Are the sacraments and a sincere intention to avoid mortal sin the minimum requirements for salvation?

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Are the sacraments and a sincere intention to avoid mortal sin the minimum requirements for salvation?
Blessed John Henry Newman wrote that the aim of most Christians is “not to please God, but to please self without displeasing God.” This is a very convicting statement. And in my own experience, it appears to be true. Most Christians I know (myself included) truly love God, but primarily seek to derive as much worldly comfort, ease and pleasure as possible without seriously displeasing God. Many of us avoid mortal sin but our obedience to Christ is not complete. I mean to emphasize not that we lack perfect holiness, but that we lack a wholehearted and sincere intention to pursue perfect holiness and union with Christ - by holding on to certain worldly attachments.

We give most of our lives to Christ. We may love him, have a devout prayer life, give to the poor and seek to raise our children to know and love God; yet we keep a portion of our hearts for ourselves. We seek out worldly comfort, ease and pleasure through deliberate venial sins. Some habitually seek comfort and pleasure in alcohol or food, not to the point of drunkenness or gluttony, but to the point that they have intentionally failed to practice healthy temperance. This is a practice they deliberately continue in and have no real intention of growing in the virtue of temperance, which would require them to mortify their desire for that worldly good which they have come to love. Similarly, Christians intemperately (but not gravely) indulge in shopping, gambling, social media use, television and video game consumption, etc.; and are unwilling to make any effort to mortify these worldly attachments. I know these things are not in and of themselves sinful. The quality of attachment I’m speaking of, is one in which the person has come to love the worldly good because of the comfort or pleasure they derive from it, and would find it particularly painful to give it up. They inordinately seek comfort or pleasure from it, when they should be pursuing a more true peace, joy and satisfaction in Christ. The problem is not that they have the attachment(s), it’s that they have no real intention of doing anything about it.

Is willfully remaining in this state going to cut it? Is 99% obedience, with a sincere intention to avoid mortal sin, enough? Must we have a firm, sincere, and COMPLETE intention to die to ourselves? Is any further self-mortification of our worldly desires beyond those that are mortally sinful necessary? Is the sincere pursuit of the quality of holiness the Saints attained to optional?
 
Baptism is the only sacramental requirement for heaven. All the rest are just icing on the cake.
 
Mother Angelica said something about how so many are shooting for Purgatory, but what if they miss?
I heard somewhere, Be a Saint, what else is there?
 
Seeking perfection is not the same thing as meeting the minimum requirements for salvation.
Seeking perfection or following the models of the canonized saints is an attempt to go above and beyond the minimum requirements.

“Detachment from the world” simply means that if some worldly pleasure was standing between us and God, we would reject the pleasure and choose God. It does not mean that everyone needs to live like an ascetic and reject pleasures all the time in order to be saved. Those who choose to do these things usually have some goal in mind of becoming closer to God by focusing more on Him, and/or helping others (example: instead of buying myself a big-screen TV, I buy it for a poor family or give them the money that I would have spent), and/or doing penance to make reparation to God for one’s sins or the sins of others.

If I were you I would be careful about making all kinds of statements about what other Christians “should” do. You do not have insight into the hearts and minds and attitudes of others; you should be mostly concerned with your own behavior and not whether the Christian person next door to you “should” be eating or drinking less.
 
I do not think there is such thing as minimum requirement. God wants all from us not just parts, like He gave us all not just parts.

I like the poster that read, “'Jesus said he love me this much, stretched out his arms and died.”

We are called to be perfect like how our God is.

It is not a matter that we cannot do it but whether we try. Fortunately for us there’s such thing as grace.
 
Must we have a firm, sincere, and COMPLETE intention to die to ourselves?
When Jesus calls us to take up our cross and follow Him, that is a 100% commitment. A person who carried his cross was walking to his death. He had no more life on this earth - no desires - no hopes or dreams.
 
Baptism is the only sacramental requirement for heaven. All the rest are just icing on the cake.
Not quite correct. Baptism is necessary for salvation but not sufficient on its own. We must also die in a state of grace to be saved.
 
oh wow, that’s amazing.

I think we should do what God wants us to, when He wants it.

We aren’t the Judge. But I think to be called a practicing Catholic the main necessities are outlined in the precepts of the Church. We are not God, but He is. He knows what should be done and if you are missing the mark or not.
 
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they said “behold! A wine bibber and a glutton!” But Wisdom is justified of all her children. But now @RemnantofZion, go and learn what the Savior meant when he saith: “I desire mercy, not sacrifice”. All men have fallen short of the glory of God, and there is none that does good, no not even one - but thanks be to God we have been loosed of our bondage to death by Christ Jesus Our Lord, God, and Savior.

Happy New Year!
 
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Not quite correct. Baptism is necessary for salvation but not sufficient on its own. We must also die in a state of grace to be saved.
We must die in a state of Grace to go directly to heaven, correct?

Baptism alone would get us to Purgatory right?

Or will we face final judgement & be cast into hell if our lives warrants it regardless of Baptism?
 
We must die in a state of Grace to go directly to heaven, correct?

Baptism alone would get us to Purgatory right?

Or will we face final judgement & be cast into hell if our lives warrants it regardless of Baptism?
No that is not correct.
You must die in a state of grace to be saved (either Purgatory first or straight to Heaven).
Baptism alone does not get you to Purgatory. However, if you die immediately after baptism you go straight to Heaven.
You go to Hell if you die in a state of mortal sin.
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized” CCC 1281
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized” CCC 1281
That is not what CCC 1281 states. You have changed one word. I have highlighted it. The CCC actually states CAN BE SAVED and not ARE SAVED. There is a world of difference between these two.
Secondly, all of those examples would be considered as being inside the Church because it is an infallible teaching that nobody outside the Catholic Church can be saved.
 
Yes, it says ‘can be saved’, not ‘are saved’.

Wonder which CCC is he quoting from.
 
Baptism does the same thing as circumcision to
a Jew, he is included into the citizenship of the
People of God, but that doesn’t mean that he
will be “saved” b/c many of the Jews were dis-
obedient to God’s commandments and some
were stubbornly resisting God’s Holy Spirit.
The same is true in the Christian faith, we must
be IN CHRIST, walking in the Spirit, not the flesh.
(And repenting w/ contrition and confessing our
sins)
 
The minimal requirement seems to be that we respond to whatever graces God sends our way.
Grace is clearly not limited to the Sacraments.
 
No, Purgatory is just a cleansing. If we die in mortal sin we have rejected God.
Separation from God is Hell. Die in mortal sin and go to Hell.
Pray that this does not happen for you or your loved ones.
Pray, pray, pray.
 
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