Are there new rubrics about genuflecting?

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Are there new rubrics to when we are supposed to genuflect. It seems I see people coming in and bowing instead of genuflecting and bowing when going up to read or sing or whatever. I see school kids being instructed to genuflect but I see adults (and not just elderly, young also) bowing instead. Just curious?
 
Are there new rubrics to when we are supposed to genuflect. It seems I see people coming in and bowing instead of genuflecting and bowing when going up to read or sing or whatever. I see school kids being instructed to genuflect but I see adults (and not just elderly, young also) bowing instead. Just curious?
If someone is not able to bow e.g., due to a physical limitation, then a reverent bow is also permitted. I’m guessing that’s why you see people bowing. There are a lot of reasons why knees don’t work, and many times, the young are afflicted.

At age 54, I have athritic knees, and although on good days (non-humid), I can genuflect as long as I have a pew to hang onto and pull up on, most of the time, a genuflection is not possible for me. So I bow.
 
Father Mark (EWTN) usually holds onto the pew when he genuflects after his entrance before he goes onto the altar. I have always thought he may have a physical limitation, because Mother Angelica would have formed them to genuflect freely, especially since the mass is televised. We never know what reasons others have for how they show reverence. It is not our place to judge. I note that many people have problems kneeling, as well.
 
As a custom, I always genuflect to the tabernacle where the Eucharist is kept (when entering and exiting the pew or when crossing the area up by the altar) and bow towards the altar when I pass it out in the church. We were taught to reverence the altar in school since that is where the Eucharist is celebrated. I remember one teacher telling us to think of the center of the doors being about where the altar and tabernacle were located (center of the church) and that we could even make the sign of the cross when we walked by church or drove by with our parents to show our attention and respect.
 
Bow to the altar, genuflect to the tabernacle. If the tabernacle is in a side chapel then you bow as you enter your pew. If it’s in the sanctuary or just off to the side and visible from the nave, then genuflect.

Genuflection is an act of worship and reserved for God Himself made present in the Blessed Sacrament.
 
The rubrics are not new; during the Mass, as the procession enters, they genuflect; after that they are to bow to the altar in reverence.

Some of the confusion goes with having the tabernacle in the sanctuary; people out of piety decide they will genuflect instead of following the rubrics.

Bottom line is that the issue is not earth shaking. Reverence is important; rubrics are important; rubrics without reverence is a show; true reverence not always in compliance with the exact rubrics is still pleasing to the Lord.
 
Are there new rubrics to when we are supposed to genuflect. It seems I see people coming in and bowing instead of genuflecting and bowing when going up to read or sing or whatever. I see school kids being instructed to genuflect but I see adults (and not just elderly, young also) bowing instead. Just curious?
Actually, what is appropriate according to Rubrics is that the faithful are to genuflect as they enter their pew in the nave or as they enter the santuary to the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle. Of course, those who are physically unable to get down and then up again may make another sign of reverence, usually a profound bow, the key word being profound.
Lectors, Cantors, Extraordinary Ministers, etc… during their function at the celebration of the Mass are to make a profound bow to the Altar as a show of reverence to the table of sacrifice as they enter into the santuary the first time but not on subsequint entries. EMs should make a profound bow as they leave the Altar as well. These ministers (Lectors, etc…) are asked not to genuflect during the celebration as they are participating so as not to distract the faithful from the Altar and the actions there.
 
Bow to the altar, genuflect to the tabernacle. If the tabernacle is in a side chapel then you bow as you enter your pew. If it’s in the sanctuary or just off to the side and visible from the nave, then genuflect.

Genuflection is an act of worship and reserved for God Himself made present in the Blessed Sacrament.
Here’s a question for you (and anyone else). I hope it is related enough to the topic to not merit a separate thread, but if the moderators feel it is a separate thread, then I have no problem with that.

During the Stations of the Cross in our parish, we genuflect for each Station.

Several individuals and families turn to face the tabernacle during this genuflection, rather than facing the Station.

In fact, our RCIA teacher told us that we should not genuflect to anything or anyone, including a Station, but only to Jesus in the Tabernacle.

What’s proper? I tend to genuflect only to the Jesus in the tabernacle (again, hanging onto my pew) because I have a hard time genuflecting to an image. But I also am concerned about not appearing in unity with the priest and the rest of the congregation during Stations.

BTW, I’m a convert (8 years this Easter!), so I have no frame of reference with “what we all used to do,” because I and my husband never did the Stations of the Cross or did any genuflecting or bowing in our Protestant churches. All I can do is obey the current rubrics and trust my Bishop.

Thank you!
 
Here’s a question for you (and anyone else). I hope it is related enough to the topic to not merit a separate thread, but if the moderators feel it is a separate thread, then I have no problem with that.

