Are the US "poor" just high school drop outs?

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The vast majority of the so called “poor” in the US that everyone worries about are people who chose to drop out of high school and now think they are entitled to a free lunch because they exist. We all know the out of wedlock birth rate among the poor so no need to state the shocking and immoral statistics on that. Let the leftists put their money where their mouth is but I’ll hang on to my hard earned money as best I can. btw: I find it interesting that the “poor” in 3rd world countries are usually skinny and emaciated while the majority of the “poor” in the USA seem to be grossly obese…go figure.
 
your statement contains a lot of very sad and false assumptions on your part. Poverty is a complex problem and it is not just due to high school drop out that choose this. As part of our Catholic faith, we need to have more compassion on the poor not judgemental comments and assumptions about why people are poor. There are many many reasons and it is not up to us to judge why but to met needs of the less fortunate. I would suggest you work at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter and learn some compassion on our brothers and sister that are less unfortunate than ourselves.
 
I hate to tell the OP this. (He’s new) But your thread will be closed by the mod since it doesn’t have a link to a news story. 😦

However, you can open the same thread in Social Justice or Back Fence. 🙂
 
The vast majority of the so called “poor” in the US that everyone worries about are people who chose to drop out of high school
Not all the poor drop out of high school. Of those who complete high school who are still poor, many have problems which keep them poor, and, sad to say, some graduate high school with such a poor education that it is worthless.
and now think they are entitled to a free lunch because they exist.
In fact, many think they are entitled to government help because either they paid into a program for that (Social Security) or as part of their compensation package their employer paid in (Worker’s Comp).
We all know the out of wedlock birth rate among the poor so no need to state the shocking and immoral statistics on that.
And the rate of illegitimate births among pop stars and actors? (Brittany Spears, Kyla Pratt) And among movie and TV characters? And among middle class people?
Let the leftists put their money where their mouth is
I gotta admit, they seem all too often not to (conservatives give more to charity, volunteer more than liberals)
but I’ll hang on to my hard earned money as best I can.
As a Catholic, you should know that you are obliged to help the poor.
btw: I find it interesting that the “poor” in 3rd world countries are usually skinny and emaciated while the majority of the “poor” in the USA seem to be grossly obese…go figure.
A lot of poor people have to live on very little a week and do not necessarily know how to budget wisely or cook. Many eat a lot of very fattening foods, because a lot of cheap foods are quite fattening, like mac ‘n’ cheese. In addition, a lot of poor people are poor because of their health, which makes getting exercise difficult for them.

Maybe you could start a class in a community center in the poor part of town which would teach poor people how to stretch their dollars by improving their cooking.
 
You sound like a typical rich person. I’m sorry but you are making so many assumptions about the poor. I hope you never end up that way because you’ll realize its way different than what you think. I also think, when you think of poor, you are thinking of the working poor. Those who maybe work in low income jobs and get some assistance, but might not need it. The truly poor don’t live like your assumptions
 
A large percentage of poor people in America are black, and we know many of them descended from the slave trade, they were brought to America against their will.

I visited America last year for the first time, and went to Arlington Cemetery; people had to fight for their country to get a place there. Right up to the 1950’s all the blacks who had fought for their country were segregated and tucked away in the back corner. Blacks have been fighting for all kinds of equalities, even to sit down in any part of a bus was not granted until the 1960s.

America is not this land of social justice, the poor and oppressed have had to fight for most of the things we take for granted, and there is still much to do.

Blessings

Eric
 
The vast majority of the so called “poor” in the US that everyone worries about are people who chose to drop out of high school and now think they are entitled to a free lunch because they exist. We all know the out of wedlock birth rate among the poor so no need to state the shocking and immoral statistics on that. Let the leftists put their money where their mouth is but I’ll hang on to my hard earned money as best I can. btw: I find it interesting that the “poor” in 3rd world countries are usually skinny and emaciated while the majority of the “poor” in the USA seem to be grossly obese…go figure.
I don’t even know where to start with this. Unless you just woke up from a coma you’ve been in for the last fifteen years, I don’t know how you could know so little about the state of the economy.

