Are the Masons Considered Occult?

[CatherineOH]

…I am familiar with John Salza. He has been determined to be a heretic and spreads apostasy.

I am familiar with his writing and speeches primarily because he is one who says that all the Popes after Vatican II are not true popes…

A PPS.
I got that a little backwards. He is in a fight with a group who are anti Vatican II and not in communion with Rome.
But in his speeches available on Youtube, wow, he sure says a lot that even I know is false about freemasonry. I don’t know about the srhiners though as I don’t know any of them.
Too considering his age, he likely didn’t earn his degrees if in fact he was 32nd. Unless they use one of the ‘magic wand’ systems that my friend calls it where they instantly confer the 32nd on someone after a weekend, then they have to attend other meetings…It usually takes about 15 years to get through all of them in both York and Scottish lines. What I’m trying to say is that due to his age and his obvious lack of knowledge of masonry especially that outside of the united states, he really doesn’t know more than happened in his own lodge. If what he says about his own lodge though, he did right in leaving.

and Razinor, You can put your “English teacher sarcasm” back into the bucket. I’m not a writer. Though I have obtained higher education and a Masters degree to hang on my wall, I am still public school educated. I am self taught at typing as well. So at the end of it I can’t care less how it appears on the page. At least I try to write my thoughts down. Right, Wrong, or otherwise, that is more than most accomplish.

 

[benjohnson]

At a minimum, if all it is is silly self-important 18th century puffery then it is simply childish nonsense, play acting. Why bother?
-Tim-.

Because of the clear and honest moral development. One of the oaths that I took was to “frequent your house of worship.” Following that advice turned me from a rather mushy-headed psudeo-christian to a rather fervent Evangelical Catholic (LCMS). I also brought my family with me.

Like I said, for Catholics, I recommend joining the KOC. It’s just as good.

 

[LEMAITRE]

I am familiar with John Salza. He has been determined to be a heretic and spreads apostasy.

I am familiar with his writing and speeches primarily because he is one who says that all the Popes after Vatican II are not true popes.

He also believes in the Geocentric model of the universe (everything revolves around the Earth). REALLY??

In my opinion, due to that, his other writings are not to be trusted.

Don’t read it if you don’t trust that author. Do you trust the Vatican? Read the official Church position on Freemasons below. Just remember when you are defending Masons that the Church has an Official stance against Freemasonry and forbids Catholics from joining it. Forget about individual authors or other lay Catholics, we are talking about the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

 

[peace2u2]

Don’t read it if you don’t trust that author. Do you trust the Vatican? Read the official Church position on Freemasons below. Just remember when you are defending Masons that the Church has an Official stance against Freemasonry and forbids Catholics from joining it. Forget about individual authors or other lay Catholics, we are talking about the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

You state that participation with the Masons is a mortal sin for Catholics. Why isn’t this a mortal sin for our Protestant brothers and sisters? In fact, I don’t remember which post #, but it was a Christian writing that the Masons are occult. So wouldn’t that put any person regardless of “denomination” into mortal sin by practicing occult?

The person who is involved is Protestant, but his wife is Catholic. Also, what if you are a Catholic but your father was a Protestant and he participated in the Masons, does this put your soul at risk?

 

[Razanir]

You state that participation with the Masons is a mortal sin for Catholics. Why isn’t this a mortal sin for our Protestant brothers and sisters? In fact, I don’t remember which post #, but it was a Christian writing that the Masons are occult. So wouldn’t that put any person regardless of “denomination” into mortal sin by practicing occult?

The person who is involved is Protestant, but his wife is Catholic. Also, what if you are a Catholic but your father was a Protestant and he participated in the Masons, does this put your soul at risk?

To answer your first question, I don’t know that many Protestants share our definition and view of sin.

As for the second one, your parents’ actions can’t put actual sin on your soul

 

[april32010]

No the Elks are okay to join as are Kiwanis, Lions, Eagles, Chamber of Commerce, Jaycees, Moose, Knights of Columbus, American Legion, VFW, Serra Club, Optimists, Exchange, Rotary and dozens of other civic and service organisations.

off topic ,why the minuscule font

 

[LEMAITRE]

off topic ,why the minuscule font

I like my font. You got a problem with it, don’t read my posts.