During the Stations of the Cross in our parish, we genuflect for each Station.

Several individuals and families turn to face the tabernacle during this genuflection, rather than facing the Station.

In fact, our RCIA teacher told us that we should not genuflect to anything or anyone, including a Station, but only to Jesus in the Tabernacle.

What’s proper? I tend to genuflect only to the Jesus in the tabernacle (again, hanging onto my pew) because I have a hard time genuflecting to an image. But I also am concerned about not appearing in unity with the priest and the rest of the congregation during Stations.

BTW, I’m a convert (8 years this Easter!), so I have no frame of reference with “what we all used to do,” because I and my husband never did the Stations of the Cross or did any genuflecting or bowing in our Protestant churches. All I can do is obey the current rubrics and trust my Bishop.

Thank you!
I’ve never thought about genuflecting in this case as being “to” anything, but rather in response to the words “*We adore thee O Christ and we praise thee”, *in the same way that we will genuflect today at the words of the Creed.
 
People should either genuflect or give a profound bow towards the tabernacle when entering the worship space and when leaving. Some even do it just before approaching a minister for Holy Communion too. Either one is showing respect, and I am not going to judge anyone’s reasons for what way they show reverence the Blessed Sacrament. I can genuflect, but find it easier due to knee problems & my size to lean some on the pew with my hand to make it easier on me.

I noticed that happens a lot more when I go to Extraordinary Form Masses as every time people got up like a parent taking a kid to a cry room area, they did a quick bow towards the tabernacle when leaving and then returning - I noticed that only because they were seated very close to me.
 
Actually, what is appropriate according to Rubrics is that the faithful are to genuflect as they enter their pew in the nave or as they enter the santuary to the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle. Of course, those who are physically unable to get down and then up again may make another sign of reverence, usually a profound bow, the key word being profound. Lectors, Cantors, Extraordinary Ministers, etc… during their function at the celebration of the Mass are to make a profound bow to the Altar as a show of reverence to the table of sacrifice as they enter into the santuary the first time but not on subsequint entries. EMs should make a profound bow as they leave the Altar as well. These ministers (Lectors, etc…) are asked not to genuflect during the celebration as they are participating so as not to distract the faithful from the Altar and the actions there.
Actually, this seems incorrect. The GIRM does not instruct the faithful to genuflect specifically when entering a pew, but rather states that people are to genuflect whenever passing in front of the Sacrament except when in a procession. I can find nothing about pews. Secondly, it is true that the liturgical instructions, though not from what I can tell the GIRM, call for lectors, and by extension we can presume readers, to bow to the altar when entering the sanctuary during Mass. Unfortunately, however, this concept seems to be applied much to broadly and has led to the unfortunate deprivation of proper form during other times. I see every day at our parish altar servers and others going in and out of the sanctuary before and after Mass with nothing more than a bow. This is totally incorrect and omits the proper act of adoration called for by the presence of the tabernacle. It is only during Mass itself, i.e. after the opening sign of the cross and the closing “Thanks be to God”, that we should bow. At other times we should genuflect when entering and leaving the sanctuary as is done by the ministers after the procession and before the recession.
If someone is not able to bow e.g., due to a physical limitation, then a reverent bow is also permitted. I’m guessing that’s why you see people bowing. There are a lot of reasons why knees don’t work, and many times, the young are afflicted.
Yes, a bow can be substituted when absolutely necessary, but only then. A genuflexion is an act of worship whereas a bow is not, and therefore one should genuflect unless actually prevented by a true physical impediment. In my parish I see only perhaps one in ten people still genuflect. This leads me to believe that an unbelievable ninety percent of all Catholics, from the quite young to the very old, suffer from crippling leg injuries. Obviously, there is something in holy water which causes degenerative knee diseases.
 
I’ve never thought about genuflecting in this case as being “to” anything, but rather in response to the words “*We adore thee O Christ and we praise thee”, *in the same way that we will genuflect today at the words of the Creed.
That’s how I was brought up. The genuflection during the Stations of the Cross is a sign of reverence as we pray 'We adore thee, O Christ, and we praise thee".

I have been taught that we genuflect to the Tabernacle and bow to the altar.

I have been totally messed up when I have gone to some churches and can’t FIND the Tabernacle. That was very odd.
 
We also genuflect during the Creed on Christmas and Today (Feast of the Annunciation) when we say “and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and became man.”

Depending on where one is sitting you may or may not be facing the Tabernacle .
I thought this was similar to genuflecting during the Stations.
 
