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I know the catholic church recognizes that there are some occasions where non-catholics go to heaven but have any actually been canonized?
I am more less referring to modern saints, I have heard of protestants and catholics being martyred together and only the catholics being canonized.Many figures of the Old Testament are considered saints by the Church, even though in the lives they were Jews.
The church only has authority over the lives of Catholics - hence, for example, it only requires Catholics to follow its rules in relation to marriage. So the Church would only presume to have the authority to make declarations about sainthood in regard Catholics.I am more less referring to modern saints, I have heard of protestants and catholics being martyred together and only the catholics being canonized.
isnt it amazing the great power we have! to bad we cant be told how to get to heaven when we die…or can you tell me…is it possible to know that heaven is our final destination…and how can we know beyond the shadow of a doubt??The Church canonizes only Catholics.
you must first tell me what a protestant is…and isnt it true that catholic is the only correct religion?The church only has authority over the lives of Catholics - hence, for example, it only requires Catholics to follow its rules in relation to marriage. So the Church would only presume to have the authority to make declarations about sainthood in regard Catholics.
At least some Protestants would also probably be offended by the Church declaring any Protestant a Saint - as if we were also trying to say they were Catholic or something. And we know some are very anti prayer to or veneration of deceased persons, both of which at least some Catholics would do towards anyone declared a Saint.
you may also want to define for me what it takes to become a person that would be considered a saint.you must first tell me what a protestant is…and isnt it true that catholic is the only correct religion?
Give a full confession of all mortal sins before you die. If you are in the state of grace when you die, salvation is assured.isnt it amazing the great power we have! to bad we cant be told how to get to heaven when we die…or can you tell me…is it possible to know that heaven is our final destination…and how can we know beyond the shadow of a doubt??
Yes, this is true because we are all called to be saints.The one and only requirement to become a saint is to die in a state of grace. Period.
Read the original post fer crying out loud. While any or all of these may be in heaven, that is not what is being asked. They have not been canonised - officially declared by the Catholic Church to be in heaven. The same is true, of course, for many good and pious Catholic souls, since there is a significance to being canonised that goes well beyond simply being a good and saintly person.Lancelot Andrewes, Bishop of Winchester, spiritual writer, theologian
Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Earl of Shaftesbury, social reformer
Vedanayagam Samuel Azariah, bishop in South India, evangelist
Samuel Barnett and Henrietta Barnett, social reformers
Richard Baxter, puritan divine
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Lutheran pastor, martyr
William Booth and Catherine Booth, founders of the Salvation Army
Thomas Bray, founder of the SPCK
John Bunyan, spiritual writer
Joseph Butler, Bishop of Durham, philosopher
Josephine Butler, social reformer
John Calvin, reformer
Wilson Carlile, founder of the Church Army
Edith Cavell, nurse
Charles I, king and martyr
Caroline Chisholm, social reformer
Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury, Reformation martyr
John Donne, priest, poet
Elizabeth Ferard, first Deaconess of the Church of England, founder of the Community of St Andrew
Nicholas Ferrar, deacon, founder of the Little Gidding Community
George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (the Quakers)
Elizabeth Fry, prison reformer
Allen Gardiner, missionary, founder of the South American Mission Society
Isabella Gilmore, deaconess
Charles Gore, bishop, founder of the Community of the Resurrection
James Hannington, bishop of Eastern Equatorial Africa, martyr in Uganda
George Herbert, priest, poet
Octavia Hill, social reformer
Richard Hooker, priest, apologist, theologian
Eglantyne Jebb, social reformer, founder of ‘Save The Children’
Samuel Johnson, moralist
John Keble, priest, tractarian, poet
Thomas Ken, Bishop of Bath and Wells
Geoffrey Studdert Kennedy, priest, poet
Edward King, Bishop of Lincoln
Apolo Kivebulaya, priest, evangelist in Central Africa
Ini Kopuria, founder of the Melanesian Brotherhood
Hugh Latimer, Bishop of Worcester, Reformation martyr
William Laud, Archbishop of Canterbury
William Law, priest, spiritual writer,
Charles Fuge Lowder, priest
Martin Luther, reformer
Janani Luwum, Archbishop of Uganda, martyr
Frederick Denison Maurice, priest
Henry Martyn, translator of the Scriptures, missionary in India and Persia
Bernard Mizeki, apostle of the MaShona, martyr
Harriet Monsell, founder of the Community of St John the Baptist
John Mason Neale, priest, hymn writer
John Henry Newman, Cardinal, tractarian, theologian
Florence Nightingale, nurse, social reformer
John Coleridge Patteson, first Bishop of Melanesia and martyr
Edward Bouverie Pusey, priest, tractarian
Pandita Mary Ramabai, translator of the Scriptures