 

[LEMAITRE]

You state that participation with the Masons is a mortal sin for Catholics. Why isn’t this a mortal sin for our Protestant brothers and sisters? In fact, I don’t remember which post #, but it was a Christian writing that the Masons are occult. So wouldn’t that put any person regardless of “denomination” into mortal sin by practicing occult?

The person who is involved is Protestant, but his wife is Catholic. Also, what if you are a Catholic but your father was a Protestant and he participated in the Masons, does this put your soul at risk?

I don’t state it is a Mortal Sin, it’s not my opinion, it is the Catholic Church that states it is a Mortal Sin because the Church defines Masonry as a form of ‘idolatry’. Idolatry breaks a Commandment and is therefore a Mortal Sin.

Freemasons practice syncretism which is unacceptable to the Church. Syncretism is the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought. e.g. practicing or mixing portions of the Islamic, Buddhist or Hindu religions alongside Catholicism. The Church defines that as a form of idolatry.

Protestant brethren are not bound by Catholic doctrine, most don’t believe in dividing sins into Mortal or Venial. Some Protestants would not have an issue with Freemasons, others may. Protestants can do as they please.

Catholics on the other hand should listen to the Church, but, as I posted earlier some Catholics continue to do as they please.

We are all responsible for our own Salvation, IMHO if Catholics are serious about Salvation then they would pay attention to what the Catholic Church teaches.

As to the question of whether a non-Catholic spouse or relative of a Catholic has placed the Catholics soul at risk by being a Freemason, I would recommend that Catholic speak to a Priest.

Look, let’s not forget that intent and informed decision-making are crucial in deciding whether a Mortal Sin was committed. Were Catholic Masons committing an informed and willing sin? Did they know it was a Mortal Sin but committed the act anyway? I don’t know. Sounds like a few Catholic Masons are not aware of the official Church stance and may therefore be unwitting participants.

If a Catholic were a Mason prior to knowing the Church position but was later educated by a Priest or other Catholic about the Church’s position on Freemasons and he then continued to practice it then that Catholic would be in a state of Mortal Sin. Prior to having that knowledge he may or may not have been in a state of Mortal Sin, that would be something his Confessor decides.

 

[TimothyH]

Because of the clear and honest moral development. One of the oaths that I took was to “frequent your house of worship.” Following that advice turned me from a rather mushy-headed psudeo-christian to a rather fervent Evangelical Catholic (LCMS). I also brought my family with me.

Like I said, for Catholics, I recommend joining the KOC. It’s just as good.

The Knights of Columbus submits itself to the Church.

The KofC acknowledge that there rules never supercede the rules of the Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church is the mouthpiece of Christ and has been granted authority by Christ to teach on matters of faith and morals and to govern in Christ’s place. Freemasonry however, says that its own rules supercede the rules of any Church to which a freemason might be a member.

If a member of the LCMS is allowed to do this by the Lutheran Church, then I am not to argue. But for a Catholic, it is not acceptable.

The Church is the God’s authority on earth. That is what we profess. That is what we believe. We stake our life on it. To then join an organization which requires its members to promise or swear to uphold the rules of Freemasonry, even if they contradict the rules of Catholicism, is having a double mind. It is a house divided against itself. One cannot serve two masters.

For a Catholic who professes belief in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, it is not acceptable to be a freemason.

-Tim-

 

[april32010]

I like my font. You got a problem with it, don’t read my posts.

just curious

 

[benjohnson]

Freemasonry however, says that its own rules supercede the rules of any Church to which a freemason might be a member.

Masonry says no such thing. Quite the opposite as one of our oaths is to be a full participant in our house of worship.

If a member of the LCMS is allowed to do this by the Lutheran Church, then I am not to argue. But for a Catholic, it is not acceptable.

I should preface that I speak for myself in this matter. The LCMS specifically prohibits membership in Freemasonry for the roughly the same reasoning that Catholics have. This is an ongoing discussion with my pastor, who tolerates my rebellious streak in spite of myself. He has given me clear guidelines on how to determine if Freemasonry goes against church teaching - other than bit of pseudo-ecumenism where the Bible and the Koran shared alter space when when we initiated a muslim , it has not, in my opinion.

For a Catholic …] it is not acceptable to be a freemason.

-Tim-

I don’t think I have said otherwise. This is Catholic church teaching.

Tim, I do thank you for your quite reasonable objections and for voicing them constructively.

