Are there any OTHER churces that claim to be the "One True Church Established by Jesus Christ?"

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I’m giving up my age, but when I first visited a Lutheran church the word catholic was not in their creed at all.

They said “one, holy Christian church”.

When did it change?
You were probably in a recently German Lutheran church - most German Lutherans in America stopped speaking German during WWII. (And it’s why many LCMS churches fly the American flag, so nobody mistakes us for dirty rotten Germans).

The German form of the creed says:

"und die eine, heilige, christliche und apostolische Kirche. "

As German didn’t have a good alternative fr the Geek word ‘καθολικός’ - hence the English versions of that German version of the creed use ‘christian’ instead of ‘catholic’

Thankfully, slowly but surely, this is being remedied.
 
You were probably in a recently German Lutheran church - most German Lutherans in America stopped speaking German during WWII. (And it’s why many LCMS churches fly the American flag, so nobody mistakes us for dirty rotten Germans).

The German form of the creed says:

"und die eine, heilige, christliche und apostolische Kirche. "

**As German didn’t have a good alternative fr the Geek word ‘καθολικός’ - hence the English versions of that German version of the creed use ‘christian’ instead of ‘catholic’ **

Thankfully, slowly but surely, this is being remedied.
German doesn’t have a good alternative for the word “universal”?

hhmmmm

Peace
James
 
You were probably in a recently German Lutheran church - most German Lutherans in America stopped speaking German during WWII. (And it’s why many LCMS churches fly the American flag, so nobody mistakes us for dirty rotten Germans).

The German form of the creed says:

"und die eine, heilige, christliche und apostolische Kirche. "

As German didn’t have a good alternative fr the Geek word ‘καθολικός’ - hence the English versions of that German version of the creed use ‘christian’ instead of ‘catholic’

Thankfully, slowly but surely, this is being remedied.
Perhaps more to the point … was the use of “christliche” a decision by Luther and co, or was it already in the German text of the creed before him?
 
Perhaps more to the point … was the use of “christliche” a decision by Luther and co, or was it already in the German text of the creed before him?
WAS there a German text of the creed before Luther?..🤷

Peace
James
 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has claim to be the the only church that is recognized by the Savior as his church. It had its beginnings in 1820 when both our Father in Heaven and Christ appeared to a 14 year old boy named Joseph Smith. He saw them as separate glorified beings with bodies of flesh and bones and was able to ask them which church he should join. The savior told him to join none of them and that he would be an instrument in the Lord’s hands in restoring the true church.

Later, Joseph received a visit from a resurected being named Moroni in 1824. Moroni taught Joseph many things regarding the coming restoration of the gospel and introduced Joseph to a record buried in a nearby hill named Cumorah. Moroni visited Joseph on three separate occasions, each time teaching him the principles of the restored gospel. In 1827, Joseph took possession of the gold plates and began the process of translating them. They contained a record of three separate groups that came to America, the first group was called the Jaredites and them came in 2200 BC. The second group came from Jerusalem about 590 BC. They split into two groups soon after their arrival and were called the Nephites and the Lamanites. The third group came soon after the second group and they were called the Mulekites. They joined with the Nephites. The record contained information about a visit that Christ made to these people in America and his teachings to them about many gospel principles.

In translating the plates, Joseph and a companion saw that baptism was an important part of the gospel plan. They prayed about this and the Lord sent another messenger to visit them. His name was John, the same man that was called John, the Baptist in the new testament. He ordained them to the Aaronic Priesthood and commanded that they should baptize each other, which they did. John told them he was sent to them under the direction of Peter, James and John, apostles in the new testament. Soon after this event, Peter, James, and John also appeared to them and conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon them, the same priesthood they received from Christ during his ministry in Jerusalem.

Now fully authorized to do so, Joseph organized the church on April 6th, 1830. In due time, a quorum of 12 apostles was organized through inspiration from Christ. Later, other officers were organized such as deacons, teachers, priests, elders, seventies, High Priests and patriarchs. The church today has a first presidency comprised of a president, Thomas Monson, and two counselors. They preside over a quorum of twelve apostles and several quorums of seventies. Many principles of the gospel were introduced over the years and the church functions in a way that is similar to the church that Christ established. Our prophet receives revelation from Christ on a regular basis and he is the head of our Church.