I’m 26 and married 3 yrs (would like to have a child in the near future). I’m over halfway through college. It’s taking me quite awhile because it’s hard to go to school and hold down a job that doesn’t conflict with class schedule. I’ve even tried to get work at McDonalds. I worked there in high school, so I thought I could at least work there now, til I graduate. It took me about a year to get an interview there (everywhere else I interviewed in the meantime wouldn’t work around a class schedule). I didn’t get the job at McDs, not because there was anything wrong with me, but because there were so many people interviewed for 2 openings and I just didn’t stick out enough.

Currently I am doing whatever odd job I can get (painting, lawn care, etc.), but nothing steady. Every month I have to worry about wether I am going to make rent or not. It wouldn’t bother me so much if I wasn’t married. I could always crash on my dads couch if it was just me, but he doesn’t have room for both of us. My dad is also just scraping by. He is on disability from the sheriffs dept (injured on the job and not sufficiently compensated).

I honestly can’t think of one high school dropout I know, but I do know several people with bachelors degrees that either cant get a job or are working for min. wage.
 
I came from a lower middle income family and worked hard to go to college and become successful which was the mantra in the Catholic high school I attended. I have no problem with contributing to the poor however I must agree with tietrack. I see the new definition of poor in America is a home mortgage they complain about because they bought off on liberal low interest loans, two cars in the driveway, and food stamps and lunch programs because they know how to scam the new American way. I see customers with tatttoos, body mods, iphones, high end cloths and live off medicaid, food stamps, ssi, unemployment, federal housing and have no intention of working or paying into the tax system that burdens hard working people that have morals and dignity. The people who complain the most take the most out of the system and have an unwed birth rate of over 70%! Most don’t even know their father! How can this system recover by just throwing money at them and making wage earners feel guilty through “charities”. A system that will make more of the “poor” in America government dependents is unfortunately probably going to get re-elected and then my increased taxes will then pay for more abortions and anti-catholic programs. Show me the real poor and I’ll contribute but until then my increased tax dollars in this new socialized “America” will be enough.
 
Do you consider that there are often underlying issues with some drop outs? I.e. psychological problems, economic situations, etc.? I had a good friend who dropped out to start working to help support his family who were subsisting on his mother’s meager income while struggling with a mounting pile of medical bills for his physically and psychologically disabled father, unable to get adequate assistance even from the government to maintain their 20 year old, falling to pieces motor home. Life isn’t a bowl of cherries for everybody and your self righteous ranting really raises my ire. Not everyone can be a winner in the game of life, and it’s truly maddening to hear this kind of judgmental generalizing. Don’t judge until you’ve walked a mile in another man’s shoes.
 
The vast majority of the so called “poor” in the US that everyone worries about are people who chose to drop out of high school and now think they are entitled to a free lunch because they exist. We all know the out of wedlock birth rate among the poor so no need to state the shocking and immoral statistics on that. Let the leftists put their money where their mouth is but I’ll hang on to my hard earned money as best I can. btw: I find it interesting that the “poor” in 3rd world countries are usually skinny and emaciated while the majority of the “poor” in the USA seem to be grossly obese…go figure.
I don’t think you are likely to receive much validation regarding your comments about the poor on this Forum from either liberals or conservatives. A few points are in order. First, there is a whole group of people who are classified as the working poor. These people are not all high-school dropouts or college dropouts; some have completed college and beyond. They are mainly underemployed, working part-time, or sometimes working one or two low-paying jobs. They may also live in places, such as New York City, where the cost of living is very high. Second, it is true that people in third-world countries who are skinny may actually be starving rather than the poor in the US who are hungry and malnourished but not yet at the point of starvation, although some are. The obesity you speak of often results from eating unhealthy foods high in carbohydrates because these foods are the cheapest. Third, although you didn’t mention it, I would point out that there are more White people who are poor, including working poor, in the US than Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and other minorities. Native Americans are the ethnic group that has the highest incidence of poverty, physical disease, psychological disorders, and suicide.

