Are there any "conservative" Orders out there to join/start in our parishes?

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As I am growing more weary by the day with the Cafeteria Catholics and their endless excuses, tired talking points (e.g., IRAQ WAS NOT A “JUST WAR”!!! IT IS JUST AS BAD AS ABORTION!!!) eerily Orwellian memory-hole lapses, and the squeamish Bishops and other Church heiarchy who enable them, I am looking for something to join or start. Are there any existing “consevative” or "“orthodox” Catholic Orders out there which can be brought to my parish? If not, any ideas on how to start one? As I have stated on other threads, the liberalization, watering down, and pretzel-twisting of Catholic “do’s and don’ts” will lead to nothing but chaos. Just look at our Anglican brothers to see a crystal-clear example of where this leads. And I believe these times are coming upon us now. Look at the divisions on this website. Not just the divisions, but the weak, stale, and frankly lame attempts by the Dem/Obama apologists to explain away their support for the undisputed “Party of Death.”

Folks, I am all for prayer, brotherhood, loving thy neightbor and spreading charity, but that does not mean I or we need to stand idly by while our faith is continuously hijacked and twisted right in front of our collective eyes and in our own parishes. We need to stem the tide and push back with the truth. Indeed, Catholic Answers was started as a reaction to misguided protestants; the same tactics would do well for our misguided Catholic brothers and sisters.

Any help is appreciated.

God Bless.

PS - Someone answered this in another thread, but I have forgotten.
 
Actually, if Iraq is not a just war, then it would be just as bad as abortion. If would be the killing of innocent lives. I don’t think whether anyone thinks the Iraq war is just or not necessarily tells us anything about a person’s orthodoxy. You can be against the Iraq war and still be just as orthodox of a Catholic as the pope.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, if Iraq is not a just war, then it would be just as bad as abortion. If would be the killing of innocent lives. I don’t think whether anyone thinks the Iraq war is just or not necessarily tells us anything about a person’s orthodoxy. You can be against the Iraq war and still be just as orthodox of a Catholic as the pope.
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Especially when one considers that JPII was against the war and called it unjust.
 
I hear what you’re saying. I don’t know of any “orders” to join, but would suggest starting something on your own. But be prepared to encounter resistance. Selling pro-life ideas in a Catholic church can ruffle a lot of feathers.

I know I beat this drum a lot, but I (Cradle Catholic) learned a lot from my Pro-Life Protestant brethren. There was a time in my life where I found more Pro-Life Christians within the Lutheran and Baptist churches. All very positive in forming my faith. One thing I learned is that the Pro-Life cause will never be won by the Catholic Church alone.

Are there any pro-life groups in your area? Arrange for someone to speak at your church. Any adoption (Birthrite?) groups locally? They would also be a great topic for a meeting. You will probably get some resistance from your priest; if he’s lukewarm (and if it’s a lukewarm diocese) he will realize the political strains it will have. They do not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

If all else fails nail the pages of the Catechism stating the Catholic Church’s position on abortion to the doors of the church 🙂

I kid about this, but making copies of those pages and putting them in the pews before Mass is a good start. There will be other pro-life Catholics in the church also; they are also conservative like you but are not as outspoken. One thing I have also learned over the years is that many pro-life parishoners don’t wear their beliefs on their sleeves. Don’t come on too strong, just introduce yourself and start a conversation. I promise before too long you will find common ground on a lot of issues. You will probably make a new freind too 🙂 There’s more of us out there than it appears.
 
My experience with the Benedictans in my area would lead me to classify them as conservative. I can’t speak for them in other areas of the country.

John
 
There are numerous religious orders which staff parishes. The process typically starts with the order forming a relationship with the Bishop of the diocese where they want to operate, and the Bishop finds the parish in his diocese where the order is most needed.

On starting a religious order: most new religious orders are started after the founder (often reluctantly) concludes that God is calling him or her to start a new order. If you were being called to do this, you would know, so I think it’s safe to say that founding a new religious order is not in your future.
atmmgraves said:
As I am growing more weary by the day with the Cafeteria Catholics and their endless excuses, tired talking points (e.g., IRAQ WAS NOT A “JUST WAR”!!! IT IS JUST AS BAD AS ABORTION!!!) eerily Orwellian memory-hole lapses, and the squeamish Bishops and other Church heiarchy who enable them, I am looking for something to join or start. Are there any existing “consevative” or "“orthodox” Catholic Orders out there which can be brought to my parish? If not, any ideas on how to start one? As I have stated on other threads, the liberalization, watering down, and pretzel-twisting of Catholic “do’s and don’ts” will lead to nothing but chaos. Just look at our Anglican brothers to see a crystal-clear example of where this leads. And I believe these times are coming upon us now. Look at the divisions on this website. Not just the divisions, but the weak, stale, and frankly lame attempts by the Dem/Obama apologists to explain away their support for the undisputed “Party of Death.”

Folks, I am all for prayer, brotherhood, loving thy neightbor and spreading charity, but that does not mean I or we need to stand idly by while our faith is continuously hijacked and twisted right in front of our collective eyes and in our own parishes. We need to stem the tide and push back with the truth. Indeed, Catholic Answers was started as a reaction to misguided protestants; the same tactics would do well for our misguided Catholic brothers and sisters.

