Are there any non-catholic saints?

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LINVS said:
My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding?
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We force neither conversion nor obedience to the Pope nor Catholic disciplines such as our marriage canons and the canonisation of saints onto non-Catholics, much as we invite them to all of the above.

The Body of Christ extends beyond those who formally embrace Catholicism - eg we number the Old Testament prophets and patriarchs, who formally were Jews (and some of them not even that) among its members. But we do not formally canonise all, in fact we have formally canonised any who were not formally Catholic.
 
anp1215 said:
I didn’t read the whole list, but after skimming it, these aren’t even Catholic saints. I saw Thomas Cranmer on there, for Pete’s sake.
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you didnt read earlier…the church can deem anyone they want to be a saint…
 
pacman2076 said:
you didnt read earlier…the church can deem anyone they want to be a saint…
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Actually I did read earlier, thanks. The vast majority of those on the list have never been canonized by the Church and never will be seeing as they worked in direct opposition to Her. That list is completely immaterial to the topic at hand.
 
Elizium23 said:
Yes. The Church subsists fully in the Catholic Church, but the Orthodox Churches are also true Churches with imperfect faith. Protestant ecclesial communities are likewise imperfect members of the Body of Christ. The Catholic Church’s authority only extends to her members.
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Care to elaborate on thie “imperfect” faith? I’m interested in hearing just what it is.

Thanks & God bless.🙂
 
When you have not commited or are forgiven of mortal sins you are in a state of grace.

As an aside, the word saint has evolved to mean (for Catholics), one who has gone to heaven. Sacred scripture speaks of, “not foregoing a gathering of the saints”. Referring to gatherings here on earth. Protestants believe we are saints on earth because of this.
 
pacman2076 said:
so…how do we achieve a state of grace before we die???
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I have no idea how non-catholics achieve a state of grace - that is a question that only God can answer.

As a Catholic
I do the best I can to follow the way of Christ.
I listen to the wisdom of the Church and try to follow Her wisdom.
I pray for God’s mercy and
I go to confession (certainly not near enough).

Certainly in all cases “humility” is important. That is a difficult thing for all of us.
 
And I will add.

If you are aware that you are in a state of mortal sin you definately need to go to confession to be in a state of grace. Christ is the final judge because He alone knows the heart.
 
choliks said:
i think this should be “with also the fullness of faith but in an imperfect communion with the pope.”
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wow!!! I mean like you are the one with the answers!!!awsome!!! Now can you tell me, how can i die in a state of grace???i hope you wont be complicated…im not an intellectual educated person…
 
linvs said:
my understanding is that all christians are catholic by virtue of their baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: All christians are christians and owe the pope and the roman catholic church obediance. The pope and the catholic church is the christian church on earth. Is this a false understanding?
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is this correct?? If so ,does it guarantee my entrance into heaven when i die??
 
LINVS said:
My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding?
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wow!!! I mean like you are the one with the answers!!!awsome!!! Now can you tell me, how can i die in a state of grace???i hope you wont be complicated…im not an intellectual educated person…
 
coachkfan1 said:
yes, this is true because we are all called to be saints.
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called to be saints? Does that mean that before we die,somehow we will do wathever it takes to become a saint ??or for that matter die in a state of grace? What i want to know is how we do that??
 
pacman2076 said:
wow!!! I mean like you are the one with the answers!!!awsome!!! Now can you tell me, how can i die in a state of grace???i hope you wont be complicated…im not an intellectual educated person…
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Pacman, It doesn’t take intellegence to love God. Those who have very little intellegence are very close to his heart. Christ said that we must become like a little child to enter the Kingdom of God. So perhaps that answer for you is to not bother about growing up and acting like an adult. However, I am not sure the childishness that you are displaying is exactly what he had in mind.
 
pacman2076 said:
wow!!! I mean like you are the one with the answers!!!awsome!!! Now can you tell me, how can i die in a state of grace???i hope you wont be complicated…im not an intellectual educated person…
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u may also need bo define what exactly a "christian "is?? Thank you…
 
helenrose said:
pacman, it doesn’t take intellegence to love god. Those who have very little intellegence are very close to his heart. Christ said that we must become like a little child to enter the kingdom of god. So perhaps that answer for you is to not bother about growing up and acting like an adult. However, i am not sure the childishness that you are displaying is exactly what he had in mind.
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so ,then your answer is to become like a child that God will accept…how do i do that??
 
pacman2076 said:
so ,then your answer is to become like a child that God will accept…how do i do that??
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and in what way am i acting like a child??because i come here looking for answers? my children ask me the same questions…i can not answer…i thought this would be a good place to find them…i hope my questions arent impossible to answer.
 
anp1215 said:
I didn’t read the whole list, but after skimming it, these aren’t even Catholic saints. I saw Thomas Cranmer on there, for Pete’s sake.
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That list is the Episcopal church calander. Anglicans have no way to cannonise new saints and so just add them to the calander.

Cramner was archbishop of Canterburry during the engish reformation.

I believe Martin Luther King is also included.
 
HelenRose said:
Pacman, It doesn’t take intellegence to love God. Those who have very little intellegence are very close to his heart. Christ said that we must become like a little child to enter the Kingdom of God. So perhaps that answer for you is to not bother about growing up and acting like an adult. However, I am not sure the childishness that you are displaying is exactly what he had in mind.
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u sound a lot like a nun my mom told me about…that woman used to beat her regularly…u see she was in a catholic orphanage…im sure u arent like that…
 
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