Are the Jews still the chosen people?

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I believe the word theologians like to use is “fulfilling”.
 
In that case the Church as the new Israel is quite appropriate as it is the fulfilment of the old Israel.
 
Baptism is not baptism if free will is not involved. To get baptized without the intent to accept grace would be sacrilege.
 
Why do you bring this up here when the nature of the conversation is about DNA?

You need to learn to stay on topic.
 
Kilnor said:
This question I have been wondering for a while because while the Jews reject the divinity of Jesus, it says in the Old Testament that they are, so it would really be great if this was cleared up for me.
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All people, no matter what their faith (don’t have to be Catholic), are God’s chosen people. He wants to receive all in heaven.
 
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Baptist are great saints - also Peter and Paul. However, to the Jews, the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are great - also Moses.
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Jesus is considered a great rabbi by the Jews and a great prophet by the Muslims.
 
Do you also believe in the Jewish Kingdom from the Nile to the Euphrates?
What else is the idea of Jewish election for you?
 
Israel has and will always be the chosen people. There are some in the comments above that have advanced a sort of replacement theology in which the Church has replaced Israel as the chosen people. That would be a false assumption. It was to Abraham’s descendants that God made the promise to Abraham, and to Israel that God revealed the law, and through Israel that God sent his Son to redeem us. This hasn’t changed. The Church has not supplanted Israel, rather, we have been grafted into the promises through Israel. Though there are many who descend from Israel who do not believe, God has maintained a remnant from Israel. There is actually a vibrant and active community of Messianic Jewish believers who are active within the body of Christ today. Rest assured that when God makes promises such as he did to Abraham, that all nations shall be blessed through him, God honors his promise.
 
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“Are the Jews still God’s chosen people?” The answer is Yes. God doesn’t go back on his promises. In Paul’s words, “Irrevocable indeed are the gifts and the calling of God.”
  • As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Rom. 11:28-29, ESV)
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/11-29.htm
 
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What kind of question is that, “do I believe in”? In the past, there was a Jewish kingdom. It did not extend all the way from the Nile to the Euphrates. Historical fact. In the present there is no Jewish kingdom. Present reality. In the messianic future, there will be a kingdom encompassing those boundaries, because the prophecy says so and it has never yet been fulfilled. That really doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.

“For me”? God announced in the pages of the Bible, over and over, that he elected the seed of Abraham, the children of Jacob, forever. To what end? To be a “kingdom of priests,” a “holy nation,” “a treasured nation,” “My firstborn son,” “a light unto the nations.”
 
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We being the Catholic Church. Are you Catholic?
Bon_Croix said:
Baptism is not baptism if free will is not involved. To get baptized without the intent to accept grace would be sacrilege.
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Babies are baptised. A person will grow up, accept or reject God, and can go through many stages on his or her life journey. With the grace of God, by the end of the journey, there is full acceptance of God.
 
And the law is love. And it is beyond you and I’s complete understanding. The law isn’t a book of codified do’s and dont’s.
 
In scripture, Paul speaks of Gentiles as spiritual descendants through their Christian faith.

I just don’t believe Israel will “rule the world” with a Messiah on an earthly throne.

The message God brought with Jesus is that the throne is a cross. It is a symbol that we are to make sacrifices for others just as God sacrifices for us.
 
This sounds as if you do not accept infant baptism, because what free will does an infant have to accept grace? However, since you are Roman Catholic, I doubt this is the case. Please explain therefore what you mean.
 
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The free will of the parents will do considering God placed them as caregivers of the infant.

Surely you can relate with circumcision.
 
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Neither do Jews believe that Israel will ‘rule the world’ by means of an earthly Messiah. No forced conversion of the nations will be required at the coming of the Messiah. However, most will acknowledge at that time that Gd is Gd and peace and brotherhood in the world will finally become a reality. That is our hope.
 
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