As Elizabeth advised, you need a news article to post a thread in the News Forum, but a moderator may also redirect your thread to the Social Justice Forum.
 
While the OP is very much off-kilter about his perceptions of poverty, I can’t say I don’t understand where he’s coming from. Until recently I shared similar concepts. To the OP, all I can say is that it is a highly complex series of problems, some of it rests on the people themselves, some of it rests on the government, and some of it rests on the circumstances into which they were born. You cannot cast blanket statement over all of them. It may be difficult, but compassion is key; I’m still struggling to develop some myself, but working to improve ourselves is part of Catholic living.
I came from a lower middle income family and worked hard to go to college and become successful which was the mantra in the Catholic high school I attended. I have no problem with contributing to the poor however I must agree with tietrack. I see the new definition of poor in America is a home mortgage they complain about because they bought off on liberal low interest loans, two cars in the driveway, and food stamps and lunch programs because they know how to scam the new American way. I see customers with tatttoos, body mods, iphones, high end cloths and live off medicaid, food stamps, ssi, unemployment, federal housing and have no intention of working or paying into the tax system that burdens hard working people that have morals and dignity. The people who complain the most take the most out of the system and have an unwed birth rate of over 70%! Most don’t even know their father! How can this system recover by just throwing money at them and making wage earners feel guilty through “charities”. A system that will make more of the “poor” in America government dependents is unfortunately probably going to get re-elected and then my increased taxes will then pay for more abortions and anti-catholic programs. Show me the real poor and I’ll contribute but until then my increased tax dollars in this new socialized “America” will be enough.
That said, I agree with a lot of this post. I’ve driven through trailer parks and seen cars on par with what are in the nicest neighborhoods. I’ve seen complex (and expensive) tattoos and body modifications. Iphones (which required $100+ monthly data plans) and several other superfluous items that are really just wastes of money. If they were making all the money themselves and wasting it then that’s their choice, but there are living off the government, which means they are wasting money that’s meant to support the family and provide necessities. Those are the types of people I have a problem with.

One example, I know a woman who has had three children by three different illegal immigrants. She is in her thirties or forties, lives with her parents, does not work, and still goes out dating and partying rather than giving her children the appropriate amount of attention. Often times, she leaves them with her parents, who are supporting her on their already meager means (they are retired, and her mother his back problems) She refuses to get a job because then she won’t be on medicaid anymore.

Those are the types of people we should cut off governmental support to. She is perfectly capable of handling a job, maybe not a highly skilled one, but a job non-the-less. People who are disabled, or have some other legitimate impediment stopping them should still receive support, but those who are refusing simply because it’s a burden to them should have to fend for themselves, or at least make some stride towards supporting themselves.
 
I am a retired teacher who has had the opportunity to teach in the inner city school system of a depressed town in the Midwest of our country. Many of the students we served had only one meal a day, the one we provided at school. They kept their coats on all day, no matter the season, so they wouldn’t be stolen. Their neighbohoods were dangerous with many of their homes hardly inhabitable. To thrive in is environment took great courage and help from many sources. If you were born into this place what you would grow to think was “normal” would be very different from the way people who are not poor think. To break his cycle will require great change, it does not happen easily or over night. One thing I would hope each of us could agree on would be a commitment to pray for these people and all of the poor in this world who need help.
 
Children represent a disproportionate share of the poor in the United States; they are 24 percent of the total population, but 36 percent of the poor population. In 2010, 16.4 million children, or 22.0 percent, were poor.

npc.umich.edu/poverty/
 
By most people’s standards I am poor. I live well below the poverty line. I graduated high school and even attended a little college. I do not get any benefits from the government as many poor people do. We are not all a cookie cutter image.
 
That’s a very uncharitable view of the poor. SOME poor are high school drop-outs. Some are PHD’s that have lost their jobs, had crippling injury or illness, or succumbed to addiction. Some never went to high school in the first place, so couldn’t have dropped out. Some are mentally ill. Some are orphans. Some are widows. Some are victims of scams or crime. Some are victims of natural disaster. Some were just born poor, and were never able to lift themselves out of poverty.

