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Are there any Faithful Catholics voting for Pro Choice Candidates here?
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:bowdown: this is sad, but quite true.
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TheRealJuliane
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These laws have been expanded to target churches and keep pastors out of the political arena in any way. Pastors and ministers were heavily involved in politics in past centuries, and in fact, our Constitution does not preclude preaching about political candidates. But right now, churches have been greatly hobbled by progressive hatred of religion.No. Sorry but that is incorrect. The Catholic Church does not tell people who to vote for or does not endorse candidates because if it did then the Catholic Church would lose its tax exempt status and would have to register as a PAC [Political Action Committee] rather than a religion. In addition if the Catholic Church told people how to vote or said that voting one way on any particular issue was a sin it could be held liable for infringing on the civil rights of citizens and could be sued for violating one’s civil rights. It could also be liable under Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961-1968. as a Racketeer Influenced Crime Organization [RICO Act]. This act was orginally enacted in 1970 to fight organized crime but has been expanded by Congress since and now is not solely directed at criminal activity as initially enacted but is today applicable to civil law cases also. With the Catholic Bishops still reeling from their sex scandal expose I doubt if any of them has the guts to stand up and subject himself and his diocese to such legal action. After all these are the same bishops who could not agree on refusing the Eucharist to an actively pro-abortion politician And I don’t mean a pro-choice politician I mean a pro- abortion politician.
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dmelosi
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Do you think that people who vote against someone because they are pro abortion are considered a single issue voter?Sure I’ll tell you.
It’s called “Hold your nose and vote for X”. X=Pro-choice canidate who belongs to a party that doesn’t view abortion as a sacrament.
Because, if you vote for “X”, then your voting for a party that will hopefully gain a majority. You can’t even bring a bill into the floor if your not in the majority.
Instead of being one of those delusional single issue voters who sit at home and feel noble or better about themselves because they don’t get their hands dirty, and then watch as the other party wins and abortion skyrockets, why not use ::gasp:: common sense (which, granted, isn’t common) and hold your nose and vote for the person who is going to help your cause in other ways than the canidate who is going to do whatever possible to foward the pro-choice side?
Single issue voters used to really bother me, and they still do to a point. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of people do vote on all the issues.
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Rascalking
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Well, I think if you say, “All I care about is issue X above anything else, and if any canidate is not in agreement with me on issue X, I won’t vote for them at all, even if we agree on a huge amount of other issues” then yes, your a single issue voter.Do you think that people who vote against someone because they are pro abortion are considered a single issue voter?
IE-Your in favor of strict gun rights, nationalized health care, immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Your also pro-life, very much so. Because you will simply not vote for anyone who is pro-choice, than your a single issue voter.
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RosaryFan
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I always find that the pro-abortion candidates never share my views on anything at all. While the pro-life candidates usually share my views on just about everything. So even though I am the “one-issue-voter” as everyone likes to call us, it really is across the board.Well, I think if you say, “All I care about is issue X above anything else, and if any canidate is not in agreement with me on issue X, I won’t vote for them at all, even if we agree on a huge amount of other issues” then yes, your a single issue voter.
IE-Your in favor of strict gun rights, nationalized health care, immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Your also pro-life, very much so. Because you will simply not vote for anyone who is pro-choice, than your a single issue voter.
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Rascalking
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Well, if you choose who to vote for on one issue, than by definition, your a single issue voter. It doesn’t matter what you want to call yourself.I always find that the pro-abortion candidates never share my views on anything at all. While the pro-life candidates usually share my views on just about everything. So even though I am the “one-issue-voter” as everyone likes to call us, it really is across the board.
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RosaryFan
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Yes, but that “one issue” is the life of human beings. I don’t refer to myself as a one-issue voter, because that insinuates that other issues are being neglected and ignored, when in reality, there are no other issues besides life. Maybe I would refer to myself as “THE issue voter”.Well, if you choose who to vote for on one issue, than by definition, your a single issue voter. It doesn’t matter what you want to call yourself.
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Rascalking
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Do whatever you want. That’s the beauty of the greatest country in the world.Yes, but that “one issue” is the life of human beings. I don’t refer to myself as a one-issue voter, because that insinuates that other issues are being neglected and ignored, when in reality, there are no other issues besides life. Maybe I would refer to myself as “THE issue voter”.
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dmelosi
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I would venture to say that everyone has something that is most important to them and tend to believe the party on other (issues).Well, I think if you say, “All I care about is issue X above anything else, and if any canidate is not in agreement with me on issue X, I won’t vote for them at all, even if we agree on a huge amount of other issues” then yes, your a single issue voter.
IE-Your in favor of strict gun rights, nationalized health care, immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Your also pro-life, very much so. Because you will simply not vote for anyone who is pro-choice, than your a single issue voter.
I find it harder to believe much of what the party that promotes death says.
The problem I have with your explanation is that you are calling the killing of a human being an issue and not calling it what it is, the taking of the most innocent of human life.
