Are the women who seek abortion victims, too?

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Evania said:
But three things have to be simultaneously in place for a mortal sin to have happened, and it’s impossible to look at a woman entering the clinic and judge her level of knowledge and willfull consent. Even Fr. Frank Pavone would tell you that the majority of women who enter a clinic feel scared and coerced in some fashion, so yes it is the norm. Is it true for everyone? No. Abortion is a horrible sin, no doubt! However, we shouldn’t let our righteous thirst for justice blind us to the fact that there are two victims, one who is dead and one who was lied to in order to accomplish it. Who is the real perpetuator? Society! A woman at my church once wrote a letter expressing her anguish over her pregnancy with twins. Her boyfriend left her, and then found out that she lost her job. She had five children at home already. She was terrified. A woman who had 6 kids, reached out to her and said, “Please don’t abort your babies. If you feel that’s what you’re going to do, I will take them and provide for them.” In my opinion, we need to increase our outreach even if it means personally sacrificing a chunk of ourselves in order to save these angels. The fears that these women feel are real. Abortion is a sin of society. We can always go the extra mile to help her out so it eliminates that desperation.
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Yes,I agree,all abortions are obtained because of fear,also I agree that the grievous nature of the sin of abortion is obscured by that fear.,regardless of the circumstances.:(😦
 
SW, I didn’t see your new thread when I posted this in another thread. God offers these post abortive mothers and fathers His love and His forgiveness. He allows us to sometimes see into the pain and suffering they feel. He allows us to reach out to them with love.

These mothers and fathers will not be jailed for their “murder” of their child, but they may very well be in their “own prison”. We are called to visit those in prison. We are called to serve one another. Let us offer God’s love to our post-abortive Sisters and Brothers. We sit next to many of them every day, even in our pews at Mass and pass them on the street and at the store. They may never share with us their abortion. We can share being Pro-Life with everyone, including offering love for both the mother and child.

Peace.

Men and women are both, often, victims of abortion.

Today’s society has told them “abortion is a right”. To fall into belief that it is true - a person is a victim of the false teaching of society.

Sometimes misguided friends, family, the baby’s father - think it will be best for the mother based on society’s false teaching that abortion is an answer. This misinformed person has become a “victim” of the false teaching of society. They really think they are helping the mother. The mother becomes a victim.

Religious groups (many Protestant denominations) tell their members it is a decision between the mother and God and support her destroying her child. The members of that denomination who believe abortion is okay - are victims of false teachings under the name of God and religion.

The scared, frightened, young mother who looks with frantic about how she will face her family, or finish school, or feed her child - is a victim of our society who tells her that aborting the baby will “cure” her problem. We need to be ever ready to assist mothers and fathers to let them know there are pregnancy centers who can help find the solutions - encouragement that she does not need to abort, that there is another choice - life.

The mother who is forced by the father or her parents to abort - is a victim of the power the person places over her. The incest victim becomes victimized again when forced to abort her child to cover up their crime against her of incest.

The mother who conceived her child through rape is told she should abort the “monster’s baby”. Many good and loving, pro-life people will fall for this false teaching. Mothers often need more counseling for the trauma they suffer from aborting their child than for the trauma they suffered from the rapist. They were over powered by and harmed by the rapist. Then the mother realizes she over powered her innocent child and harmed her baby through abortion. Those who accept that mothers of children conceived through rape should abort their children - are victims of our society’s false teaching.

The mother at the abortion clinic who is told this is not a baby, just a blob of tissue - is a victim of the abortion industry.

The mother who is told by her doctor that her baby will die and so will she - who aborts with sorrow in her heart because she was told she “had to abort” by someone she trusted - her doctor - is a victim.

The abortion clinic workers who truly think they are helping mothers - are victims of the evils of abortion and society’s false teaching.

The frightened mother wanting desperately to leave the abortion table, but who feels over powered by the coldness, cruelness of the abortionist - is a victim of the abortionist.

When a post-abortive woman hears someone speak about mothers who abort with harsh words -murderer, etc., they often will despise themselves even more. They fear others will find out their horrible secret. The pain they place upon themselves is far more than any words someone might call them. Abortion is evil and evil is happy to have as many victims as possible.

We all need to be ready to help post-abortive parents find help through programs such as Project Rachel, a confidential healing program which is offered in many dioceses or other programs and websites.

When a mother goes into the abortion clinic - one heart stops and the other heart breaks. Both are victims. I believe the sweet child from Heaven prays for the conversion of her mother’s and father’s hearts and for the healing of both parents.

