Are the Jehovah"s Witnesses Christians

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Can i ask you to at least name me one Greek Scholar who agrees with the JW translation of the bible??? Not to be overly criical but i heard that argument posed before.
That question is a bit broad. Can you list one passage that we can use for comparison. For starters read my link on John 1:1 and McKenzie in my signature. While McKenzie does not interpret this as we do, he certainly does translate it that way.
 
Dave Here is what you do not understand the Bible you are reading is NOT a Christian bible it was written by your cult member, get a christian bible and read JOHN 1:1

PS< Please read and try to understand / In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I have. Read my post on how Catholic McKenzie agrees with the NWT rendering of John 1:1. I don’t claim he agrees with our interpretation but he does render it as “the Word was a divine being.”
 
That question is a bit broad. Can you list one passage that we can use for comparison. For starters read my link on John 1:1 and McKenzie in my signature. While McKenzie does not interpret this as we do, he certainly does translate it that way.
No, we have no verse that are "comparison "we use a Christiam Bible and you do not,
 
Jehovah’s Witnesses do baptize in the name of the Father, the name of the Son and the name of the holy spirit, although we don’t view this as a formula which must be repeated as a mantra. In fact the early Christians did not do so either. For example:


  1. ]DRA Acts 2:38 But Peter said to them: Do penance: and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    ]DRA Acts 8:12 But when they had believed Philip preaching of the kingdom of God,
    in the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized**, both men and women
    *]DRA Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they desired him to tarry with them some days.

    You claim that name is singular in Mt 28:19-20, but be careful with that argument. Some argue that this single name is Jesus Christ because of all the passages in Acts and then claim that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the single person of Jesus Christ.

    In fact the Greek word ONOMA (name) does not always mean ones given name. Sheriffs say to open the door in the name (ie authority) of the law, for example.

    Also along these lines some interpret John 10:30 to mean that Jesus claimed that he and his Father were one person. To address that, see John 17:21-23 where the disciples are one just as he and his Father are one.
    DRA John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one

    Oh, and BTW, merely mentioning three together in the same context does not make them the same being, see Peter, James and John for details. :cool:

  1. I’m not claiming it makes them one because they are together in a single sentence, nor that JWs do not baptize, but rather that Scripture would seem to state that they share the same name. Also, as another poster mentioned, "In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
Do the JW say they are Christian.
Man does not have a soul
the Trinity is a fabrication of the RCC.
Jesus is a god
Jesus is a Archangel MICHAEL Jesus was not raised from rthe dead
Man does not have a soul
and we have No hell.

I think with all of this They are not Christians,do you think of them as Christian and the name Roman Cathloic Church did not come along until 1051,I think thats the right date.may 1054

The Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t seem to be Christian because they deny Jesus as God the Creator. They have the wrong Jesus. That alone would disqualify them, IMO.​

The idea of the trinity was not the product of the RCC. It was in the NT long before the RCC was formed.​

The JW’s seem to believe in a soul which is made of the body and the spirit. They don’t believe the soul is immortal.​

The JW’s believe that Jesu was/is the Archangel Michael. They believe Jeus was raised from the dead but not with His original body but as a spirit-body.​

The JW’s don’t believe in hell.
 
Do the JW say they are Christian.
Man does not have a soul
the Trinity is a fabrication of the RCC.
Jesus is a god
Jesus is a Archangel MICHAEL Jesus was not raised from rthe dead
Man does not have a soul
and we have No hell.

I think with all of this They are not Christians,do you think of them as Christian and the name Roman Cathloic Church did not come along until 1051,I think thats the right date.may 1054
As a Muslim who lives in a Western country, I have come to realise that the greatest harassment comes from a Christian sect that numbers a mere 6-7 million; the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Muslims come across them so often for the very factor that they come knocking on their doors. The group was born in the U.S.A. (Like almost every other cult you might come across) and every weekend they come armed with their contrived New World Translation Bible and their Awake, Watchtower magazines; they’ll come pounding on your doors. Yes, the lady and the gentleman who come dressed in business suits. No their not trying to sell you products, but “simply” to destroy your Iman in exchange for their humorous “The world is coming to an end” cult.

