Are the Jews still the chosen people?

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Bon_Croix said:
Israelites went to Hades or Abraham’s Bosom before Jesus. Jesus did not liberate the ones in Hades.
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Correct, but a saint is a saint is a saint. One born of God is one born of God. One who is born again is the same in either testament. That the gates of heaven were not opened yet, that the pivotal moment of Calvary had not happened yet, does not change salvation by grace and faith for an OT saint. That we may be more empowered by gifts of the Holy Spirit, or have His indwelling does not make us “greater”.though we may do greater works.
 
To the extent that the Church believes that Christ is the Messiah and that it fills out the role that was prophesized by Jesus.

Take this as an example, the Church does not believe a Jewish Rabbi can consecrate bread and wine into the person of Jesus Christ.
 
A saint can be endowed with greater Holiness and privilege than other Saints. So, I wouldn’t say, “a saint is a saint is a saint”, because I take it to mean that all saints are equal.
 
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A saint can be endowed with greater Holiness and privilege than other Saints. So, I wouldn’t say, “a saint is a saint is a saint”, because I take it to mean that all saints are equal.
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Agree. Just that some might say OT were not saints, not regenerated in spirit, even second class citizens
 
Is this official Church teaching? I thought that, apart from Mary, the Saints are equal but endowed with different abilities. Obviously I might be wrong.
 
One point here: there is no “saving message of the Jews” in the same sense as in Christianity. That is, one need not convert to Judaism to be saved. In fact, the whole idea of salvation as it is used in Christianity is foreign to Judaism. Obedience to the Law saves us “only” in terms of practicing what Gd commands and thereby leading a better, more righteous, more meaningful life. The Law itself is not designed to save us with respect to eternal life. The latter is not even necessary. However, that does not mean Judaism denies the afterlife, but rather that whatever form this may take is not specified in the Law, and so the present life and making it a good one is what we should focus on.
 
We all fall short of fulfilling the whole Law, but we believe that Gd understands our shortcomings and mercifully appreciates our efforts, improvement, and repentance.
 
Abraham is the founder of the Jewish nation. Because that is what God wanted. Baptism means nothing if we don’t accept Jesus. It will be the task of the Jewish nation to accept Jesus too, as taught in the New Testament
 
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All Covenants are binding on God’s part, for all time. What humans choose to do is another matter.
 
You need to learn the we do not discount the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God is preparing everyone for the Incarnation of the Word. We never discount the rich relationship of God and his chosen people in the Old Testament
 
We don’t rank Saints. Except for the Mother of Christ, our numero uno saint
 
Num. 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord–I have not changed; and you are the children of Jacob–you have not ceased to be.”

He chose us; we’re chosen. He doesn’t change His mind.
 
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To Catholics, Mary, Joseph and John the
Baptist are great saints - also Peter and Paul. However, to the Jews, the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are great - also Moses.
 
ratio1 said:
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I didn’t think the Catholic church believed
in replacement theology.
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So does the church think it is a brand new religion?
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What is the “it” you are talking about?
 
Roseeurekacross said:
You need to learn the we do not discount the Old Testament. In the Old Testament God is preparing everyone for the Incarnation of the Word. We never discount the rich relationship of God and his chosen people in the Old Testament
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That is why I thought the Catholic Church does not teach replacement theology.
 
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