May there be no more babies dying from abortion and no more mothers and fathers grieving for a lifetime from abortion.
 
sw85 said:
I may also be skeptical of this line of argument because I have heard pro-abortion types retort that they might not be so psychologically damaged if we pro-lifers weren’t always saying abortion is murder. In other words, the line of argument makes it possible for them (the apologists for murder) to paint us as the bad guys (for being “judgmental”).
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Keep in mind that the outspoken loud mouth pro-aborts are usually not the ones that are actually entering the clinic. They are usually the ones who say, “I don’t believe in abortion for myself, but if anyone ELSE wants to have one, then that’s their right!” That message just serves to confuse the judgement of the women who are actually getting it done. Those are the voices that the parents, peers, and boyfriend look to in pressuring the woman into thinking that it’s no big deal… I remember a quote from Archbishop Fulton Sheen, “If you are a woman, you are the Enemy’s number 1 target.” He even wrote a book about the sanctity of womanhood and how it is under attack.
 
RoseMary131 said:
SW, I didn’t see your new thread when I posted this in another thread. God offers these post abortive mothers and fathers His love and His forgiveness. He allows us to sometimes see into the pain and suffering they feel. He allows us to reach out to them with love.

These mothers and fathers will not be jailed for their “murder” of their child, but they may very well be in their “own prison”. We are called to visit those in prison. We are called to serve one another. Let us offer God’s love to our post-abortive Sisters and Brothers. We sit next to many of them every day, even in our pews at Mass and pass them on the street and at the store. They may never share with us their abortion. We can share being Pro-Life with everyone, including offering love for both the mother and COLOR]

Beautiful,thank you!😉
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Women and men alike could many times be regarded as victims in the sense that they were raised in a culture which teaches that pregnancies are “mistakes” that can easily be corrected through an abortion. The baby in the womb is dehumanized.

Here in America most of us are raised to believe that abortion is nothing but a “corrective” procedure to fix our “mistakes”.

It’s a real shame.
 
sw85 said:
I may also be skeptical of this line of argument because I have heard pro-abortion types retort that they might not be so psychologically damaged if we pro-lifers weren’t always saying abortion is murder. In other words, the line of argument makes it possible for them (the apologists for murder) to paint us as the bad guys (for being “judgmental”).
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Psychological damage happens even in places where abortion is illegal and where there is no such thing as “pro-life” or “pro-abortion” movements. The only ones who don’t suffer any psychological damage and don’t consider themselves murderers are the ones who exercise their paternalistic right to send those girls and women to have back-alley abortions. Husbands, partners and parents.
 
We pro-lifers focus on the effect an abortion will have on the mother because that is what she is thinking of. She’s not thinking of the effect on the “fetus,” but of her plans for school or work that will be changed if she carries her baby to term. She’s often terrified, so assuaging her fears may enable her to carry her baby.
I remember during childbirth, at one point forgetting that there was a baby involved. I was so focused on my own condition I ignored the whole point of the thing. I suspect women who turn to abortion are in a similar frame of mind.
 
Evania said:
Women most certainly are victims. Have you heard of the case of the 13 year old suing her parents for trying to force her to have an abortion? I admire her bravery. How many other girls are forced in a similar manner? I personally have heard of several. They are lied to, coerced, and made to feel fearful of their futures. Not only that, but you usually have the boyfriend pressuring her for the same reasons, not to mention his family. In an interview, a former Planned Parenthood staffer, recounted a time when the waiting room was filled with broken girls who were crying as they left after their abortion. EVERY SINGLE boyfriend had a bouquet of flowers to present to them. Disgusting. Abortion is a big business. It is a machine. Send a young, vulnerable woman in there, and the odds that she’ll choose life are slim to none. Thank God for the compassionate pro-life people who she sees praying on her way in. A woman who later decided to not go through with her abortion said, " I didn’t really want to do this. I just felt I had no other option. I had no one to talk to." Is having an abortion a sin? Yes! Is acknowledging that women are victims of abortion wrong? Not at all,.
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I agree with this. By the way the girl is 16 but she is brave enough to go against her parents trying to force her to abort. Many girls have not been that strong and they are forced to do it against their will. The web site----“the unchoice” tells their stories. Many girls plus women are forced or coerced to abort.

I heard Gloria Allred talking about the girl on TV tonight. She is pro abortion, she has had one herself although she never said that on TV but she went to Tillers funeral and said it at that time. She would like to see the girl go to PP and get counseling to find out just how hard her life will be with a baby, financially and otherwise. No mention of adoption at all. Plus PP counselors are known to push abortion as the best choice and not many other choices.

