question.

Homer’s Odyssey and the Iliad, which is most likely a combination of historical memories dating from the time of the Bronze Age collapse (early 12th century BC), folklore and fiction, are traditionally thought to have been composed (which is probably not the same as saying ‘written’) near the end of the 8th century BC to the beginning of the 7th. Hesiod was probably Homer’s contemporary; his Theogony and Works and Days offer us the fullest account of the earliest myths. Other sources of mythology are the Homeric Hymns (composed perhaps just slightly after Hesiod up to perhaps the Hellenistic period), the mainly-lost poems of the Epic Cycle, lyric poets (who took their subjects from myth), Greek drama (like Sophocles’ or Euripides’ plays), writers like Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus or Strabo, who all collected numerous local myths and legends, and from art dating from the end of the Greek Dark Ages (c. 900-800 BC) onward. As you can see, there was no singular literary source for ‘Greek mythology’: what you have is a huge bulk of literature, of different dates, giving what is oftentimes contradictory information.

Yes, that is precisely what I asked Thanks.