Are the Masons Considered Occult?

[benjohnson]

This guy has about as much knowledge of mason as any other critic. He is a distrubed exmormon.

Did this give it away:

" she’d go home or to the hotel and this horrible demon would come in to her room at night and physically and sexually attack her."

In my opinion, the guy’s a nutter. He claimed that he was a member of DeMolay - but no member would ever refer it as “the Demolay” like he did.

If you’re Catholic, it would be as if someone claimed that they were a member of the “Rome Catholic” church. You’d know they were full of it.

 

[CatherineOH]

Freemasonry is a Fraternity and not a Religion. With all these statements against this one form of Fraternity, what is one permitted to do and still be a ‘Catholic’?
What about other Fraternities that do the same thing, such as Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythius, Rotary, Elks, Moose, others?

I mean, we have ‘no religion’ in our public schools. Is it against our faith to then let our children go to school if we can’t afford Catholic schools? Seems to me the argument is the same.

It all simply makes no sense to me.

 

[Bible_is_truth]

Our Lodge does have several Catholic members - and for myself, I would take no part of anything that was remotely contrary to my Christian faith.

I would also like to point out that Freemasonry in the US, Canada, England and most of the Commonwealth is different than Freemasonry practiced on the European continent - they really are worthy of all the suspicion; especially lodges in France and Italy.

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My reply to any one who believes in God,( I do not mean Baphal,if spelling correct) I mean the God,and Jesus,which Christians Believe would NOT enter into this cult,it is Forbidden ,one cannot serve Two Masters.you are a Mason or a believer in the ONE true God. You serve one Not Both. My understanding is the mason god is of satanic origin,if you are a mason as you claim then I feel deeply sorry for you if you believe you are a Christian,depending on what degree you are you may know little or much.I perceive you are of lower ranking.it may be too late for you to quit,depending just what you know and what vowels you have taken so far,pray for your soul and repent to God now,renounce and give up masonry and worship the true God.I plead for your safety on this, your Soul is more important to you and where it will end up.Satan is extreemely good at getting souls.
This is for any one claiming to have faith in the one true God who has been deceived into thinking you can still serve two masters.
I write this in earnest and am very serious.

 

[GaryTaylor]

makes no sense to me.

cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=103

I know “nothing” about this but what the Church has long taught.

 

[benjohnson]

My understanding is the mason god is of satanic origin,if you are a mason as you claim then I feel deeply sorry for you if you believe you are a Christian,depending on what degree you are you may know little or much.I perceive you are of lower ranking.it may be too late for you to quit,depending just what you know and what vowels you have taken so far,pray for your soul and repent to God now,renounce and give up masonry and worship the true God.

I honestly thank you for your concern. Masonry as it is now, is a fraternity of old men, who exchange fellowship and have a rather silly and baroque ritual - those rituals and plays concern morals and teaching that are applicable to our lives here in this world.

Masonry has absolutely no plan of salvation.

I’ve seen all the rituals in the regular lodge and both York Rite and Scottish Rite - and frankly they are a hodgepodge of 17th century morals and advice mixed in with silly self-important and amusing 18th century puffery.

Again, thanks for you concern. Even though I disagree with your premise that I’m part of cult, your advice to look to and center our life around Christ Jesus and his church is solid.

 

[peace2u2]

I’m a Freemason, and this critique is a very valid concern. Freemasonry was born in a time when religious differences were severe - so we had to set aside those differences in order to be ‘Brothers’ inside the lodge. I think modern Masons should be careful not to cross the line - I know in our lodge we’re very careful to show respect to the religious beliefs of our members, but to not make any false equivalences. Our names for God are an attempt to not cross any religious boundary.

In our defense, to be a Mason, one of the oaths is that we are to frequent our house of worship. In addition, Masonry absolutely denys that masonry has any part of salvation.

That said, if you’re Catholic, I would highly recommend the Knights of Columbus. They have all the silly ritual and silly hats that Masons do, all the good works, and none of the guilt.

Our Lodge does have several Catholic members - and for myself, I would take no part of anything that was remotely contrary to my Christian faith.

