Are the Super Rich and there companies to blame for our Economic crisis and plunder?

[Lost_Wanderer]

No, just pointing out that bringing up one gospel verse like you did does not really add much to the conversation.

You don’t get a conversation when you start throwing verses into somebody’s face in the first place. Verses don’t create conversations, period.

Pope Urges “Legitimate Redistribution” of Wealth

He said a more equal form of economic progress can be had through “the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.”

That’s great and all but isn’t that what we’ve been trying to do since… forever? (Or at least, since the fall of the Soviet Union.)

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Coming from one of the most renowned economist of our generation…

So you discount what you do not want to hear.

I suppose we all do.

The fact remains that since the tax cuts to the wealthy and staggering large corporate CEO compensations (job creators) the income and wealth disparity has increased in this country.

And where there is more wealth there is more influence, more lobbying to rig the system even more.

Meanwhile the other 90 even 99 percent stagnate not because they are lazy but because the odds are against them.

 

[stinkcat_14]

You don’t get a conversation when you start throwing verses into somebody’s face in the first place. Verses don’t create conversations, period.

I am glad you learned your lesson.

That’s great and all but isn’t that what we’ve been trying to do since… forever? (Or at least, since the fall of the Soviet Union.)

Redistribution has been occurring since the formation of the first government.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I am glad you learned your lesson.

The lesson is yours to learn. Maybe you should tell your friend over there the next time he feels entitled to criticize self-achievers with his own Bible selection.

Or weren’t you paying attention?

Meanwhile the other 90 even 99 percent stagnate not because they are lazy but because the odds are against them.

Well if the biggest social network could start out of a Harvard dorm room then I don’t know if the odds you’re talking about make for really legitimate complaints at the moment.

 

[WilT]

And do tell me the virtue of charity while the only thing you can share is empty air. I hate to break it to you but that’s all the wilfully (and may I say, whiny) poor contribute to society.

I’ll stick to reaping the benefits of being able to give more because I actually learned to give to myself first.

It’s by the 3rd gift of the Holy Spirit on Counsel that I share this with you. It’s also corporal and spirtitual Work of Mercy for those needing of instructions, to put it in an easier term. Do you still follow Greed and Mammon Lost Wanderer? Or would you prefer the God of Love and Charity of heart. This page doesn’t say your religion but I’m assuming you to be Catholic.

 

[stinkcat_14]

The lesson is yours to learn. Maybe you should tell your friend over there the next time he feels entitled to criticize self-achievers with his own Bible selection.

Which friend are you talking about?

Between the two of us, you were the only one who was selectively quoting scripture. Are you saying that it is fine for you to selectively quote scripture but nobody else can?

 

[tabycat]

What is a pro government bail out?

One that benafits the ones in power and their backers. With Obama, its the unions and far left. An example is the GM bail out; it helped the auto unions more then the car maker.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It’s by the 3rd gift of the Holy Spirit on Counsel that I share this with you.

Share what? All I see is an internet post. Is it going to be the one making my breakfast because that’s a service I’ll sooner be paying for.

It’s also corporal and spirtitual Work of Mercy for those needing of instructions, to put it in an easier term. Do you still follow Greed and Mammon Lost Wanderer? Or would you prefer the God of Love and Charity of heart. This page doesn’t say your religion but I’m assuming you to be Catholic.

Ah, ‘spiritual work of mercy.’ The religious PC term for finger-wagging. Do you even know how narrow your definition of greed is? Are you saying that I’m only filthier because I reap my income from my own CEO’s profit motive? Do you even have a job?

Whatever your idea is of the two entities you presented, I follow neither. I don’t follow someone’s personal constructs, let alone that of a random stranger on an online board.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Which friend are you talking about?

Between the two of us, you were the only one who was selectively quoting scripture. Are you saying that it is fine for you to selectively quote scripture but nobody else can?

So you weren’t paying attention. Nice.

 

[stinkcat_14]

So you weren’t paying attention. Nice.

So you deny that you were selectively quoting scripture?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

So you deny that you were selectively quoting scripture?

Oh so you’re only asking me that? Keep that double standard coming why dontcha?

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Well if the biggest social network could start out of a Harvard dorm room then I don’t know if the odds you’re talking about make for really legitimate complaints at the moment.

How many people do you think have the intelectual gifts of a Mark Zuckerberg?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

How many people do you think have the intelectual gifts of a Mark Zuckerberg?