There are many more types of poor people than I’ve listed above. Use your imagination, and use your heart.
 
As a Catholic, I think facilitating self-destructive behavior is sinful. :sad_yes:
I agree; however, I live in a rural area where everyone knows everyone else. I know that some of the “poor” in this area are pretty much scamming the system: housing drug dealers in their Section 8 house, partying all the time, having a really fancy cell phone (apparently they have changed that program so this should stop at some point), etc.

I also know people who didn’t make much when they were working so all they have is the Social Security and they are living in travel trailers in the back yards of relatives. A sister who does not qualify for any aid who cares for her sister who is very disabled and needs 24/7 care. A woman who can’t walk because her spine is disintegrating and the operation she needs is not covered. A man who can’t eat because his throat was injured in a VA operation. A woman whose husband preferred drugs to her and their children…

Yeah, people who shouldn’t get onto the dole, and that is a shame. But what is really a shame is that those who need it aren’t getting enough.

And what is *really *a shame is that the poor only get about 30 cents for every dollar taxpayers pay. 70% disappears into “administrative costs.” To me, *that *is the real problem.
 
Man, what a jerk.

Ouch, Catholic guilt just hit me for that first line. I’m sorry I shouldn’t judge. I’ve let my emotions get the better of me and gone on internet rants too.

Let me answer your question:

Q: Are the US “poor” just high school drop outs?

A: Nope

I’m not happy to say it but I’m among the swelling ranks of impoverished High School graduates. It’s crazy yes, but earning a genuine real-deal US public school system diploma wasn’t a ticket to a living wage job with health care.
  • My full time job pays $300 a week. I could earn more taking a job in service or retail that doesn’t require a HS diploma (assuming one can even find one of those jobs) but I need to intern in order to beat the “need experience to get a job/ need a job to get experience catch-22.”
I love the work but it does require me to

  1. *]move across the state
    *]sleep on a couch
    *]go back into the unemployment pool when it ends (in 5 days)

    -My bank account is negative $31 (my fault, I didn’t mean to overdraft). I’m living off of three day old coffee and cookies from a work meeting we had (why are the US poor fat? The healthy food is more expensive.) I have 11 dollars cash in my wallet. Plus, I found out they’re mailing my last paycheck to my house on the other side of the state.

    I’m happy though. God is good, church is free, I have my health, and I believe things will get better one day (if God wills it).

    Please my fellow Catholics, lets keep helping the poor like we have for 2000 years. Jesus said to, and he said it for a reason. They need help.

    If you’re a taxpayer (like me! yes we pay taxes!) THANK YOU. You’re paying for my college tuition.

    Also, I’m able to stay on my parent’s health care because of…

    Well, no reason to say the argument starter. It is really comforting to know you have health insurance though.

    Even the poor can help the poor, when I was back in Miami I helped out with my parish’s Hope for the Homeless program. Don’t write those folks off, a little bit of grace in their lives really helps out.
 
I agree; however, I live in a rural area where everyone knows everyone else. I know that some of the “poor” in this area are pretty much scamming the system: housing drug dealers in their Section 8 house, partying all the time, having a really fancy cell phone (apparently they have changed that program so this should stop at some point), etc.

I also know people who didn’t make much when they were working so all they have is the Social Security and they are living in travel trailers in the back yards of relatives. A sister who does not qualify for any aid who cares for her sister who is very disabled and needs 24/7 care. A woman who can’t walk because her spine is disintegrating and the operation she needs is not covered. A man who can’t eat because his throat was injured in a VA operation. A woman whose husband preferred drugs to her and their children…

Yeah, people who shouldn’t get onto the dole, and that is a shame. But what is really a shame is that those who need it aren’t getting enough.

And what is *really *a shame is that the poor only get about 30 cents for every dollar taxpayers pay. 70% disappears into “administrative costs.” To me, *that *is the real problem.
What does all this have to do with self-destructive behavior? Except for those scamming the system, it doesn’t look like any of it. Would you buy a bus ticket for a poor woman to travel to another state to be near her boyfriend who is in jail?
 
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