Faithful members of the church have a firm testimony that the Church is Christ’s church and its principles are true. There are many who attempt to tell the world what the church believes. They are inspired by Satan and much of what they say is not true. I personally have received from the Holy Ghost a witness that the gospel is true. I know that the teachings of Joseph Smith and other prophets is truly the word of God. If someone wants to know that this is the true church, they should get a copy of the Book of Mormon and read it and pray about it. If they study and pray with a sincere heart with faith in Christ, the Holy Ghost will confirm to them the book is true. The missionaries are available all over the globe and they could be contacted for more information about the church. May God bless you in your search for truth.

Sincerely,

Dallas E. Murdoch
 
I believe there was, although I admit I’m a little rusty on some details, including that one.
Then I come back to my earlier question - directed to benjohnson’s post about Luther using the German word for Christian (christliche) instead of the German word for the Greek “katholic” = universal…
Is there a word in German for “Universal”?

Peace
James
 
The Seventh-day Adventist Church also claims to be the true church, restored after various apostate beliefs and practices supposedly infiltrated the church anciently. They view themselves as the “remnant” church, and celebrate the “true sabbath”.
 
Then I come back to my earlier question - directed to benjohnson’s post about Luther using the German word for Christian (christliche) instead of the German word for the Greek “katholic” = universal…
Is there a word in German for “Universal”?

Peace
James
Digging deeper into the rabbit hole…

Modern German does have “katholische”… but the Roman Catholic church did the German equivalent of trademark at some point according to Wikipedia.

Da die Bezeichnung katholisch ohne Zusatz in Deutschland namensrechtlich geschützt ist, kann davon ausgegangen werden, dass damit stets eine Einrichtung der römisch-katholischen Kirche gemeint ist.
 
Modern German does have “katholische”… but the Roman Catholic church did the German equivalent of trademark at some point according to Wikipedia.

Da die Bezeichnung katholisch ohne Zusatz in Deutschland namensrechtlich geschützt ist, kann davon ausgegangen werden, dass damit stets eine Einrichtung der römisch-katholischen Kirche gemeint ist.
I don’t know that “katholische” is a word unknown to Medieval German…

But I do know that the German translators would have used a word that would not confuse the uneducated, illiterate common folk in Medieval Germany (translation is, after all, the conversion of ideas and meanings from one language to another, not simply words). That originally-translated wording survived in America because Lutherans don’t much care for change :D. The meaning and intent of the Creed has not changed.
 
Digging deeper into the rabbit hole…

Modern German does have “katholische”… but the Roman Catholic church did the German equivalent of trademark at some point according to Wikipedia.

Da die Bezeichnung katholisch ohne Zusatz in Deutschland namensrechtlich geschützt ist, kann davon ausgegangen werden, dass damit stets eine Einrichtung der römisch-katholischen Kirche gemeint ist.
I’ll have to run this last part through a translator later…but for now - you really didn’t answer the question.
Did German have a word for “universal” which is what the Greek “catholic” means?

And if there IS (and was in the medieval) a German word for universal then Luther could have completed the translation from Greek/Latin to German by saying the “one holy universal and apostolic church”…
I mean if he was out to translate the text to German - why fudge on “universal”

🤷

just sayin…

Peace
James
 
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has claim to be the the only church that is recognized by the Savior as his church. It had its beginnings in 1820 when both our Father in Heaven and Christ appeared to a 14 year old boy named Joseph Smith. He saw them as separate glorified beings with bodies of flesh and bones and was able to ask them which church he should join. The savior told him to join none of them and that he would be an instrument in the Lord’s hands in restoring the true church.

Later, Joseph received a visit from a resurected being named Moroni in 1824. Moroni taught Joseph many things regarding the coming restoration of the gospel and introduced Joseph to a record buried in a nearby hill named Cumorah. Moroni visited Joseph on three separate occasions, each time teaching him the principles of the restored gospel. In 1827, Joseph took possession of the gold plates and began the process of translating them. They contained a record of three separate groups that came to America, the first group was called the Jaredites and them came in 2200 BC. The second group came from Jerusalem about 590 BC. They split into two groups soon after their arrival and were called the Nephites and the Lamanites. The third group came soon after the second group and they were called the Mulekites. They joined with the Nephites. The record contained information about a visit that Christ made to these people in America and his teachings to them about many gospel principles.

In translating the plates, Joseph and a companion saw that baptism was an important part of the gospel plan. They prayed about this and the Lord sent another messenger to visit them. His name was John, the same man that was called John, the Baptist in the new testament. He ordained them to the Aaronic Priesthood and commanded that they should baptize each other, which they did. John told them he was sent to them under the direction of Peter, James and John, apostles in the new testament. Soon after this event, Peter, James, and John also appeared to them and conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon them, the same priesthood they received from Christ during his ministry in Jerusalem.