I’m sorry, Mark? Intellectual? The guy didn’t even wear a suit during the initial IPO talks. Let’s not make the geek into a god. Heck, maybe that’s the real problem. We look at success and think of it as unachievable. It’s as if there was something beyond their control.

And it’s because it’s beyond their control that they feel entitled to think they shouldn’t dream and only reap the fruits of those who dare do via their idea of ‘redistribution.’

It doesn’t even make sense! You don’t dream of success but want the fruits of it handed to you?

 

[Seraphim73]

So you discount what you do not want to hear.

No, I discount the words of someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

The fact remains that since the tax cuts to the wealthy and staggering large corporate CEO compensations (job creators) the income and wealth disparity has increased in this country.

So we are to tax the rich more to make sure they have less money and are closer to the rest of us? That’s not tax policy, that’s theft and it’s immoral.

And where there is more wealth there is more influence, more lobbying to rig the system even more.

The system most certainly is rigged. A ruling elite in Washington and on Wall Street collaborating to keep themselves in power. The answer isn’t to take money from the wealthy elite and give it to the ruling elite. That’s nothing but a shell game. That does nothing but perpetuate the problem.

Can’t you see what they are doing? They pit the non-elite (us) against each other, black against white, lower class against the rich, men against woman. They do this by fomenting jealousy and envy and resentment. All the while using their positions to dole out corporate welfare and bailouts, printing fake money and pumping it into the stock market to support the investor class, getting sweet deals for their union supporters, pushing for as much low skilled immigration as possible, both legal and illegal, in order to provide cheap labor for the Chamber of Commerce while driving down wages across all of the income brackets (talk about wealth disparity).

The answer is not to give these people more resources to perpetuate the fraud. The answer is to starve the government of resources and drastically reduce it’s size and scope. That is the only way to put the power back in the hands of the people. Then how wealthy you are will matter a lot less when there is nothing in Washington worth buying.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

I’m sorry, Mark? Intellectual? The guy didn’t even wear a suit during the initial IPO talks. Let’s not make the geek into a god. Heck, maybe that’s the real problem. We look at success and think of it as unachievable. It’s as if there was something beyond their control.

And it’s because it’s beyond their control that they feel entitled to think they shouldn’t dream and only reap the fruits of those who dare do via their idea of ‘redistribution.’

It doesn’t even make sense! You don’t dream of success but want the fruits of it handed to you?

Is that statement directed at me personally?

If so my conversation with you is over.

 

[tabycat]

I have always worked for companies that provide products for a broad range of customers, not just the 10%. Not only do they buy Microsoft products, but so do I (I don’t like Apple).

If they lost those customers, they would go out of business. Then I would not buy any Microsoft products. If that happened to a lot of companies, even Gates would be affected. However, if only the 10% stopped buying , Microsoft would not be affected. Wal-Mart wouldn’t be affected if the super rich stopped shopping there. Oh wait, they don’t shop there now.

And guess what, the poor help others. So do the middle class.

So, does your employer have customers not in the 10% If your employer only sells to other companies, who are their customers? If you sell to Wal-Mart, what would happen to your job if the 90% stopped buying at Wal-Mart? You’d be out of a job. So it is most likely that those customers are responsible for your job.

If someone stops buying anything, including food, they would end up died.
Some companies are need to supply other companies, like steel for cars or microchips to make computers. No steel, no microchips, the end customers would have very little to buy.
The ones that built Wal-Mart started with very little; now they are rich. BTW Wal-Mart carries things I need and want at prices I like.
I know that the poor, the middle class, AND the rich help others. There have been times that I have been self-emploid so I have some idea what companies (of any size) go through.

 

[tabycat]

If someone got wealthy by stealing, is that using their God given talents? If someone inherited their wealth, is that using their God given talents? If someone won the lottery, is that using their God given talents?

Having wealth is not a sign that one used their God given talents correctly or even the way God wanted them to use those talents?

Please note that I am not against having wealth. I just don’t think it makes people more or less deserving of anything.

Some body would have had to use their God given talents. What would you do with the Inherited wealth? Tax it at 100%???

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Is that statement directed at me personally?

If so my conversation with you is over.

Wow, that’s a nice way to cop-out. Shoe fit that well did it?

 

[stinkcat_14]

No, I discount the words of someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Who doesn’t know what he is talking about?

 

[stinkcat_14]

So we are to tax the rich more to make sure they have less money and are closer to the rest of us? That’s not tax policy, that’s theft and it’s immoral.

Actually the Church has never taught that progressive taxation is immoral, so we cannot really call it theft. We can dispute whether or not it is prudent, but according to the Church it is not immoral.