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Eucharist. With the Orthodox, we possess a monopoly on the Blessed Sacrament.
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Actually, aren’t there a quite a few churches that Rome recognizes as having valid priests/sacraments?
The Church of the East from an ver early schism, the Oriental Orthodox (who are a distinct church from the Eastern Orthodox), as well as other more recent schisms like the Polish National Church and the Old Catholics.
Of course, the Old Catholics started ordaining women, whom Rome would say can’t confect the Blessed Sacrament, nor can any priests/bishops ordained by their female bishops, but their male line bishops/priests still have valid orders I believe. I’m sure there many more, even if their number of adherents are small.
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The second point I [ME HERE] found interesting, the last time I checked [several years ago] the Catholic divorce rate was about 50%, near-same as the national average:shrug:
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I did some research, and you were RIGHT!I’m happy to have been wrong here
Thanks and God bless you
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Thank you, As a unchangeable foundation, you are absolutely correct.
BUT here’s what changed
Combine this TRUTH & this reality to reach what the HS has guided the LIVING Church to NOW teach.
1Tim.2 Verses 3 to 5
[3] This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
[4] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[5] For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
And the Protestant Reformation of the 16th Century
GOD who can be defined as "ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED
Then we ask: ARE BEING FAIR AND JUST “GOOD THINGS”/ Of course they are, so we can know that God has to be fair and just.
While the founders of the revolution; Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin ect have MUCH to answer for [ONLY God can judge], the further distanced from that “founding” one is the less is there direct-culpability.
Then they would have been a part of the revolution; more recently they are dare I say “just” followers being misled. So GOD cannot judge them as being the same. Hence the Church through the powers of the KEY’S Mt 16:18-19, Guided by the Holy Spirit, desiring to accomplish what GOD clearly desires [1:Tim. 2: 3-5] has CONDITIONALLY made possible salvation THROUGH, yet OUTSIDE of the RCC
1260 “Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery.” Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation
848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.”
God Bless you
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Good point, THANKSOne has to acknowledge that beer is catholic.One of my favourite beers is brewed in a monastic brewery in Andechs. Wikipedia emphasizes the worlwide export of these nearby perfect beers. Advertising: You should taste it
I said it with a bit of humor. But there is a hidden truth behind. That catholic faith doesn’t mean only an intellectual thing but also love for life (beer, carnival,…). Once, protestants were called “Good Friday Christs” for their grave facial expressions in their daily routine. There is a grain of truth, isn’t it?
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In Jesus Christ of Nazareth - is True life.
And thus in his Church.
And thus in his Church.
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I love it. Belloc just isn’t appreciated as much as he should be – he kind of gets hidden in GKC’s shadow.“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
- Hilaire Belloc
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Beautifully said.
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