Now fully authorized to do so, Joseph organized the church on April 6th, 1830. In due time, a quorum of 12 apostles was organized through inspiration from Christ. Later, other officers were organized such as deacons, teachers, priests, elders, seventies, High Priests and patriarchs. The church today has a first presidency comprised of a president, Thomas Monson, and two counselors. They preside over a quorum of twelve apostles and several quorums of seventies. Many principles of the gospel were introduced over the years and the church functions in a way that is similar to the church that Christ established. Our prophet receives revelation from Christ on a regular basis and he is the head of our Church.

Faithful members of the church have a firm testimony that the Church is Christ’s church and its principles are true. There are many who attempt to tell the world what the church believes. They are inspired by Satan and much of what they say is not true. I personally have received from the Holy Ghost a witness that the gospel is true. I know that the teachings of Joseph Smith and other prophets is truly the word of God. If someone wants to know that this is the true church, they should get a copy of the Book of Mormon and read it and pray about it. If they study and pray with a sincere heart with faith in Christ, the Holy Ghost will confirm to them the book is true. The missionaries are available all over the globe and they could be contacted for more information about the church. May God bless you in your search for truth.

Sincerely,

Dallas E. Murdoch
You are new here and so I would like to say welcome to CAF. You should also know that the forum rules prohibit proselytizing. Hope you will stick around for awhile and I wouldn’t want you to get banned for something of which you may not have been aware. 🙂
 
And if there IS (and was in the medieval) a German word for universal then Luther could have completed the translation from Greek/Latin to German by saying the “one holy universal and apostolic church”…
I just tracked down someone who’s a hitorian of German, and here’s what he told me:

Basically, medieval German was had a horribly small vocabulary and from what he can see, the word that would mean universal roughly means “every place” and has sort of a ‘commoner’ notion to it. It wouldn’t have functioned as well for something holy - instead he could see why the word ‘christian’ was used given the meaning as understood by Germans.
 
The irony is that old Lutheran hymnals in America always used the word “catholic” in the recitation of the Athanasian Creed on the Feast of Holy Trinity but allowed “Christian” or “Catholic” in the Apostles and Nicene creeds. Now “the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” is used in all 3 creeds.
 
I just tracked down someone who’s a hitorian of German, and here’s what he told me:

Basically, medieval German was had a horribly small vocabulary and from what he can see, the word that would mean universal roughly means “every place” and has sort of a ‘commoner’ notion to it. It wouldn’t have functioned as well for something holy - instead he could see why the word ‘christian’ was used given the meaning as understood by Germans.
WOW Ben - thanks for the effort. What you say makes sense…all things considered.

Peace
James
 
The irony is that old Lutheran hymnals in America always used the word “catholic” in the recitation of the Athanasian Creed on the Feast of Holy Trinity but allowed “Christian” or “Catholic” in the Apostles and Nicene creeds. Now “the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” is used in all 3 creeds.
That’s certainly true in the ELCA.

Unfortunately, the LCMS need to g stop being afraid of the word ‘Catholic’ - we have a good excuse, but it’s wearing thin over the last 50 years.
 
And if there IS (and was in the medieval) a German word for universal then Luther could have completed the translation from Greek/Latin to German by saying the “one holy universal and apostolic church”…
Was it Luther who translated the creed into German? I feel like I missed a bit of the conversation.
 
My question is: Are there any protestant denominations who seriously claim (in some official capacity) that they are the “One True Church Established by Jesus Christ?” (obviously this would exclude ALL non-Christian churches, so let’s not get into Islam, etc.)

(I don’t mean old Uncle Bob, who was a Baptist, and pointed out that John the Baptist was also a Baptist… I mean a serious claim which they attempt to rationally defend in some official capacity - a published theologian, an official website, or whatever.)
I can think of ‘Iglesia ni Cristo’ which originally comes from the Philippines.
The Iglesia ni Cristo was founded in 1914 by Felix Y. Manalo, who members believe was a biblically prophesied “messenger of God” sent to teach true Christianity to the world in its “last days” before divine judgment.
articles.latimes.com/1992-05-31/local/me-1714_1_iglesia

Official site: iglesianicristo.ws/
 
Sigh. I *TRY *to post a question and carefully qualify it. As God is my witness, I try. I get hammered with Greek Orthodox, and traditional Anglicans, and quasi-Christian movements. Then, when I point out that NOBODY has actually answered my question (and NOBODY still has), I am accused of being somehow uncharitable. Or, at least, unclear.