I would also like to point out that Freemasonry in the US, Canada, England and most of the Commonwealth is different than Freemasonry practiced on the European continent - they really are worthy of all the suspicion; especially lodges in France and Italy.

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EDIT:

If I can answer the OP’s question. From a Catholic perspective, Freemasonry is considered occult and there’s a papal encyclical that forbid membership by Catholics. As a member of Freemasonry, I can tell you that while I enjoy the fraternity and the rather odd history and rituals, I would say that you’re not ‘missing out’ too much. Don’t be afraid of Masons, but at the same time, I would urge you to follow your Catholic teaching.

Benjohnson, if Freemasonry is occult and membership is forbidden by Catholics, why would it be ok for Protestants, Jews or any other person for that matter. If Jesus died on the cross to save all souls, that would mean non-catholics as well.

According to the attached link, the writer is Protestant and apparently does not think Freemasonry is ok for Protestants!

saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry/freemasonry-and-the-church

click also on the freemasonry button at the top of the page and there are plenty of articles that should raise a red flag for everyone!

This is a Catholic’s perspective on freemasonry:

sanctepater.com/2012/03/why-catholics-cant-be-masons.html

I hope and pray that you take what these men have said seriously.

Peace2U2

 

[peace2u2]

Our Lodge does have several Catholic members - and for myself, I would take no part of anything that was remotely contrary to my Christian faith.

I would also like to point out that Freemasonry in the US, Canada, England and most of the Commonwealth is different than Freemasonry practiced on the European continent - they really are worthy of all the suspicion; especially lodges in France and Italy.

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My reply to any one who believes in God,( I do not mean Baphal,if spelling correct) I mean the God,and Jesus,which Christians Believe would NOT enter into this cult,it is Forbidden ,one cannot serve Two Masters.you are a Mason or a believer in the ONE true God. You serve one Not Both. My understanding is the mason god is of satanic origin,if you are a mason as you claim then I feel deeply sorry for you if you believe you are a Christian,depending on what degree you are you may know little or much.I perceive you are of lower ranking.it may be too late for you to quit,depending just what you know and what vowels you have taken so far,pray for your soul and repent to God now,renounce and give up masonry and worship the true God.I plead for your safety on this, your Soul is more important to you and where it will end up.Satan is extreemely good at getting souls.
This is for any one claiming to have faith in the one true God who has been deceived into thinking you can still serve two masters.
I write this in earnest and am very serious.

There is no distinction between Freemasonry in US, Canada, England vs Eurpean Continent, France and Italy.

If you have practiced Freemasonry in any form according to these links that are provided your soul is at serious risk:

christianhealingmin.org/newsletter/archives/deliverance/A_Need_to_be_Free.php

saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry/freemasonry-revealed

sanctepater.com/2012/03/why-catholics-cant-be-masons.html

 

[peace2u2]

Today’s Mass Readings: I really believe that God speaks to us thru His Holy Word. This is what He had to say today:

Isaiah 35:1-10

Let the wilderness and the dry-lands exult,
let the wasteland rejoice and bloom,
let it bring forth flowers like the jonquil,
let it rejoice and sing for joy.

The glory of Lebanon is bestowed on it,
the splendour of Carmel and Sharon;
they shall see the glory of the Lord,
the splendour of our God.

Strengthen all weary hands,
steady all trembling knees
and say to all faint hearts,
‘Courage! Do not be afraid.

‘Look, your God is coming,
vengeance is coming,
the retribution of God;
he is coming to save you.’

Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
the ears of the deaf unsealed,
then the lame shall leap like a deer
and the tongues of the dumb sing for joy;
for water gushes in the desert,
streams in the wasteland,
the scorched earth becomes a lake,
the parched land springs of water.

The lairs where the jackals used to live
become thickets of reed and papyrus…

And through it will run a highway undefiled
which shall be called the Sacred Way;
the unclean may not travel by it,
nor fools stray along it.

No lion will be there
nor any fierce beast roam about it,
but the redeemed will walk there,
for those the Lord has ransomed shall return.

They will come to Zion shouting for joy,
everlasting joy on their faces;
joy and gladness will go with them
and sorrow and lament be ended.

