Are there any ORIGINAL 'Holy Bibles' anywhere?

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I was talking to a muslim the other day and they were defeding there faith as i was trying to do also,and he said that the quran is in its original arabic text!..now i am wondering if there are any Holy bibles in there original texts also,becuase you can only get translated ones really these days?:hmmm:
 
Yes, of course; for example, you can take a look at the New Testament in the original Greek here:
www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~fisher/gnt/chapters.html

Likewise, the Old Testament in the original Hebrew (and in the original Greek for a few books), is readily available. Very early Bibles in Latin are available as well.
 
So what you gave me,are they the exact orginal texts of the holy bible?
 
Is THE original copy of the Koran penned by Muhammed himself in existence? Where is it?
 
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godsent:
I was talking to a muslim the other day and they were defeding there faith as i was trying to do also,and he said that the quran is in its original arabic text!..now i am wondering if there are any Holy bibles in there original texts also,becuase you can only get translated ones really these days?:hmmm:
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Please be more precise. What do you mean by “original texts”? This would be helpful in answering your questions. 🙂
 
godsent,
There are no surviving “originals”, so to speak. The OT started being penned some 4000 years ago - there are no surviving scrolls from that era. What we have are copies of originals (some surviving texts precede Islam by a couple of centuries) - the Muslims like to claim that since it’s not “original”, something was obviously mistranslated. They use this “factoid” to claim that where ever the Qur’an contradicts the OT, the OT has been mistranslated or otherwise “botched”. This makes for very slippery arguments, as they default to “mine’s right, yours is wrong” and won’t listen to counterargument.

The thing they don’t talk about much is that they don’t use the “original” either. The “original” was destroyed by fire, but later re-transcribed based on the “memorized” original. Since then, their Qur’an has been “updated” with dotting and diacritization. Dots were put as syntactical marks by Abu Al-Aswad Al Doaly, during the time of Mu’awiya Ibn Abi Sufian (661-680 AD). The letters were marked with different dotting by Nasr Ibn Asem and Hayy ibn Ya’amor, during the time of Abd Al-Malek Ibn Marawan (685-705 AD). A complete system of diacritical marks (damma, fataha, kasra) was invented by Al Khaleel Ibn Ahmad Al Faraheedy (d. 786 AD). All of these “updates” could very well have changed the meaning of several words - they rely on the ignorance of their critics to make the arguments they do.

Good luck! There are several more learned folks in the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum who could give you far more info than I - there are currently several threads about Islam, and you may try starting there.

God bless,
RyanL
 
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Genesis315:
Is THE original copy of the Koran penned by Muhammed himself in existence? Where is it?
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Present Qura`n RECITED AND CORRUPTED.

Othman did a great service to Islam by sending out standard copies of the Qur’an to provincial capitals. The need arose from a dispute about the way of reciting the Holy Qur’an. People of Iraq recited it one way and the people of Syria in another way. The matter came up before the Caliph in 30 A.H. “We copy the way of Abu Musa Ashari,” said the Iraqis.

“And we follow the way of Miqdad bin al-Aswad,” declared the Syrians.

Othman put the matter before the Companions. All agreed that the copy prepared in Abu Bakr’s time was the standard one. After Abu Bakr, it had passed into the hands of Omar, and now it was with his daughter, Hafsa. Othman got this copy. Zahid bin Thabit, the trusted scribe of the revelation, was asked to prepare seven copies from it. He was to be helped by three more men, who had the Qur’an by heart.

Zaid himself had the whole Qur’an by heart. He was also one of the scribes of the revelation. First, he wrote out the whole book from memory. Then he read it out to a gathering of Muhajirun and Ansar three times. Then he compared this copy with the one that was with Hafsa. The two copies were exactly alike. Seven more copies were then written out and sent to different parts of the country.

anwary-islam.com/companion/t…-bin-Affaan.htm
In Christ,
selvaraj
 
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savone:
Please be more precise. What do you mean by “original texts”? This would be helpful in answering your questions. 🙂
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I mean like a bible that has not been translated!
 
You can get hebrew versions of the old testament and greek versions of the new testament.

I have a hebrew/greek one in my closet!
 
godsent

As previous posters have stated, the texts that comprise the Bible are in two basic languages: Old Testament in Hebrew and New Testament in Koine Greek. (There are some other languages involved, but let’s keep it simple).

If you wanted to read them in the original languages, then “Biblia Hebracia Stuttgartensia” might be one for the OT and “The Greek New Testament” (ed. by Kurt Aland et al) might be another.