These high profile women like Gloria and the other women who have high power careers look so selfish in my mind. They have no time for a baby since it will get in their way of climbing the ladder. Really sad.
 
Lisa1967 said:
My great grandmother died of a self induced abortion in 1909 when she was expecting her seventh child. I believe she was a desperate woman who couldn’t face another child. Maybe there wasn’t anyone around to help her seek another way. I wouldn’t call her a victim, but I have some sympathy for her. It was tragic for the family. Not only were she and the baby dead, but the father put the two youngest in an orphanage until he remarried. One of the children placed there, my grandfather (age 2 when his mother died) contracted an eye disease there which left him visually impaired. I think it’s better not to condemn people in this situation, but to help them.
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One would need to have a heart of stone to not feel compassion for your great grandmother.

It is important that we don’t forget that along with her death her unborn child also died. In cases of abortion no matter what the risk to the mother there is also a risk to the child.

The Good Counsel Network in London are an example of a Catholic approach to abortion. (Its prevention where possible that is). They strive to offer support and options other than abortion to women who feel that they have no choice.

goodcounselnet.co.uk
 
vames said:
Psychological damage happens even in places where abortion is illegal and where there is no such thing as “pro-life” or “pro-abortion” movements. The only ones who don’t suffer any psychological damage and don’t consider themselves murderers are the ones who exercise their paternalistic right to send those girls and women to have back-alley abortions. Husbands, partners and parents.
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Many husbands, boyfriends, and parents of the mother do suffer when they realize they murdered their precious child.

Post Abortive Healing ministries reach out to invite them also to forgive themselves, accept God’s forgiveness, and ask the baby to forgive them.

Heritage House has a pamphlet Fathers No More:
hh76.org/details.aspx?prod_id=1758

Written to every man that has lost a child to abortion. Some men encouraged their partner to abort, some opposed it, and some were passive. But each will experience the pain of loss. This brochure encourages abortive fathers to forgive themselves and their partners. It tackles the very difficult issue of grieving for a man. Our society expects men to be “tough” and unaffected by abortion. But nothing could be farther from reality. The healing process has to begin with the father realizing the need to grieve and heal. Includes a listing of where to go for help.

From an abortion healing program: Raphael’s Way:
Come and experience the healing love of God in the company of others who understand. Our day retreats and 7-week groups are open to women and men, and to anyone hurting because of abortion, regardless of how many years it has been.
 
Thank you for your sympathy, spudbynight, and the link.

My great-grandmother lived in a small town in Indiana and I don’t know if anyone reached out to her.

I am glad there are ministries now to help women and men considering abortion.
 
Abortion is presented and “sold” to women as medical care. Legal abortions are provided by doctors that are licensed by the state. All** women who obtain legal abortions are victims of medical malpractice.**

The older version of the hypocratic oath included: “I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.”

No decent doctor would intentionally kill the child of a pregnant patient. Abortion is not proper care within the practice of medicine. It takes intentional neglect or ignorance for any doctor performing an abortion to fail to recognize that they are removing human body parts and stopping the beating of a human heart during an abortion.

Here’s the definition of malpractice http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/malpractice
1.failure of a professional person, as a physician or lawyer, to render proper services through reprehensible ignorance or negligence or through criminal intent, especially when injury or loss follows.
  1. any improper, negligent practice; misconduct or misuse.
 
Viki63 said:
We pro-lifers focus on the effect an abortion will have on the mother because that is what she is thinking of. She’s not thinking of the effect on the “fetus,” but of her plans for school or work that will be changed if she carries her baby to term. She’s often terrified, so assuaging her fears may enable her to carry her baby.
I remember during childbirth, at one point forgetting that there was a baby involved. I was so focused on my own condition I ignored the whole point of the thing. I suspect women who turn to abortion are in a similar frame of mind.
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This is a good point. Again,most ,if not all women choose abortion,thinking it will take care of their problem.Sidewalk counseling has shown to very effective .I also think counseling coming from a women who has actually experienced an abortion will be even more effective.These woman are so focused on taking care of their situation,they aren’t thinking at all of the repercussions. Yet the fallout is unavoidable…😦
 
Catholic80 said:
I think there’s a big difference between someone who is deliberately committing a crime, knowing it’s wrong, and a woman who is scared and often pressured into doing something she doesn’t want to do, all the while being fed lies by her most intimate relations - her family, friends, bf/spouse, doctor, nurse, with the media and society not only telling her it’s a good decision, but promoting the idea.