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Rascalking
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Fine. Taking an human life. Abortion. Killing babies. Juggling chickens. Call it whatever you want too.I would venture to say that everyone has something that is most important to them and tend to believe the party on other (issues).
I find it harder to believe much of what the party that promotes death says.
The problem I have with your explanation is that you are calling the killing of a human being an issue and not calling it what it is, the taking of the most innocent of human life.
I’m just as pro-life as everyone else here, so don’t question my pro-life credentials. I’ve marched, given money to pro-life charities, did all that jazz. I just see the road to ending it in a different way than a few other posters here.
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dmelosi
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I sure did not mean to question your pro-life credentials at all. I have no idea.Fine. Taking an human life. Abortion. Killing babies. Juggling chickens. Call it whatever you want too.
I’m just as pro-life as everyone else here, so don’t question my pro-life credentials. I’ve marched, given money to pro-life charities, did all that jazz. I just see the road to ending it in a different way than a few other posters here.
I do think that by calling the killing of a human being an issue makes it easier for many to ease their own conscience.
I do believe that those who think that the democratic party is trying to do anything but promote abortion are only fooling themselves.
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lil_flower_luv
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How is that?I just see the road to ending it in a different way than a few other posters here.
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Rascalking
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Thanks for asking, and I mean that seriously.How is that?
My plan to end all abortions is to get a whole bunch of one particular party in there. (we probably all know what party, but I’m not sure about the rules here-so, um, let’s just say the party that did quite well recently)
Once that party is the majority, they can nominate and confim judges that are pro-life (Alito, Scalia, type people) and hopefully, one day in the future, overturn Roe v Wade and other abortion legalizing case law.
Is it perfect? No, but it’s a hecuva lot better than the alternative of not voting. No matter what way you try to spin in, not voting is really spitting on the graves of everyone who ever fought and died for the country. Guess what-those dead people matter too.
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Rascalking
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1st sentence-Ok, sorry about that. Some people online think if see the pathway different, they think your not as dedicated to the cause.I sure did not mean to question your pro-life credentials at all. I have no idea.
I do think that by calling the killing of a human being an issue makes it easier for many to ease their own conscience.
I do believe that those who think that the democratic party is trying to do anything but promote abortion are only fooling themselves.
2nd sentence-I agree with you 100 percent.
3rd sentence-I agree with you 100 percent.
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RosaryFan
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Maybe I’ve missed something in the thousands (okay, hundreds) of posts on this thread, but who is not voting? I didn’t think “not voting” was the issue being discussed. Am I lost?Is it perfect? No, but it’s a hecuva lot better than the alternative of not voting. No matter what way you try to spin in, not voting is really spitting on the graves of everyone who ever fought and died for the country. Guess what-those dead people matter too.
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Rascalking
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No, I was just saying not voting is a bad thing to do.Maybe I’ve missed something in the thousands (okay, hundreds) of posts on this thread, but who is not voting? I didn’t think “not voting” was the issue being discussed. Am I lost?
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AnimalGal
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:yawn::yawn:I’m sorry, did you click on the link and watch the whole video?
I put Catholic in quotes because any Catholic who understands that life begins at conception, and that millions of human beings are being slaughtered every year, is not truly Catholic if they vote for a pro-choice candidate.
Now I direct you to watch this video:
Cardinal-designate Raymond Burke Discussing Abortion and Voting
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elts1956
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not according to the research conducted by catholics united which (along with the Us Conference of Catholic Bishops) endorses a more comprehensive approach to the problem. see:
catholics-united.org/files/reducing-abortion-in-america.pdf
“Public policies that reduce the economic status of low-income families and pregnant women are therefore more likely to effectively reduce abortions in the United States than overturning Roe v Wade.”
if you vote for someone specifically because they are pro-choice that is obviously a sin, but if you have good reason to think that the nominally pro-choice candidate will do more to reduce abortion than the nominally pro-life candidate (and there is much reason to expect that democrats will do so), then it is obviously the right choice to vote democratic. i did!
rocinante
So when bo promised Planned Parenthood, before the POTUS election, that the first law he would sign in office was FOCA. That means he is pro life? When on Jan. 23 2009, he rescinded the Mexico City policy which mean our federal dollars support international abortions. This means he is pro life/. Gee, somehow I really got that mixed up.i have never heard of a candidate claiming to be pro-abortion. have you? so that issue is off the table.
it is up to the voter to decide which candidate is more favorable to a culture that respects human dignity.
Now we have bocare which further uses our tax dollars for abortionl. He didn’t need to take yu by the ear and say, listen up, “I will expand abortion around the world”. You didn’t have ears for him to grab. Somehow you missed the trees for the forest.
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CatholicFireman
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That really wasn’t necessary.:yawn::yawn:
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elts1956
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In answer to that.:banghead::banghead::yawn::yawn:
How can one be so arrogant? The progressives just keep marching closer to the pit.
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