Many Muslims are aware of their failed past prophecies; but it’s usually your word against theirs. The purpose of this page is to expose these cultist using their own tools. The following are scanned Photostats of the past magazines of Awake and the Watchtower. Articles that these cultists dread if any one was to come across; yet over the past decades they have been handing them out door to door, country to country. The Jehovah’s Witnesses view the Islamic faith as satanic, they have written anti-Islamic materials and even travel to Muslim countries to try and witness (their euphemism for convert) to our brethren. Muslims have to understand that Christianity is not a monolithic rock, it comprises of innumerable sects that differ on almost every theological aspect of the Christian faith, and to defend yourselves against it you have to understand the nature of these offspring’s. it is pointless arguing with a Jehovah’s Witness that the Bible says this and says that. Trying to bring up contradictions, the humanity of Jesus (incidentally, they don’t believe Jesus is God, but still acknowledge his divine sonship), etc. Their faith seems to belong in a man made organisation, the Watchtower in New York. They’ll vehemently deny this; but ask them where all their magazines, Bibles, commentries, religious books and guides are printed. Their are many former Jehovah’s Witnesses that have entered the fold of Islam (ironically, it starts from them having visited a Muslim home in order to witness). Although many are trained not to listen, you as a believer can only do your best, and leave the rest to Allah (swt). This page is meant mainly as a defense for Muslims, and not necessarily Dawah to them.

I recommend for Muslims who regularly come into contact with Jehovah’s Witnesses, to print out the scanned Photostat articles following from the links below. Trust me, once you’ve shown them this. They’ll give you a pathetic defense and stand their pretending their shocked, and most of them will never come to your houses again. It’s difficult for someone to swallow their own past failures that now go against their dogma.

STEP BY STEP, WE BEGIN

STEP 1.
The book of Deuteronomy 18:20-22 sets a standard on how to judge if a Prophet is from God.

And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Well, it’s simple. This is a criteria that Muslims can also agree to, if a Prophet is from God, any Prophecy he makes should eventuate as claimed. This would be the sole ultimate proof of the Prophets genuineness. If the prophecies don’t come to pass, then the so-called Prophet is a false Prophet. And hence he is not being guided by God at all, we shall not be afraid (respect) of them, let alone of what they teach. As you’ll see, the Jehovah’s Witnesses headquarters (the Watchtower in Brooklyn, New York) claims to be a body of Prophets as those sent to the peoples of the Biblical era.

STEP 2.

WHO GUIDES THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY? Just incase they tell you they’ve always relied on human wisdom (or lack of it). You must show them that the Watchtower claims to be a Prophet of Jehovah (God). If they don’t acknowledge it, then it is really pointless exposing to them the failed prophecy articles coming up. But they usually will confirm that the Watchtower organisation is indeed “inspired and guided” by God almighty.

WHAT DO THE WATCHTOWER MAGAZINES GLEAM WITH? “the scriptural and prophetic truths”

STEP 3.

WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO HUMANITY IN 1918? Take one big guess

WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TO HUMANITY IN 1925
AND WHICH PROPHETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RESURRECTED? Oops, I think our calculations were wrong

WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN 1975? and it wasn’t Muhammad Ali’s boxing victory against Joe Frazier
 
Do the JW say they are Christian.
They are Christians if they acknowledge all essential Christian docrrine. Like that Jesus is Light from Light and True God from True God. Another Christian essential doctrine is the Trinity.
 
JW are not christian, in order to be Christian you HAVE to Believe that there is a Soul
I respect the tradition of Christian Platonism, but I don’t think you have to be a Platonist in order to be a Christian. I think that this is actually a point where the JW’s have introduced a valid correction to the Platonic tradition. I’m not denying that even here they go too far, but I certainly wouldn’t consider them non-Christian on this account. After all, it is the resurrection of the body, not the immortality of the soul, which is the central Christian teaching about what happens after death.
and that Jesus is the son of God.
I don’t believe that they deny this.

I would call them heretical Christians, myself. Of course this is semantic–you may use the word “Christian” to mean what I would mean by an “orthodox Christian.”