 

[perro_sarnoso]

Are the Masons the same as Freemasonry? If so, is this some type of Occult? If so, what about it makes it occult? I have heard they are just a group of men who gather together to do charity work although there is a lot of secrecy involved around their meetings. How is this dangerous to a person’s soul?

Thank you,

Peace 2U

The Freemasons are a secular gnostic cult steeped in paganistic traditions and rituals. The big “G” in the middle of the square and compass does not stand for God. It stands for gnosis or the pursuit and worship of hidden knowledge.

They claim that one has to believe in “a god”-whichever god-in order to belong to the masons. And they do mention the “horned god” in their ritual incantations and utterings.

It is a doctrine of demons passed on through the ages by infamous personalities such as: Alice Ann Bailey; Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Albert Pike. Still perpetuated today by the various lodges throughout the countries and the East and West orders.

By papal decree-catholics who seek membership in this and other secret, gnostic societies- incur in excommunication.

Vade retro Satana. Non suade mihi vana. Sunt mala quae libas. Ipse venea bibas.

 

[benjohnson]

. And they do mention the “horned god” in their ritual incantations and utterings.

It is a doctrine of demons passed on through the ages by infamous personalities such as: Alice Ann Bailey; Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Albert Pike.

I’m not picking on you, only using your post as an example of how not to steer Catholics away from Freemasonry.

The reason being is that everybody pretty much has a relative or friend that’s a Freemason. And what you’re describing usually doesn’t fit the behavior of these people.

So if someone says that Masons worship “horned gods” with a “doctrine of demons”, and they try to square that with their “Uncle Bob” who’s a Shriner that spends all his money and time for the Shriner Children’s Hospital then they will (probably) discount your argument.

Have you ever read a Jack Chick tract about the Catholic church? He also makes them for Freemasons and their just as insane. In my humble estimation, the further your arguments are from Jack Chick arguments against Masonry, the more persuasive you’ll be.

 

[Bible_is_truth]

The sin in freemasonry is the practice of idolatry.

They probably are not even aware of this or of the curse that they are putting on themselves and their families. They replace worship of Jesus Christ with the worship of the false gods of the Egyptians until Lucifer himself becomes part of the initiation, thereby rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

from Bible is truth
I have taken away some of the comments to save space, sorry, ( see original comment from above)
Just endorsing al your comments as above, well said,
plus ALL should keep away from the satanic cults. However good they look on the surface,whatever charity work they do,they come in other guises that are part of,beware do not participate in these ,by doing so one turns their back on God. Please take note all who think there is is no harm in joining, or worse have joined,your soul will be lost. Come back to God while you have a chance,I know it can be at the loss of your life through the oaths you take,think of your Soul. God forgives the violest offender while there is time.
I plead to those who have been promised a better life,here on earth perhaps,what about eternity ?

 

[Bible_is_truth]

yes I came across this link although the writer did have a few anti-catholic articles, the article he wrote on FreeMaonary was very disturbing. Here is the link:

saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry/freemasonry-and-the-church

Peace to you.

Yes so true in the link above,the person who put this on here has been very brave.
just to add, in the u.k. check out why it is called Blackfriars Bridge on the Thames,many murders have been committed by this cult ,barbaric,but it has to be done under this bridge. Thank you for the above ,it is very disturbing,Beware of wickedness in high places,also sadly there are some faiths to which the leaders are members of this cult,the illuminatti was mentioned in the story link,Most World leaders belong to this elite group again many high Church Leaders,which even myself were amazed,and unbelievable ,but true. I would not advise looking ,it is Very Disturbing ,I will not point anyone in that direction.

 

[peace2u2]

Yes so true in the link above,the person who put this on here has been very brave.
just to add, in the u.k. check out why it is called Blackfriars Bridge on the Thames,many murders have been committed by this cult ,barbaric,but it has to be done under this bridge. Thank you for the above ,it is very disturbing,Beware of wickedness in high places,also sadly there are some faiths to which the leaders are members of this cult,the illuminatti was mentioned in the story link,Most World leaders belong to this elite group again many high Church Leaders,which even myself were amazed,and unbelievable ,but true. I would not advise looking ,it is Very Disturbing ,I will not point anyone in that direction.

Lets all pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy for their souls to be delivered from evil:

thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/praythechaplet.php

God have mercy on us all!

 

[LEMAITRE]

just curious

I suppose I’m providing a service to those who struggle to read the tiny fonts that people usually use.