Any help is appreciated.

God Bless.

PS - Someone answered this in another thread, but I have forgotten.
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Toplink_pin said:
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I kid about this, but making copies of those pages and putting them in the pews before Mass is a good start.
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As someone who works in a parish, I would not recommend that. The proper way to do things is to go through the pastor. To do things any other way is only going to get you labled as a trouble maker, no matter how good your message might be. And papers left in the church only end up in the garbage.
 
Joannm,

This is part of the problem I speak of. The pastors reject the pro-life message, and refuse to stand up. Good folks like the original poster are becoming frustrated with the episcopy. He grows weary from the lukewarm faith now in our churches. He’s looking to join a group of fellow Catholics who are strong in faith and conviction. How sad the churches will now throw away pro-life literature from their pews. This may be the real scandal.

I don’t fear being labelled a troublemaker if I have the Truth of both Scripture and Catechesis on my side. Actually I am a very laid back kinda guy and I rarely make a peep about anything. I’ve found very subtle and effective ways of engaging folks in conversations that get them to think about the abortion issue(s) in a more practical and non-confrontational way.

Yes abortion will make many a parish uncomfortable and uneasy. It still boggles me that the Church that never once endorsed abortion is so queasy about it now. It’s what drove me away many years ago. With the Catholic Church closing churches and with a shrinking priesthood, and scandal always nipping at our heels, we need to at least stand for what the Church teaches. Jesus is looking to us, the laity, to also pick up that Cross. The priests and bishops cannot do it alone.

God Bless!
 
Toplink_pin said:
Joannm,

This is part of the problem I speak of. The pastors reject the pro-life message, and refuse to stand up. Good folks like the original poster are becoming frustrated with the episcopy. He grows weary from the lukewarm faith now in our churches. He’s looking to join a group of fellow Catholics who are strong in faith and conviction. How sad the churches will now throw away pro-life literature from their pews. This may be the real scandal.

I don’t fear being labelled a troublemaker if I have the Truth of both Scripture and Catechesis on my side. Actually I am a very laid back kinda guy and I rarely make a peep about anything. I’ve found very subtle and effective ways of engaging folks in conversations that get them to think about the abortion issue(s) in a more practical and non-confrontational way.

Yes abortion will make many a parish uncomfortable and uneasy. It still boggles me that the Church that never once endorsed abortion is so queasy about it now. It’s what drove me away many years ago. With the Catholic Church closing churches and with a shrinking priesthood, and scandal always nipping at our heels, we need to at least stand for what the Church teaches. Jesus is looking to us, the laity, to also pick up that Cross. The priests and bishops cannot do it alone.

God Bless!
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Does you parish have a Respect Life group. We have a very active one that maintains a book and pamphlet rack in the vestibule of the church. We don’ t want competing groups and in our area there is a “pro-life” group that is pretty radical and gives the pro-life movement a bad name. Therefore if we find their literature we throw it out. Does you diocese have a respect life office. Perhaps they can give you suggestions of what to do in the parish or they can send someone to talk to the pastor. Our Respect Life Committee is very visible in the parish not only with the rack but in the bulletin and through programs like the Baby Bottle program, Baby Shower for the home for unwed mothers, giving out pens to the men on Father’s Day, getting speakers and providing material for kids.
 
Thank you all for your constructive and beneficial (name removed by moderator)ut.

God bless!
 
No “Respect Life” groups at this parish. The church has a school attached to it (up to 6th grade) so much work goes toward keeping the school going (which is a good thing). It is a very profitable parish, a good money maker every Sunday. With the recent closing of some nearby urban churches I expect to see even more in the pews each Sunday. Which I do look forward to seeing some new blood. But in this area the Catholics have always been Democrats, and regardless of religious beliefs and church teachings, and considering the diocese has a liberal bishop, there is a reluctance to embrace anything difficult (like abortion).

I’ve always resisted anything “radical” because that tends to scare people away. I’m a rather laid back guy anyway so it’s not my style. But in general, any kind of “in your face” message, no matter how true, will turn people off. Subtle, gentle discussions are the best. Plus I have kids at this school and people know me in town so there is balance one must keep.

During previous election cycles I have asked permission of the priest to distribute Catholic Answers Voting guides. I gave him a copy first, giving him the choice to approve or disapprove. He said it was ok to distribute and so I did. The very next week all of my voters guides were gone, and replaced with USCCB pamphlets.

I still think quietly distributing information in pews is the best way. Even if only one person picks it up, reads it, lets it soak in and they think for a minute, it was worth it.

If you are in a parish that is more open minded to Pro-Life issues consider yourself lucky. The battleground is much tougher in other areas.

God Bless!
 
oldcelt said:
My experience with the Benedictans in my area would lead me to classify them as conservative. I can’t speak for them in other areas of the country.

John
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Some Benedictines (OSB)are conservative and some are not. Cistercians (OCSO) are stricter than Benedictines, and Carthusians are stricter than Cistercians, but they all follow the Rule of St Benedict.
 
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