Edwin
 

The idea of the trinity was not the product of the RCC. It was in the NT long before the RCC was formed.​

Actually, the Church was formed in 33 AD. Have you read the Church Fathers, such as Ignatius or Augustine, or perhaps Pope Clement, Student of Paul ;)?
 
Actually, the term originated in the 17th Century. The term was invented and used by early protestants (who argued that there could be more than one “Catholic” Church, and added “Roman” as a means to distinguish the Catholic Church from “other catholic churches”). The Catholic Church does not use the term (and, in fact, repudiates it). Individual Catholics should not refer to themselves or their Church as “Roman” Catholic.
AMEN.

We have made several attempts to educate our fellow Catholics who identify themselves as “Roman” Catholic as incorrect. The correct name is simply “Catholic”. You are right, the name “Roman” Catholic was added by the Protestants.
 
AMEN.

We have made several attempts to educate our fellow Catholics who identify themselves as “Roman” Catholic as incorrect. The correct name is simply “Catholic”. You are right, the name “Roman” Catholic was added by the Protestants.
We can actually use the term Roman Catholic. There are 23 rites in the Catholic Church, thereby, using the term Roman Catholic distinguishes our latin rite from the other rites from within the Catholic Church.

If they are in doubt, you should explain to them why we are Roman Catholics, that there is only one Church, onbe body but many different parts. Explain to them 1 Corinthians 12:12.

Our protestant brothers sometimes stumble into the truth but does not know it.
 
They are Christians if they acknowledge all essential Christian docrrine. Like that Jesus is Light from Light and True God from True God. Another Christian essential doctrine is the Trinity.
Interesting, so accepting the creeds that were introduced hundreds of years after Christ died is what it is necessary to be considered a Christian? What about those who wrote the bible and did not teach or believe this?

Jesus himself said his Father was the only true God (Jn 17:3) and so by your definition he was not Christian!
 
I’m not claiming it makes them one because they are together in a single sentence, nor that JWs do not baptize, but rather that Scripture would seem to state that they share the same name. Also, as another poster mentioned, "In the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Well, if the name being spoken of there is the name of one person like Jesus, then this means that the Oneness Pentecostals (Jesus Only) are correct when they say that all three are one person. I know Catholics don’t believe that!

As for John 1:1, please read my post in the link in my signature where Catholic McKenzie renders the last part of the verse “and the Word was a divine being.”
 
No, we have no verse that are "comparison "we use a Christiam Bible and you do not,
You don’t seem to understand that Jesuit Catholic McKenzie in his Catholic Dictionary which has the nihil obstat and Imprimatur said that John 1:1 should be rendered “and the Word was a divine being.” I don’t claim he interprets it the same way, but it sure reads like the NWT.
 
I am going to unsubscribe from this thread and focus on Sacred Scripture. If anyone wants to discuss Scripture see me there. - Dan Parker
 
Do the JW say they are Christian.
Man does not have a soul
the Trinity is a fabrication of the RCC.
Jesus is a god
Jesus is a Archangel MICHAEL Jesus was not raised from rthe dead
Man does not have a soul
and we have No hell.

I think with all of this They are not Christians,do you think of them as Christian and the name Roman Cathloic Church did not come along until 1051,I think thats the right date.may 1054
Their website claims that they are Christian, and they base their beliefs around the teachings of Jesus Christ as they believe them to be.

therefore…yes. They are Christian. They may be wrong, but that’s not the same thing.
 
They are Christians if they acknowledge all essential Christian docrrine. Like that Jesus is Light from Light and True God from True God. Another Christian essential doctrine is the Trinity.
Why?
 
Actually, the Church was formed in 33 AD. Have you read the Church Fathers, such as Ignatius or Augustine, or perhaps Pope Clement, Student of Paul ;)?
If you notice I didn’t say ‘the church’, I said the RCC. The Church was formed and described in Acts and it wasn’t the RCC.
 
Their website claims that they are Christian, and they base their beliefs around the teachings of Jesus Christ as they believe them to be.

therefore…yes. They are Christian. They may be wrong, but that’s not the same thing.
Are you saying a person is a Christian because they say they are and because they say they follow Jesus?
 
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