Psalm 84:9-14

Look, our God is coming to save us.

I will hear what the Lord God has to say,
a voice that speaks of peace,
peace for his people.

His help is near for those who fear him
and his glory will dwell in our land.

Look, our God is coming to save us.

Mercy and faithfulness have met;
justice and peace have embraced.

Faithfulness shall spring from the earth
and justice look down from heaven.

Look, our God is coming to save us.

The Lord will make us prosper
and our earth shall yield its fruit.

Justice shall march before him
and peace shall follow his steps.

Look, our God is coming to save us.

Gospel Acclamation

Lk3:4,6

Alleluia, alleluia!

Prepare a way for the Lord,

make his paths straight,

and all mankind shall see the salvation of God.

Alleluia!

Or

Alleluia, alleluia!

See, the king, the Lord of the world, will come.

He will free us from the yoke of our bondage.

Luke 5:17-26 ©

Jesus was teaching one day, and among the audience there were Pharisees and doctors of the Law who had come from every village in Galilee, from Judaea and from Jerusalem. And the Power of the Lord was behind his works of healing. Then some men appeared, carrying on a bed a paralysed man whom they were trying to bring in and lay down in front of him. But as the crowd made it impossible to find a way of getting him in, they went up on to the flat roof and lowered him and his stretcher down through the tiles into the middle of the gathering, in front of Jesus. Seeing their faith he said, ‘My friend, your sins are forgiven you.’ The scribes and the Pharisees began to think this over. ‘Who is this man talking blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?’ But Jesus, aware of their thoughts, made them this reply, ‘What are these thoughts you have in your hearts? Which of these is easier: to say, “Your sins are forgiven you” or to say, “Get up and walk”? But to prove to you that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,’ – he said to the paralysed man – ‘I order you: get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home.’ And immediately before their very eyes he got up, picked up what he had been lying on and went home praising God.

They were all astounded and praised God, and were filled with awe, saying, ‘We have seen strange things today.’

 

[benjohnson]

There is no distinction between Freemasonry in US, Canada, England vs Eurpean Continent, France and Italy.

Perhaps not to you. ‘Freemasons’ in France and Italy often deny god and prohibit people who believe in god from joining. They typically don’t have a central authority and quite frankly deserver the all the suspicion.

 

[benjohnson]

saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry/freemasonry-and-the-church

click also on the freemasonry button at the top of the page and there are plenty of articles that should raise a red flag for everyone!

This is a Catholic’s perspective on freemasonry:

sanctepater.com/2012/03/why-catholics-cant-be-masons.html

The Saintsalive link is100% nuts and should be ignored as not-factual. Ed Decker has also been at one point anti-cahtolic.

The link to the Catholic site is a 100% true account of one man’s concerns and experience in Masonry. He raises some valid concerns, and recounts nothing that I myself haven’t experienced as a Mason. I think the difference between him and me is that I tend to think of Masonry as something to be taken lightly and for what is is - a fraternity of silly old men in funny hats.

I’m not discounting this man concerns, only that they don’t apply to me - I lump Masonry with literature and story-telling and not as a part of my life.

 

[CatherineOH]

The Saintsalive link is100% nuts and should be ignored as not-factual. Ed Decker has also been at one point anti-cahtolic.

The link to the Catholic site is a 100% true account of one man’s concerns and experience in Masonry. He raises some valid concerns, and recounts nothing that I myself haven’t experienced as a Mason. I think the difference between him and me is that I tend to think of Masonry as something to be taken lightly and for what is is - a fraternity of silly old men in funny hats.

I’m not discounting this man concerns, only that they don’t apply to me - I lump Masonry with literature and story-telling and not as a part of my life.

I agree
and nobody has approached my question. Perhaps it is too true?
Even with the discussion the concerns the man points out, it isn’t the view of the organization. Just like public schools and other venues, God or god is not defined but either deleted or generically referred to. This even includes the Pledge of Allegiance. So I repeat my question;

Freemasonry is a Fraternity and not a Religion. With all these statements against this one form of Fraternity, what is one permitted to do and still be a ‘Catholic’?
What about other Fraternities that do the same thing, such as Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythius, Rotary, Elks, Moose, others?

