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gentlemanvalentine
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It’s in a grove of pine trees over looking a lake. There is a stone alter on a stone raised stone slab.
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TomH1
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To SMHW and tafan2: I know CAF prefers one response rather than many to several posts, which is what I am doing here, but I have not yet discovered how to do this by incorporating your previous posts.
The Code of Canon Law states that a church is a sacred place which is used for the celebration of divine worship and to which the public have access (cf. Can. 1214). It does not confine the use of the word ‘church’ to a parish church. Indeed, if church meant only a place of worship for a parish the use of the adjective ‘parish’ would be tautologous.
The canon after the one which defines ‘church’ states that a church may not be built without the explicit written consent of the diocesan bishop. Paragraph 3 of the same canon states that regular institutes of consecrated life must obtain the same permission even if they already have permission to establish a conventus in that diocese.
The word ‘church’ is not solely the place of worship of a parish community. It is any sacred place in which the sacred liturgy of the church is celebrated and to which the public have access. Monastic communities have a sacred place in which they celebrate the Mass, recite the Divine Office and other liturgical rites. They are open to the public and are, thus, monastic churches.
The Code of Canon Law states that a church is a sacred place which is used for the celebration of divine worship and to which the public have access (cf. Can. 1214). It does not confine the use of the word ‘church’ to a parish church. Indeed, if church meant only a place of worship for a parish the use of the adjective ‘parish’ would be tautologous.
The canon after the one which defines ‘church’ states that a church may not be built without the explicit written consent of the diocesan bishop. Paragraph 3 of the same canon states that regular institutes of consecrated life must obtain the same permission even if they already have permission to establish a conventus in that diocese.
The word ‘church’ is not solely the place of worship of a parish community. It is any sacred place in which the sacred liturgy of the church is celebrated and to which the public have access. Monastic communities have a sacred place in which they celebrate the Mass, recite the Divine Office and other liturgical rites. They are open to the public and are, thus, monastic churches.
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tafan2
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@TomH1, I meant to already acknowledge your point, in my last sentence of last post, but I see that I messed up in typing it. It should have read:
So, I suppose there could be a church, that is not a parish church (or cathedral) that does not have to have a baptismal font. Oratoris and chapels would not. Basilicas and Cathedrals would.
However, the common use of the term church would imply a parish church 95% of the time. They have to have a baptismal font.
So, I suppose there could be a church, that is not a parish church (or cathedral) that does not have to have a baptismal font. Oratoris and chapels would not. Basilicas and Cathedrals would.
However, the common use of the term church would imply a parish church 95% of the time. They have to have a baptismal font.
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TomH1
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Would you please justify that percentage with a reference to a source.the common use of the term church would imply a parish church 95% of the time.
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tafan2
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Of course I can’t. Why be argumentative in this case? It was a figure I pulled off the top of my head. When people say “what church do you go to” it is equivalent to saying “what parish you go to”. Or they say “St Mark’s has a beautiful church”. When we use the word church, as in building, we are commonly referring to a parish church or cathedral, that’s what we are typically around.
What difference does it make. I admitted, there could be churches that do not have a baptismal font. But every parish church or cathedral must have one.
What difference does it make. I admitted, there could be churches that do not have a baptismal font. But every parish church or cathedral must have one.
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TomH1
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I am not being argumentative. I am simply attempting to use facts to answer the OP’s question rather than supposition.Why be argumentative in this case?
It appears you are determined that some agreement be reached that ‘church’ means a parish church. That may be your interpretation but the facts do not bear this out.
I am not going to respond to any more of your posts on this thread. I am simply trying to offer the facts, but if this continues the thread may be closed, which I would not want to cause, or one or both us may find ourselves being admonished by the moderators.
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tafan2
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I have laid out all the facts, by quoting all of the pertinent canons. My only point is that all parish churches have to have a baptismal font. I apologize if my responses have been taken as anything that would require a moderators admonishment. Absolutely no offense was intended on any of this, just trying to lay out the facts. Good day.
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