So let me back up and be VERY clear. Here are some very specific and verifiable claims made by sources which are recognized by the Catholic Church, which make the claim that the Catholic Church is the One True Church established by Jesus Christ:
Questions and Answers about the Marks and Attributes of the Church
  1. Which is the one true Church established by Christ?
The one true Church established by Christ is the Catholic Church.
(a) Many churches which claim to be Christian have broken away from the one true Church established by Jesus Christ. These churches were founded by men who had no authority from God to found a church.
(b) Christ intended that there should be only one true Christian Church, for He always spoke of His Church as one.Baltimore Catechism, #152]
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.) Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, from Catholic.com, our hosts on this Forum, Nihil Obstat by Bernadeane Curr, STL, Censor Liborum, *Imprimatur *by Bishop Robert H. Brom))
I’m not EVEN going that far!!! I have not excluded the Orthodox, or other Communions who legitimately claim the title Catholic.

I have CITED two actual accredited and easily verifiable Catholic theological sources that claim that the Catholic Church is the One True Church established by Jesus Christ. I have cited what is perhaps the most widely circulated publication EVER by Catholic Answers (originally published for mass distribution during World Youth Day - I contributed to the cost of its publication), and I have cited the Baltimore Catechism, which was the ONLY Catholic Catechism approved for use in the United States until it was superseded by the Catechism of the Catholic Church in 1994.

I have CITED two actual accredited Catholic theological sources which rise to the standard that I asked for in my Original Post.

So I will re-present my question: Can anyone actually cite any authoritative source from ANY (presently existing) Christian denomination that calls itself protestant (omitting quasi-Christian faiths such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses) that even CLAIMS that their version of Christianity is the One True Faith established by Jesus Christ?

This is actually EXACTLY what I originally asked. If I have actually overlooked any relevant reply, I ask that my oversight be pointed out by post number, so that I may apologize and acknowledge my error, and give proper credit to the response.

IN OTHER WORDS - can ANYBODY cite ANY authoritative statement from ANY currently-existing protestant denomination (excluding the “me too” Catholic denominations that I have previously enumerated, and obviously excluding the quasi-Christian denominations) that claims that THAT PARTICULAR denomination is the “One True Church” to the exclusion of all others?
 
So I will re-present my question: Can anyone actually cite any authoritative source from ANY (presently existing) Christian denomination that calls itself protestant (omitting quasi-Christian faiths such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses) that even CLAIMS that their version of Christianity is the One True Faith established by Jesus Christ?

This is actually EXACTLY what I originally asked. If I have actually overlooked any relevant reply, I ask that my oversight be pointed out by post number, so that I may apologize and acknowledge my error, and give proper credit to the response.

IN OTHER WORDS - can ANYBODY cite ANY authoritative statement from ANY currently-existing protestant denomination (excluding the “me too” Catholic denominations that I have previously enumerated, and obviously excluding the quasi-Christian denominations) that claims that THAT PARTICULAR denomination is the “One True Church” to the exclusion of all others?
Thank you for clarifying. I’m sorry this issue is causing you frustration.

I think it was unclear in your post that you were looking for citations. I think JRKH did a pretty good job of explaining the sentiment behind many protestant claims to authenticity, which although he did not provide a textual citation, I’m sure many protestant pastors would defend the position he elaborated.

Also, I think the discussion about the Orthodox faith actually does address your original question quite well, because although you were looking for “protestant” denominations, you began the post with a question about how an extraterrestrial would evaluate Christianity, and it seems like a discussion of Orthodoxy, as well as the Mormons, for that matter, might be very relevant to that topic, even if that wasn’t the kind of answer you wanted to receive.

I also want to point out my own post, on page 3, in which I actually did provide a real citation, from a real book, written by an authority in the Gnostic church, which is still supported by said church, because their preeminent website in English hosts and maintains that quote, and uses it as an introduction to their course on the Sacraments. That is a church that really is active and in existence in the present day. Are they Christian? They have the seven sacraments. They trace their authority to Jesus. Are they protestant? According to Wikipedia, “the term protestant has been used in many different senses, often as a general term merely to signify Christians who belong to none of the churches of Catholic tradition (Roman, Orthodox, Monophysite or Nestorian Churches).” (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Etymology) That definitely describes them, so they seem to fit the bill.

Now, maybe that wasn’t the church you were looking for, but it seems to fulfill all the criteria you specified.
 
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