Are there any non-catholic saints?

[pacman2076]

My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding?

Originally Posted by LilyM
The church only has authority over the lives of Catholics

My understanding is that ALL Christians are Catholic by virtue of their Baptism. Or perhaps a better way to put it: all Christians are Christians and owe the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church obediance. The Pope and the Catholic Church IS the Christian Church on Earth. Is this a false understanding? when you say by virtue of their baptism…what do you mean?? isnt there more than one kind of baptism??

 

[pacman2076]

That list is the Episcopal church calander. Anglicans have no way to cannonise new saints and so just add them to the calander.
Cramner was archbishop of Canterburry during the engish reformation.

I believe Martin Luther King is also included.

what does it mean to cannonise new saints??

 

[bilop]

called to be saints? Does that mean that before we die,somehow we will do wathever it takes to become a saint ??or for that matter die in a state of grace? What i want to know is how we do that??

No. It mean God wants each of us to be saved, and gives us sufficient grace to do so. Whether we accept His offer is entirely up to us.

To die in a state of grace, you need to be baptized, and to confess all mortal sins to a priest, and receive absolution, before you die. Or, you can die a martyr for the faith.

God Bless

 

[amsjj]

That list is the Episcopal church calander. Anglicans have no way to cannonise new saints and so just add them to the calander.

Cramner was archbishop of Canterburry during the engish reformation.

I believe Martin Luther King is also included.

Thank you, I was wracking my brain trying to figure out why two Catholics were on that list, Archbishop Oscar Romero and Blessed John Henry Newman.

But this made it clear; they just do whatever they want though it makes no sense.

amsjj

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Jesus, God and man,
imprisoned by love in Thy most holy Sacrament,
have mercy upon us.

• Blessed John Henry Newman, December 22, 1851

Tú y yo sabemos por la fe que oculto en las especies sacramentales está Cristo,
ese Cristo con su Cuerpo, con su Sangre, con su Alma, y con su Divinidad,
prisonero de amor.

• San Josemaría Escrivá, 1 junio 1974

… Our Lord Himself frequently said; and it is recorded as an Apostolic tradition from Him by St. Justin the Martyr. He says ‘Jesus often said, “They who are near Me are near a fire”’.

• Abp. W. B. Ullathorne, August 1st 1886

 

[pacman2076]

Give a full confession of all mortal sins before you die. If you are in the state of grace when you die, salvation is assured.

God Bless

therefore confession of mortal sin must be an ongoing continuous act? our thoughts are sinful daily,arent they? i say ongoing, because we really can not know when we are going to die ?

 

[pacman2076]

I know the catholic church recognizes that there are some occasions where non-catholics go to heaven but have any actually been canonized?

cannonized is not important… if u have been baptised in the names of th father, son and holy ghost(spirit). have confesed your sins. all the ones u remember and dont. all the sins u are doing and will do.u are a catholic…you are a saint.you are an apostle.you are almost saved.u arent saved until u die. all this is in the scripture…unfortunately there is more to the catholic scripture than the 66 books, the ones that are in the back past revelation. and the ones the catholic church/pope deem to be truth. the pope is the final say in what is truth…if u take the word of a human man and do not read scripture by the power of the Holy Spirit you are doomed to an unknownig future.read the bible!i pray in Jesus name that you will understant the scripture when u read it.and that u will be sanctified by it and by the Holy Spirit…in Jesus name amen i will not possibly be returning here…read the stuff in the articles here not the blogs

 

[pacman2076]

No. It mean God wants each of us to be saved, and gives us sufficient grace to do so. Whether we accept His offer is entirely up to us.

To die in a state of grace, you need to be baptized, and to confess all mortal sins to a priest, and receive absolution, before you die. Or, you can die a martyr for the faith.

God Bless

but isnt Jesus our priest? Cant i confess to Him only to recieve absolution of my sins?

 

[HelenRose]

u sound a lot like a nun my mom told me about…that woman used to beat her regularly…u see she was in a catholic orphanage…im sure u arent like that…

Actually I am a very gentle grandma who raised 5 children of our own and helped raise a number of others. I never spanked a child in my life but I do have a pretty good sense when a child is misbehaving.

 

[Elizium23]

therefore confession of mortal sin must be an ongoing continuous act? our thoughts are sinful daily,arent they? i say ongoing, because we really can not know when we are going to die ?

It is necessary to confess immediately after committing a mortal sin. But it is also possible to remain in a state of grace without committing mortal sins for a long time. In these cases it is recommended to avail oneself of the sacrament of Confession on a regular basis for venial sins. It is also very important to receive the Eucharist frequently and worthily as it confers the graces necessary to preserve us from future sin.

 

[Zekariya]

St Isaac the Syrian was never in communion with the Catholic Church or the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches. He belonged to the Assyrian Church of the East: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_of_Nineveh

 

[KP3243]

but isnt Jesus our priest? Cant i confess to Him only to recieve absolution of my sins?