Nicholas Ridley, Bishop of London, Reformation martyr
Oscar Romero, Archbishop of San Salvador, martyr
Christina Rossetti, poet
Samuel Seabury, first Anglican bishop in North America
Priscilla Lydia Sellon, a restorer of the religious life in the Church of England
George Augustus Selwyn, Bishop of New Zealand
Sadhu Sundar Singh, evangelist, teacher of the Faith
Mary Slessor, missionary in West Africa
Mary Sumner, founder of the Mothers’ Union
Jeremy Taylor, Bishop of Down and Connor
William Temple, Archbishop of Canterbury
Thomas Traherne, poet, spiritual writer
William Tyndale, translator of the Scriptures, Reformation martyr
Evelyn Underhill, spiritual writer
Henry Venn, John Venn, and Henry Venn the younger, priests, evangelical divines
Isaac Watts, hymn writer
Charles Wesley, evangelist, hymn writer
John Wesley, priest, evangelist, hymn writer
William Wilberforce, social reformer
My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding?The church only has authority over the lives of Catholics
W.O.W.Lancelot Andrewes, Bishop of Winchester, spiritual writer, theologian
Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Earl of Shaftesbury, social reformer
Vedanayagam Samuel Azariah, bishop in South India, evangelist
Samuel Barnett and Henrietta Barnett, social reformers
Richard Baxter, puritan divine
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Lutheran pastor, martyr
William Booth and Catherine Booth, founders of the Salvation Army
Thomas Bray, founder of the SPCK
John Bunyan, spiritual writer
Joseph Butler, Bishop of Durham, philosopher
Josephine Butler, social reformer
John Calvin, reformer
Wilson Carlile, founder of the Church Army
Edith Cavell, nurse
Charles I, king and martyr
Caroline Chisholm, social reformer
Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury, Reformation martyr
John Donne, priest, poet
Elizabeth Ferard, first Deaconess of the Church of England, founder of the Community of St Andrew
Nicholas Ferrar, deacon, founder of the Little Gidding Community
George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends (the Quakers)
Elizabeth Fry, prison reformer
Allen Gardiner, missionary, founder of the South American Mission Society
Isabella Gilmore, deaconess
Charles Gore, bishop, founder of the Community of the Resurrection
James Hannington, bishop of Eastern Equatorial Africa, martyr in Uganda
George Herbert, priest, poet
Octavia Hill, social reformer
Richard Hooker, priest, apologist, theologian
Eglantyne Jebb, social reformer, founder of ‘Save The Children’
Samuel Johnson, moralist
John Keble, priest, tractarian, poet
Thomas Ken, Bishop of Bath and Wells
Geoffrey Studdert Kennedy, priest, poet
Edward King, Bishop of Lincoln
Apolo Kivebulaya, priest, evangelist in Central Africa
Ini Kopuria, founder of the Melanesian Brotherhood
Hugh Latimer, Bishop of Worcester, Reformation martyr
William Laud, Archbishop of Canterbury
William Law, priest, spiritual writer,
Charles Fuge Lowder, priest
Martin Luther, reformer
Janani Luwum, Archbishop of Uganda, martyr
Frederick Denison Maurice, priest
Henry Martyn, translator of the Scriptures, missionary in India and Persia
Bernard Mizeki, apostle of the MaShona, martyr
Harriet Monsell, founder of the Community of St John the Baptist
John Mason Neale, priest, hymn writer
John Henry Newman, Cardinal, tractarian, theologian
Florence Nightingale, nurse, social reformer
John Coleridge Patteson, first Bishop of Melanesia and martyr
Edward Bouverie Pusey, priest, tractarian
Pandita Mary Ramabai, translator of the Scriptures
Nicholas Ridley, Bishop of London, Reformation martyr
Oscar Romero, Archbishop of San Salvador, martyr
Christina Rossetti, poet
Samuel Seabury, first Anglican bishop in North America
Priscilla Lydia Sellon, a restorer of the religious life in the Church of England
George Augustus Selwyn, Bishop of New Zealand
Sadhu Sundar Singh, evangelist, teacher of the Faith
Mary Slessor, missionary in West Africa
Mary Sumner, founder of the Mothers’ Union
Jeremy Taylor, Bishop of Down and Connor
William Temple, Archbishop of Canterbury
Thomas Traherne, poet, spiritual writer
William Tyndale, translator of the Scriptures, Reformation martyr
Evelyn Underhill, spiritual writer
Henry Venn, John Venn, and Henry Venn the younger, priests, evangelical divines
Isaac Watts, hymn writer
Charles Wesley, evangelist, hymn writer
John Wesley, priest, evangelist, hymn writer
William Wilberforce, social reformer
Yes. The Church subsists fully in the Catholic Church, but the Orthodox Churches are also true Churches with imperfect faith. Protestant ecclesial communities are likewise imperfect members of the Body of Christ. The Catholic Church’s authority only extends to her members.My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding?
Can. 11 Merely ecclesiastical laws bind those who were baptised in the catholic Church or received into it, and who have a sufficient use of reason and, unless the law expressly provides otherwise, who have completed their seventh year of age.
I think this should be “with also the fullness of faith but in an imperfect communion with the Pope.”Yes. The Church subsists fully in the Catholic Church, but the Orthodox Churches are also true Churches with imperfect faith. Protestant ecclesial communities are likewise imperfect members of the Body of Christ. The Catholic Church’s authority only extends to her members.