I mean, we have ‘no religion’ in our public schools. Is it against our faith to then let our children go to school if we can’t afford Catholic schools? Seems to me the argument is the same. …

 

[Razanir]

The Saintsalive link is100% nuts and should be ignored as not-factual. Ed Decker has also been at one point anti-cahtolic.

I won’t comment on how factual it is or isn’t (although the site IS anti-catholic). But this is still a logical fallacy. Ad hominem to be exact. Just because someone is sometimes wrong, doesn’t mean they can’t sometimes be right.

 

[peace2u2]

The sin in freemasonry is the practice of idolatry.

They probably are not even aware of this or of the curse that they are putting on themselves and their families. They replace worship of Jesus Christ with the worship of the false gods of the Egyptians until Lucifer himself becomes part of the initiation, thereby rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Maybe these men and women who partake in these groups don’t even realize that they are repeating the names of these false gods? Or maybe they do but by then its too late because the oaths they swear are not given to them before hand to review, but they are blindfolded and repeat after someone the words they lead them into darkness. Its not like they are given the oath to review before hand. Isn’t that deception? Satan is the Prince of Deception.

They also take blood oaths which we are forbidden to do.

The charity work they do in communities covers the evil behind the rituals that they partake in secrecy in the lodge. The lodge is really the shadow of darkness. Perhaps they are all deceived and have no idea what they have gotten into and do not realize the implications.

Jesus Christ does not dwell in darkness. He is the light of the world

The harm here is far worse that a physical death, but an eternal death of one’s soul - "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.”

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”

“But most of all, my brothers and sisters, never take an oath, by heaven or earth or anything else. Just say a simple yes or no, so that you will not sin and be condemned.”

“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.

We need to repent and turn back to God completely. Healing Prayer of Deliverance is in order:

christianhealingmin.org/newsletter/archives/deliverance/A_Need_to_be_Free.php

 

[CatherineOH]

They are not a religious organization yet are called a cult.
They bring other gods into the meeting, yet don’t we do that in our daily life so that we may live, work and get education with others in our communities.

You say they take blood oaths? ans worship Lucifer? Sounds like you’ve been in one of their loges. Or are you spreading a falsehood and things you’ve read online to enforce your point such as the protestants do about us worshiping Mary and the saints? What is your proof? I’m told that though there are some supposed rituals printed online that these are not ones actually used. I’m told to that none the ‘secrets’ are found in print even today.

Quite frankly, I know quite a few who are masons. From what I have seen, they are much more Godly men than many professed Christians I’ve met. Does God use even the evil for the good? Yes, but some of these folks are close to being saints, so I doubt much of what is said against them thus far. The ones who are not like this, probably were not good people to begin with and I bet even their organization just wishes they would go away or straighten up.

 

[benjohnson]

I won’t comment on how factual it is or isn’t (although the site IS anti-catholic). But this is still a logical fallacy. Ad hominem to be exact.

I’m not attacking Ed Decker for being Ed Decker , I’m discounting his ideas because he has shown to be unreliable - not only in his anti-catholic ideas, but his false allegations against freemasons.

There are all sorts of valid reasons to not be a Mason: It may split your allegiances, it may take up too much of your time, you may take it seriously, you may read way too much in it, you may accidentally think there’s a plan for salvation. There could even be sinister reasons.

But, if I’m reading it correctly, Mr. Decker claims that if you join Masonry, you may have the problem of being raped by a demon in the night in a repeated fashion.

That’s crazy talk, and the man should be immediately ignored for our own sanity.

 

[LEMAITRE]

They are not a religious organization yet are called a cult.
They bring other gods into the meeting, yet don’t we do that in our daily life so that we may live, work and get education with others in our communities.

You say they take blood oaths? ans worship Lucifer? Sounds like you’ve been in one of their loges. Or are you spreading a falsehood and things you’ve read online to enforce your point such as the protestants do about us worshiping Mary and the saints? What is your proof? I’m told that though there are some supposed rituals printed online that these are not ones actually used. I’m told to that none the ‘secrets’ are found in print even today.

