Are the SSPX schismatics or heretics?

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The SSPX chapel I go to is often visited by clandestine diocesan priests getting instruction. Some of which help out on occasion by saying the TLM and hearing confessions.
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This is textbook SSPX. Seriously, do they produce a manual for this? This sounds exactly like anytime Fellay is interviewed. He never talks about fact, he just says stuff like "well, we’ve heard this from the “Vatican” or I was told “this.” Always filled with conjecture and hearsay.

Where are all these fine traditionalist non-schismatic priests who love the SSPX? The internet is pretty accessible. Where are they? Fr. Z? Nope. He doesn’t defend them. Why don’t they write about the wonderful SSPX?
 
Why don’t they write about the wonderful SSPX?
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Argh! Don’t make any suggestions. We’re liable to end up with a bunch of “I’m a priest in a Novus Ordo diocese and I fear for my life so I’m receiving instruction privately from the only faithful order, the SSPX”.
 
bear06 said:
Argh! Don’t make any suggestions. We’re liable to end up with a bunch of “I’m a priest in a Novus Ordo diocese and I fear for my life so I’m receiving instruction privately from the only faithful order, the SSPX”.
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That is incredibly uncharitable,…What is your concern with the SSPX?..Do you attend the EF??..Or has the Holy Father in Rome, (God Bless him).charged you like cassandra, , to shout a warning from the walls???..against that bad ol SSPX…lol

have you really taken stock, I mean really…of the situation of the Church, in this country??? If you did the SSPX would be the least of your concerns.,they have at most 60 priests. in this entire country…gimme a break…

Some diocesan priests do work with the SSPX…believe it or not…read Fr.Z’s blog…Wdtprs…
before joining this forum…I have read your posts, you seem to have a bone to pick with the SSPX, and those who favor the EF, in particular. couple that with a biting sarcasm, and ridicule…makes one wonder…
Are you greater than the Pope? Or Cardinal Hoyos? Or the members of the Ecclesia Dei commision?..They employ no such language or tactics…And you ridicule his Lordship.Bernard Fellay…He actually HAS met with the Pope. more than once I believe…Have you??
Perhaps it is time you gave up your “chair” of Theology, (or is it Canon law)…The Church is trying to absorb the SSPX, it will take time. shrillness and ridicule, on the part of unconcerned laity, does nothing to further this worthy goal.
You should pray for them, I do, and sometimes I pray with them.
God Bless
 
mao_now said:
That is incredibly uncharitable,…What is your concern with the SSPX?..Do you attend the EF??..Or has the Holy Father in Rome, (God Bless him).charged you like cassandra, , to shout a warning from the walls???..against that bad ol SSPX…lol

What’s uncharitiable? The SSPX and consiracy theories go hand in hand. And, as Sure has pointed out, they like to make alot of statements that are quite impossible to prove.

As far as my concern with the SSPX, I’ve stated it many times before. Please use the search engine so I don’t have to type it again.
have you really taken stock, I mean really…of the situation of the Church, in this country??? If you did the SSPX would be the least of your concerns.,they have at most 60 priests. in this entire country…gimme a break…
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Just a note on the comparison between Fellay and Mahoney. Fellay has been officially reprimanded and declared to be in schism and Mahoney has not. A more apt comparison would be Fellay and Milingo.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread…
 
mao_now said:
…And you ridicule his Lordship.Bernard Fellay…He actually HAS met with the Pope. more than once I believe…Have you?
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No, but Hans Kueng has. Does that mean he’s in good standing? What about Tony Blair? He has also met with the Pope, I believe also more than once. Oh, wait, he’s not even Catholic. I guess your point is irrelevant.
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Secondly, Don’t throw stones if you have no sin. Claiming illicitness and invalidity is hypocritical when you can’t guarantee licitness, validity or orthodoxy on top of that.
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I’m sure if we were to ask John O’Loughlin or some other trad-watchers we would be able to come up with a decent list of now-former SSPX members who, while in the society, acted illicitly or preached heterodoxy. Some of those men are what most Catholics, be they in union with Rome or no, would call downright crazy. So since the SSPX can’t guarantee licitness or orthodoxy, I suppose I’ll just have to find some other community that can.

But wait, no one can guarantee that every one of his priests will everywhere and at all times stay within bounds. We would not find a single pope in all of ecclesiastical history under whom not a single priest transgressed against these norms. St. Pius X sure couldn’t, else he wouldn’t have had to warn us of the enemies attacking from within the Church.
 
Mao,

Can you link to some of these posts on wdtprs by orthodox non-schismatic priests who “work” with the SSPX?

And as to why some of us speak out against the SSPX:
  1. They lead souls away from the Church and possibly to hell through false absolution.
  2. They profane the Holy Eucharist by confecting the sacrament in a state of mortal sin which is also an ecclesiastical crime of schism punishable by excommunication.
  3. They attack the Church in the least likely of places - among the well-educated and traditionally devout.
  4. They obviously are not led by the Holy Spirit, (he doesn’t lead priests away from the Body of Christ) therefore the spirit that leads this movement must come from a different place, namely hell.
Thanks!
 
Sure said:
Mao,

Can you link to some of these posts on wdtprs by orthodox non-schismatic priests who “work” with the SSPX?

And as to why some of us speak out against the SSPX:
  1. They lead souls away from the Church and possibly to hell through false absolution.
  2. They profane the Holy Eucharist by confecting the sacrament in a state of mortal sin which is also an ecclesiastical crime of schism punishable by excommunication.
  3. They attack the Church in the least likely of places - among the well-educated and traditionally devout.
  4. They obviously are not led by the Holy Spirit, (he doesn’t lead priests away from the Body of Christ) therefore the spirit that leads this movement must come from a different place, namely hell.
Thanks!
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  1. The marriages they officiate at are invalid.
  2. And then there’s the whole annullment issue…
 
Sure said:
Just a note on the comparison between Fellay and Mahoney. Fellay has been officially reprimanded and declared to be in schism and Mahoney has not. A more apt comparison would be Fellay and Milingo.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread…
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Well—that does show the current state of the Church. Those who are really causing damage—are well and good within the Church.
 
Walking_Home said:
Well—that does show the current state of the Church. Those who are really causing damage—are well and good within the Church.
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I did not say he wasn’t causing damage, I said he wasn’t reprimanded (yet). If he is found to be violating canon law, then he should be held accountable under that law just like the SSPX.
 
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This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion.
 
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