Women who regret their abortions often say, “If I had know the truth…” How can we not have compassion on someone who is so cruelly deceived and who suffers so much? Christ had compassion for sinners and we should do the same.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight abortion ardently. The people who are most guilty are not the mothers, but the doctors, legislators and persons who promote abortion. They are educated and are not in a vulnerable situation where the rest of their lives will be dramatically changed forever. They flat out refuse truth, or are highly deceived themselves.

But as all sin goes, shouldn’t we have compassion on all sinners who regret their sin? Didn’t Christ do that? The thief who was crucified next to him suffered, the prostitute suffered, the demoniac suffered… Christ says several times to St. Faustina in her diary, the worse the sin, the more the sinner has a right to His mercy and that the worst sins are but a drop in the vast ocean of His mercy. Then, the Bible says, “Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” The parallel Gospel reads the same passage as, “Be merciful as your heavenly Father is merciful.” How are we to follow Christ in perfection? By being merciful. And aren’t we all sheep who have been led astray by the lies of the devil.

In short, one could argue that we are all guilty, and at the same time, we are all victims. Yes, a woman who has an abortion is guilty, but she is also a victim of the largest deception of lies. Even if those reasons are selfish reasons, then all the more we should have compassion because she is so deceived as to believe that her selfish desires will bring her happiness.

Being a victim does not eradicate responsibility. At the same time, it is erroneous to say that the woman bears 100% of the responsibility. The sinner who sins out of passion is less at fault then the sinner who sins with full knowledge. Again, the abortionists and law makers and Planned Parenthood are in it for the $$ and for themselves. The BF who doesn’t want to have to own up to being a father, or the family who doesn’t want to be embarrassed by having their teenage daughter be pregnant has a bigger part in the responsibility than a scared, vulnerable young woman or teen. Every case is different, but I have yet to meet a woman who actually wanted to have an abortion. There are, however, abortionists who want to do abortions because of the high $$.
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Perfect, excellent answer! 👍
 
sw85 said:
It’s also interesting to me that I don’t even think pro-lifers take this argument seriously, since we literally never apply it to anyone else. We never say “You shouldn’t beat up and rob people because you might feel bad afterward.” They really might feel bad afterward, but that, of course, isn’t the reason they shouldn’t do it and it’s not even in the top five list of reasons they shouldn’t do it.
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Society does not suggest that people should solve any “problem” by beating up and robbing people. The President of the United States does not fight to keep “beating up and robbing people” a “right”, a “health choice.”

Abortion (a pure evil) is promoted by the government and many in society as a solution to the normal functioning human body of reproduction. People hear that abortion is a solution to pregnancy. It is pushed as a “medical solution”. Beating up and robbing people is not.

A solution to high blood pressure might be diet and exercise, and possibly a medication. People look to the solution to solve the issue. The doctor monitor’s the person’s health as they begin the diet and exercise, and the medication. The medication comes with a warning label: not to be used by people with problems x, y, and z. The mediations comes with a list of possible side effects, when to stop the medication, when to contact a doctor. People put a “trust” into the medical community and the FDA regulations.

Abortion doesn’t come with the list of warnings. The mother is not going to receive the list of possible side effects.

The abortionist isn’t going to tell the mom the likelihood of perforating her uterus during the abortion while blindly cutting her child apart. She isn’t going to see the instruments or the dismembered body of the last precious child who just lost her life.

When the government is fighting for the mother’s “right” to rip her child apart, no one is telling her about what her baby is feeling or how her child’s body will look. The lawmakers and news reporters aren’t telling mothers the warning side effects when she realizes it was her own precious child that she subjected to being pulled apart.

The abortionist and government isn’t making sure the mother understands fully what her life will be like afterwards.

theunchoice.com/pdf/OnePageFactSheets/PhysicalRisksSheet1.pdf

~ 6 times more likely to die of suicide than those who gave birth

~ leading causes of abortion-related maternal deaths within a week of abortion are hemorrhage,
infection, embolism, anesthesia complications, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies.

~ Significantly increased risk of breast cancer, cervical cancer

~ Self-destructive lifestyles, spiraling health problems — Increased risk of promiscuity, smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders, which all put the woman at increased risk for other health problems.

~ Abortion can damage reproductive organs and cause long-term and sometimes permanent problems that can put future pregnancies at risk.