Quite frankly, I know quite a few who are masons. From what I have seen, they are much more Godly men than many professed Christians I’ve met. Does God use even the evil for the good? Yes, but some of these folks are close to being saints, so I doubt much of what is said against them thus far. The ones who are not like this, probably were not good people to begin with and I bet even their organization just wishes they would go away or straighten up.

Regardless of your personal views or your mason friends, any Catholic who has joined the Masons has put their soul in mortal jeopardy, it is a mortal sin.

Think very carefully before you defend Freemasonry, the Church has already officially spoken out against them. It is forbidden for Catholics to be Masons but people will choose to do what they want despite Church warnings.

Those on the lower levels of Masonry have very little idea about what goes on on the upper levels e.g. 32nd Degree Mason.

Read the book below, give it to your Catholic mason friends.

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons (By John Salza)

"Many good Catholic men have been deceived into becoming Masons. In this powerful little book, a Catholic attorney and former 32nd degree Mason clearly shows why joining Masonry (including the Shriners) means embracing a false religion.

Having authored Masonry Unmasked for general readership, here John Salza writes specifically for Catholics, showing why the Church has always condemned Freemasonry and continues to do so today.

John Salza explains Masonic doctrines, rituals, oaths and curses, showing that Masonry is totally incompatible with Christianity and that a Catholic who joins it has rejected Christ and is headed for eternal damnation."

 

[CatherineOH]

I am familiar with John Salza. He has been determined to be a heretic and spreads apostasy.

I am familiar with his writing and speeches primarily because he is one who says that all the Popes after Vatican II are not true popes.

He also believes in the Geocentric model of the universe (everything revolves around the Earth). REALLY??

In my opinion, due to that, his other writings are not to be trusted.

 

[Razanir]

They are not a religious organization yet are called a cult.
They bring other gods into the meeting, yet don’t we do that in our daily life so that we may live, work and get education with others in our communities.

You say they take blood oaths? ans worship Lucifer? Sounds like you’ve been in one of their loges. Or are you spreading a falsehood and things you’ve read online to enforce your point such as the protestants do about us worshiping Mary and the saints? What is your proof? I’m told that though there are some supposed rituals printed online that these are not ones actually used.** I’m told** to that none the ‘secrets’ are found in print even today.

Quite frankly, I know quite a few who are masons. From what I have seen, they are much more Godly men than many professed Christians I’ve met. Does God use even the evil for the good? Yes, but some of these folks are close to being saints, so I doubt much of what is said against them thus far. The ones who are not like this, probably were not good people to begin with and I bet even their organization just wishes they would go away or straighten up.

By whom? Normally I disagree with my English teachers that passive voice is inherently bad writing, but here it is. Who has told you this? Regardless of if our sources are reliable, we at least have sources

 

[CatherineOH]

By whom?
As previously mentioned somewhere in the course of posts, by friends who are masons and I would think they know their ritual as they are officers in their lodges (3 of them)
Even a normal online search reveals those facts, so that is nothing new.

Well, I suppose the whole thing isn’t any of my concern anyway so I leave it all to you guys.
TTFN

 

[TimothyH]

I honestly thank you for your concern. Masonry as it is now, is a fraternity of old men, who exchange fellowship and have a rather silly and baroque ritual - those rituals and plays concern morals and teaching that are applicable to our lives here in this world.

Masonry has absolutely no plan of salvation.

I’ve seen all the rituals in the regular lodge and both York Rite and Scottish Rite - and frankly they are a hodgepodge of 17th century morals and advice mixed in with silly self-important and amusing 18th century puffery.

Again, thanks for you concern. Even though I disagree with your premise that I’m part of cult, your advice to look to and center our life around Christ Jesus and his church is solid.

Our Lord Jesus Christ will hold us accountable for our words.

I tell you, on the day of judgment people will render an account for every careless word they speak. By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 12:63)

One who want’s to center his life around Jesus Christ should take this very seriously.

At a minimum, if all it is is silly self-important 18th century puffery then it is simply childish nonsense, play acting. Why bother?

-Tim-.