On the other hand, I am wondering if you are asking not about the language, but the text itself. That is, is there a bible that consists of the original manuscripts? The answer is simply there is not. If this is what you are asking, then so specify and we can explore this further.

savone
 
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godsent:
I was talking to a muslim the other day and they were defeding there faith as i was trying to do also,and he said that the quran is in its original arabic text!..now i am wondering if there are any Holy bibles in there original texts also,becuase you can only get translated ones really these days?:hmmm:
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Short answer - No.​

Not if what you mean is, is there a body of texts which consists of what was actually written by the authors. There is no text as originally given, of any of them, or of all together 🙂

There are translations, versions, quotations, in whole or in part - but not what you’re asking for: no autographs of the books, nor of the whole thing.

The text of the Koran is not without a number of variant readings - one of the early Caliphs destroyed some variant copies in order to make sure that the text would be uniform - so don’t be overawed by these claims.

Even if they were true, they are meaningless as a guide to the theological status of the Koran: a million faultlessly printed and identical copies of Mein Kampf don’t change the value of Mein Kampf; and a million variants of the NT texts (which is far more than there are) do not change its value to Christians. Trash is trash, however faultlessly copied it may be.

Most of the NT variants have little effect on the sense of the text in any case: and can fairly readily be detected - that’s why Christian Biblical scholarship employs textual criticism. As there is a Muslim belief in the pre-existence of the Koran, and in the unique authority of the Arabic form of it, it has tended to be translated far less than the Bible, which is not hindered by such ideas. ##
 
I wish I had more detailed knowledge of this, but just off hand… I was actually talking to a man at church about this the other week, and he mentioned something about the original Bible was written in something like seperate leaflets or books, and some were seperated. He said there is an effort going on now to retrieve all of these, and have them accessible on the internet for all to be able to translate, and read. I have no idea of the time frame, or anything, and only heard this second hand.

As far as being able to get ahold of now, I’ve heard that the Duaey Rheims Bible might be the closest in accuracy of translation.
 
You need to get WHERE WE GOT THE BIBLE - OUR DEBT TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH by Rev Henry Graham. This book lays out the history of the Bible and the reason why none of the “original” texts exist. I have several copies at my store if interested.
 
There are no original bibles for at least two reasons. 1. The Bible was not originally written as a complete book. It was composed of letters and Gospels that were copied and circulated to the different churches. 2. Though, many refer to the “original” Greek and Hebrew, the original documents (autographs) are not extant. We have copies and the various copies (texts) of them.

This may cause problems for Muslems, but it is still more credible than having a holy book that is entirely dependent on the word of one man who claims he received it from an angel.
 
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urquhart:
Yes, of course; for example, you can take a look at the New Testament in the original Greek here:
www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~fisher/gnt/chapters.html

Likewise, the Old Testament in the original Hebrew (and in the original Greek for a few books), is readily available. Very early Bibles in Latin are available as well.
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There are Bibles with as many as 81 books and Bibles with as few as 5 NT books. Unlike the Qur’an, our Catholic/Christian "F"aith is not in a book, it is in us. We do not need a book. If we never heard or read a single verse of Scripture we could still have Hope for salvation and Faith. Our Faith is taught to us by His Church, His body.

Protestants use a version of the OT that non-Christians deleted down to in 90 A.D. and then schismatics did again in the 1500’s. The Bible Christians use started out in OT form as the LXX (Septuigent) and slowly had NT books added to it as they were declared inspired by Christs body, His Catholic Church. Without the authority of the Catholic Church the Bible cannot be declared inspired, written, cannonized, authorized etc.

Jesus founded a Church - not a book. Where in Scripture does Jesus say to write it? Declare it inspired? Tell us to read it (NT sources refer to OT only)? Told us which books are in it? Which version to use? It is the Catholic Church that proves the Bible inspired and from God. Without the Church the Bible is without authority.

Faith is a gift from God. You choose to have it or not. The Bible is not our Faith, it is just a tool of the Church Christ founded, His body, His Catholic Church.

Muslim belief is based on a book they view very close to a graven image. Christian/Catholic Faith is based on Christ and passed down to us by His Catholic Church - not a book.

Show your Muslim friend your Faith by your works. The book is good but the Faith is in you and is displayed by your works - not a book.
 
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Genesis315:
Is THE original copy of the Koran penned by Muhammed himself in existence? Where is it?
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No, because Mohammed never wrote anything down.
nianka
 
In the VISION AT KNOCK, ST. JOHN THE EVANGELIST WAS HOLDING A BOOK BELIEVED TO BE THE BIBLE, OPENNED TO A CERTAIN PAGE.

YES!!! THE BIBLE IN THE VISION AT KNOCK!!!
 
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godsent:
I was talking to a muslim the other day and they were defeding there faith as i was trying to do also,and he said that the quran is in its original arabic text!..now i am wondering if there are any Holy bibles in there original texts also,becuase you can only get translated ones really these days?:hmmm:
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First, those are copies of the Quran, not originals. If I get a bible in Greek, that doesn’t mean it is original, only that it is printed in the original language.

The Dead Sea Scrolls at Quamran contain scriptures from around the time of Christ. I believe there may be some older remnants of the Hebrew Scriptures.
 
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