~ Cervical and uterine damage may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor, and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These complications are the leading causes of disabilities among newborns.

Thankfully pro-lifers do take this seriously, unlike your suggestion. They fight at the state and national level to make sure mothers know the facts.

Pro-lifers on the front line at pregnancy resource centers, outside abortion mills, and those who promote the Gospel of Life through friendships and sharing with co-workers and classmates, and donating to pregnancy centers… do take this very seriously.

Not only do pro-lifers work to save the life of the unborn child, but to help save the mother/father from the abortion as well. Pro-lifer’s aren’t choosing the mother over the baby, or the baby over the mother. When one is saved from the abortion, both are saved fom the abortion.

To say, “you might feel bad afterwards” as you suggested is not exactly the correct wording. “You may have a a very high chance of experiencing mental and physical lifelong health problems” is a bit closer.

People need to know the risk of mental and physical health problems while they are in a state of “normal thought process”, before faced with an unexpected pregnancy. If a person is already in a “fight or flight” mentality, the “information”, if any is given to the mother, on risk factors does not penetrate their thinking. These risks are much more than “you might feel bad afterwards.”

We have a government that fights to hide the medical facts, or cover them up in the name of health care and women’s right. Thankfully pro-lifers are willing to share this information with women.
 
RoseMary131 said:
Society does not suggest that people should solve any “problem” by beating up and robbing people. The President of the United States does not fight to keep “beating up and robbing people” a “right”, a “health choice.”

Abortion (a pure evil) is promoted by the government and many in society as a solution to the normal functioning human body of reproduction. People hear that abortion is a solution to pregnancy. It is pushed as a “medical solution”. Beating up and robbing people is not.

A solution to high blood pressure might be diet and exercise, and possibly a medication. People look to the solution to solve the issue. The doctor monitor’s the person’s health as they begin the diet and exercise, and the medication. The medication comes with a warning label: not to be used by people with problems x, y, and z. The mediations comes with a list of possible side effects, when to stop the medication, when to contact a doctor. People put a “trust” into the medical community and the FDA regulations.

Abortion doesn’t come with the list of warnings. The mother is not going to receive the list of possible side effects.

The abortionist isn’t going to tell the mom the likelihood of perforating her uterus during the abortion while blindly cutting her child apart. She isn’t going to see the instruments or the dismembered body of the last precious child who just lost her life.

When the government is fighting for the mother’s “right” to rip her child apart, no one is telling her about what her baby is feeling or how her child’s body will look. The lawmakers and news reporters aren’t telling mothers the warning side effects when she realizes it was her own precious child that she subjected to being pulled apart.

The abortionist and government isn’t making sure the mother understands fully what her life will be like afterwards.

theunchoice.com/pdf/OnePageFactSheets/PhysicalRisksSheet1.pdf

~ 6 times more likely to die of suicide than those who gave birth

~ leading causes of abortion-related maternal deaths within a week of abortion are hemorrhage,
infection, embolism, anesthesia complications, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies.

~ Significantly increased risk of breast cancer, cervical cancer

~ Self-destructive lifestyles, spiraling health problems — Increased risk of promiscuity, smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders, which all put the woman at increased risk for other health problems.

~ Abortion can damage reproductive organs and cause long-term and sometimes permanent problems that can put future pregnancies at risk.

~ Cervical and uterine damage may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor, and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These complications are the leading causes of disabilities among newborns.

Thankfully pro-lifers do take this seriously, unlike your suggestion. They fight at the state and national level to make sure mothers know the facts.

Pro-lifers on the front line at pregnancy resource centers, outside abortion mills, and those who promote the Gospel of Life through friendships and sharing with co-workers and classmates, and donating to pregnancy centers… do take this very seriously.

Not only do pro-lifers work to save the life of the unborn child, but to help save the mother/father from the abortion as well. Pro-lifer’s aren’t choosing the mother over the baby, or the baby over the mother. When one is saved from the abortion, both are saved fom the abortion.

To say, “you might feel bad afterwards” as you suggested is not exactly the correct wording. “You may have a a very high chance of experiencing mental and physical lifelong health problems” is a bit closer.

People need to know the risk of mental and physical health problems while they are in a state of “normal thought process”, before faced with an unexpected pregnancy. If a person is already in a “fight or flight” mentality, the “information”, if any is given to the mother, on risk factors does not penetrate their thinking. These risks are much more than “you might feel bad afterwards.”