I’ve never thought about genuflecting in this case as being “to” anything, but rather in response to the words “*We adore thee O Christ and we praise thee”, *in the same way that we will genuflect today at the words of the Creed.
And I think we tend to genuflect toward the tabernacle because that is where the kneeler is. 😊 Generally we are standing in the pew, facing toward the seat, then turn to where there is room to kneel.
 
At my parish, I’d say that a good ninety-five percent, from ages three to ninety-three don’t genuflect. Many of them don’t bother bowing either. In fact, it seems that the only people who bow are those who are EMHC or lectors. Yes, people have knee problems, but not on that scale. On the flip side, I know a person who has had both knees replaced, can’t walk normally, and still genuflects. I can tell it’s extremely difficult for him, but one has to admire that he puts in the effort when so many young perfectly able people make no effort at all.
 
Actually, this seems incorrect. The GIRM does not instruct the faithful to genuflect specifically when entering a pew, but rather states that people are to genuflect whenever passing in front of the Sacrament except when in a procession. I can find nothing about pews. Secondly, it is true that the liturgical instructions, though not from what I can tell the GIRM, call for lectors, and by extension we can presume readers, to bow to the altar when entering the sanctuary during Mass.
Everyone should keep in mind that the rules that are practiced are found in more places than the GIRM. There are the Sacramentary, the Roman Missal, letters to priests from their Bishops, letters of instruction from the USCCB, and, of course, letters from the Office of Divine Worship at the Vatican.
As far as genuflecting before entering the pew, I will stand by my comments as correct. When you first enter the nave, that is considered entering the presence of the Blessed Sacrament and respect must be shown, not just when you walk infront of the tabernacle but at all times. One of the ways we, as Catholics, do that is by genuflecting as we enter the presence of Christ. Before you sit in a pew it is appropriate to show respect BEFORE making yourself comfortable.
Don’t make the same mistake as those who do not understand the Catholic Church and ridicule Her by taking only bits of information, not all information, or taking anything out of context. That’s how misconceptions get started.
 
My parish just had ‘training’ for Lectors and we were instructed to BOW to the alter after we were finished reading. No mention of genuflecting.

I see some people bowing instead of genuflecting when they enter the pew but normally this is because they are elderly and it’s fairly obvious kneeling isn’t easy for them.

Furthermore, the music team generally stops to genuflect or bow on their way up to the front.

So I dunno. I guess it will depend on the person and the parish.
 
. . . Before you sit in a pew it is appropriate to show respect BEFORE making yourself comfortable.
Don’t make the same mistake as those who do not understand the Catholic Church and ridicule Her by taking only bits of information, not all information, or taking anything out of context. That’s how misconceptions get started.
Actually, I fear that you are actually under the misconception.🙂 In actuality we genuflect when we do because of where we are in relation to the tabernacle. In a traditional Church it so happens we are standing directly in front of the tabernacle when we enter the pew, thus passing in front of it, and so naturally we genuflect. Sitting is only incidental to the act. If, for instance, we walked into the same Church and turned immediately to the left to leave by a side exit we would still stop and genuflect at that same point as if we had entered a pew. Why? Because the Sacrament is directly in front of us and we are crossing in front of it, just as turning into the pew does. Sitting is not the issue at all, but rather passing in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

BTW, this can become a real problem before and after Mass. Look around the next time you are there and see what goes on in your church. There is a good chance people are walking back and forth seemingly oblivious of that tabernacle in front of which they are repeatedly crossing. I know this happens in our local parishes every day, though of course, only about one in ten people ever genuflect at all here. 😊 But, why do even those in the ten percent still ignore the Sacrament, unless they happen to be entering the pew? Because they are under that very misconception that we genuflect because we are entering the pew, and forget or don’t realise it is actually because we are crossing in front of the tabernacle.
 
Actually, I fear that you are actually under the misconception.🙂 In actuality we genuflect when we do because of where we are in relation to the tabernacle. In a traditional Church it so happens we are standing directly in front of the tabernacle when we enter the pew, thus passing in front of it, and so naturally we genuflect. Sitting is only incidental to the act. If, for instance, we walked into the same Church and turned immediately to the left to leave by a side exit we would still stop and genuflect at that same point as if we had entered a pew. Why? Because the Sacrament is directly in front of us and we are crossing in front of it, just as turning into the pew does. Sitting is not the issue at all, but rather passing in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

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If you read my response carefully, that is why I said we are genuflecting, because we are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. That doesn’t just go for those coming down the center aisle, but anywhere in the church. Nothing annoys me more than people who disrespect the Blessed Sacrament in that way, or any way, and I don’t care who they are, Priest or lay.

You may want to read more carefully.
 
Sorry if it sounds a bit bolshy , but , as long as my joints allow me to , I will genuflect on entering and leaving the church , and whenever I pass in front of the Blessed Sacrament .
 
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