Jesus gave the apostles the ability to bind and lose things on earth. This was something angels and archangels were not even given. It is why Catholics believe men are called to the priesthood by God -it isn’t for everyone. The priesthood is where Jesus can administer the help we need through man via the sacraments he instituted. The sacraments are how salvation is possible and it is not a coincidence that there are 7 either. When Jesus said I will be with you until the end of time he meant it.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

therefore confession of mortal sin must be an ongoing continuous act? our thoughts are sinful daily,arent they? i say ongoing, because we really can not know when we are going to die ?

Yes, confession should be ongoing. The Church encourages us to make regular use of the sacraments. For me that means going to sacramental confession once a month, going the Mass each Sunday and Holy Day and as often during the week as possible. I am usually able to receive communion each time I am at Mass, but will refrain if I am not properly disposed (haven’t fasted, aware of a sin I should confess, or in a really cranky mood).

I encourage you to do the same - go to Mass each Sunday, go to confession regularly, receive communion as often as possible. Make an appointment to see your priest if you haven’t been to confession regularly in the past. He can then take the time to guide you through the process.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

As for non-Catholics being in heaven - yes there are very likely many who were not Catholic on earth in heaven. To be in heaven means you are a saint.

The difference is with those who are cannonized Saints. The Catholic Church declares certain people are infalliably in heaven through the Holy Spirit working in the Church. Those people were all Catholic on earth. The Church doesn’t investigate the lives and manner of death (martyr) for non-Catholics. We don’t have the jurisdiction or time (people) to do that. There are hundreds of cases pending for cannonization. It takes time and effort to go through the process, the Church cannot do it for those that weren’t living as Catholics on earth.

 

[pocohombre]

Give a full confession of all mortal sins before you die. If you are in the state of grace when you die, salvation is assured.

God Bless

I think council of Trent says if one believes in assurance (as protestants do or teach) let him be anathema.

 

[pocohombre]

As for non-Catholics being in heaven - yes there are very likely many who were not Catholic on earth in heaven. To be in heaven means you are a saint.

The difference is with those who are cannonized Saints. The Catholic Church declares certain people are infalliably in heaven through the Holy Spirit working in the Church. Those people were all Catholic on earth. The Church doesn’t investigate the lives and manner of death (martyr) for non-Catholics. We don’t have the jurisdiction or time (people) to do that. There are hundreds of cases pending for cannonization. It takes time and effort to go through the process, the Church cannot do it for those that weren’t living as Catholics on earth.

How can protestants be in heaven if they don’t believe in CC real presence,and Jesus said you have not eternal life unless you eat His flesh. If you take real presence,eating His flesh literally, aren’t you also bound to believe and take literally the consequences of believing or not believing it ?

 

[LilyM]

I think council of Trent says if one believes in assurance (as protestants do or teach) let him be anathema.

But one essential condition for mortal (ie damnable) sin is full knowledge. If one believes contrary to what the Church (or Christianity in general) teaches because, for example, one is a member of some isolated native tribe somewhere and has never encountered a Christian person, then one most likely does not have full knowledge. therefore one is probably not sinning mortally if one holds a wrong belief out of ignorance through no fault of one’s own.

Some Protestants at least are taught precious little about Catholicism - or may be taught inaccurately - or for other reasons possibly for no fault of their own believe wrongly in ignorance. Such would be in the position of the remote tribespeople.

 

[Zekariya]

"Also, the souls of those who have incurred no stain of sin whatsoever after baptism, as well as souls who after incurring the stain of sin have been cleansed whether in their bodies or outside their bodies, as was stated above, are straightaway received into heaven and clearly behold the triune God as he is, yet one person more perfectly than another according to the difference of their merits. But the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains." - The Holy Ecumenical Council of Florence, Session 6 (July 6, 1439)

Most protestants are baptized (have no original sin) but have no knowledge of mortal sin. They don’t distinguish between mortal sin or venial sin. I am certain that there are protestants that have true contrition for past sins.

 

[pocohombre]

But one essential condition for mortal (ie damnable) sin is full knowledge. If one believes contrary to what the Church (or Christianity in general) teaches because, for example, one is a member of some isolated native tribe somewhere and has never encountered a Christian person, then one most likely does not have full knowledge. therefore one is probably not sinning mortally if one holds a wrong belief out of ignorance through no fault of one’s own.

Some Protestants at least are taught precious little about Catholicism - or may be taught inaccurately - or for other reasons possibly for no fault of their own believe wrongly in ignorance. Such would be in the position of the remote tribespeople.

Is the scripture about "my people perish for lack of knowledge’ only temporal perishing ?

 

[pocohombre]

‎"Also, the souls of those who have incurred no stain of sin whatsoever after baptism, as well as souls who after incurring the stain of sin have been cleansed whether in their bodies or outside their bodies, as was stated above, are straightaway received into heaven and clearly behold the triune God as he is, yet one person more perfectly than another according to the difference of their merits. But the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains." - The Holy Ecumenical Council of Florence, Session 6 (July 6, 1439)

Most protestants are baptized (have no original sin) but have no knowledge of mortal sin. They don’t distinguish between mortal sin or venial sin. I am certain that there are protestants that have true contrition for past sins.

So protestants not having full knowledge of mortal sin then go to heaven ? Do you think protestants have some differentiation of sins, though not naming them mortal /venial ?

 

[pocohombre]

The Council of Trent states: “If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.”