We have a government that fights to hide the medical facts, or cover them up in the name of health care and women’s right. Thankfully pro-lifers are willing to share this information with women.
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Amazing post. Wonderful. Thank you so much!
 
sw85 said:
It’s true in some kind of airy, ultimate sense that sinners are victims of their own sin, maybe even the biggest victims of them. But it’s not true in the ordinary sense in which we use the word “victim.” In the ordinary sense, the victim of a crime is the one who is on the receiving end of the crime, in this case, the murdered baby. The people on the other side of the crime are perpetrators, conspirators, and collaborators.
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Let’s look at this from “the ordinary sense” as you say.

“The victim of a crime is the one who is on the receiving end of the crime, in this case, the murdered baby. The people on the other side of the crime are perpetrators, conspirators, and collaborators…SW85”

The murdered baby is the victim. The post-abortive mother and father, grandparents and good friends who supported or encouraged the abortion all have a possiblity of falling into the victim category, if they bought into the idea that “abortion is a good solution, an answer to a problem, simply another choice.”

“The people on the other side of the crime are perpetrators, conspirators, and collaborators… SW”

Let’s see who these people on the other side of the crime are, who are the perpetrators, conspirators, and collaborators… Sometimes they go by the name, President, abortionist, “Catholic” pro-choice lawmaker, Planned Parenthood.

Look at the “Doctor” who spoke against pro-life legislation being presented in Arkansas. According to Dr. Lowery, if more pro-life laws are passed, UAMS (University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences) won’t have the material needed to train their doctors on abortion. In other words, UAMS needs Arkansas to have less abortion laws, so their doctors have wombs to remove babies. Dr. Lowery is a perpetrator, a conspirator, a collaborator with the evils of abortion, not the “high risk” mother who was sent by her OB for an abortion out of a fear the OB placed in her or the scared young mother who “heard” abortion was a solution when scared to tell her parents she was pregnant.

Dr. Lowery told committee members, “We have national reviewers that come in and review our program, and there are criteria they use to review the ability of the program to train residents. One of them is training residents about contraception and abortion. They cited us for our residents not having adequate training for abortion even now, before this law is enacted. And so we’re going to have to deal with this in some way.”

When Rep. Hammer asked for additional clarification, Dr. Lowery responded, “If you reduce significantly the number of abortions in Arkansas, I don’t know where we’re going to get the opportunity to train our residents. So it puts our program in jeopardy.”

Rep. Justin Harris asked, “So what you’re saying is if we restrict abortions you won’t be able to train your doctors?”

Dr. Lowery replied, “We don’t have material. There’s no way to do it.”

Doctor Lowery’s testimony speaks for itself: In no uncertain terms he told Arkansas’ representatives the state’s leading medical school simply needs to do more abortions, and even went so far as to call pregnant women and unborn children “material.”

When he said those words, people visibly shuddered both on the committee and in the audience. Even people who are not necessarily pro-life appeared uncomfortable.

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sw85 said:
It’s also interesting to me that I don’t even think pro-lifers take this argument seriously, since we literally never apply it to anyone else. We never say “You shouldn’t beat up and rob people because you might feel bad afterward.” They really might feel bad afterward, but that, of course, isn’t the reason they shouldn’t do it and it’s not even in the top five list of reasons they shouldn’t do it.
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I’d like to throw out another thought on the “you might feel bad afterwards” approach.

Ingrained in our very being is a desire not to do something that will cause us to “feel bad” morally, spiritually, physically, or mentally.

That serves a good purpose: it keeps us from a lot of harm… a gift from our Creator.

In the spiritual or moral sense, it is can be called a conscience … another gift from our Creator.

In the simplest form of teaching, we can teach others not to do something because “you might feel bad afterwards”.

Skipping abortion, lets try another set of evil… gang related activity … “beating up and robbing”, “murder”, etc.

Many people in areas where gangs are present seek ways to teach kids that gangs are not a good choice, that gang activity - robbing and beating up people, murder… are not good.

Former gang members reach out to tell their experience. The simplest way to reach the young person might be to let them know “how bad they may feel” as a gang member, “how bad they will feel” after they rob someone, after they murder someone.

How do we sometimes teach people not to drink and drive? We teach them or show them what happens and how “bad they feel” when they kill someone while driving drunk or “how bad they will feel” when they lose an arm from a drunk driving accident.

How do we teach people not to use drugs…we show “how bad you will feel” mentally and physically from drug use.

So, I will disagree with you "in we literally never apply it to anyone else. We never say “You shouldn’t beat up and rob people because you might feel bad afterward.”
 
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