Are there spirits?

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I had a strange experience and would appreciate comment. I was advised to meet with a former Jesuit for career advice and ended up receiving “spiritual direction.” I wasn’t surprised at some of the religion-oriented questions since I knew he had been a retreat leader when he was a priest. However, his referencing ‘the spirits’ was a bit unnerving for me. :confused: He stated at least twice during my visit that “the spirits” were telling him xyz as to what I should do. It became worse when he recommended that I consider working for an extremely liberal organization that would definitely clash with the Catholic church except for some social justice issues. He works for a Catholic college.

Initially, I thought he said spirit…as in the Holy Spirit…which seemed ok. “The spirits” sounds strange and New Age to me. I guess it could have simply been a turn of phrase but I think it meant something else. Can there be “good spirits”? What would that mean?

I appreciate any comments on this strange matter.
 
If someone told me that they are a channel of spiritual direction from spirits, I would move out quickly, then later pray for him. (But at the time I heard him say this, I would have asked him directly what these spirits are.) This all is foreign to any possible form of actual Catholic spiritual counseling.
If you are wondering nevertheless if his claims as to the source of his guidance and what he said is legitimate, I suggest that you go to your parish priest and ask him about what happened, perhaps not saying who gave you this counseling if you would prefer not to give out his name.
Direction from unnamed “spirits” sounds sinister to me, as I am sure it will be to others who respond here.
 
He stated at least twice during my visit that “the spirits” were telling him xyz as to what I should do. It became worse when he recommended that I consider working for an extremely liberal organization that would definitely clash with the Catholic church except for some social justice issues. He works for a Catholic college.
Then clearly any “spirits” he was listening to were not of God. Find a new advisor.
Initially, I thought he said spirit…as in the Holy Spirit…which seemed ok. “The spirits” sounds strange and New Age to me. I guess it could have simply been a turn of phrase but I think it meant something else. Can there be “good spirits”? What would that mean?
I appreciate any comments on this strange matter.
I don’t gather this priest was referring to the Holy Spirit. When it comes to spirits, there are are only four possibilities as to what they could be: God, angels, demons, and human souls.

If this guy advised you to do something that contradicts God’s will, then either he is lying and pushing his agenda on you, he has psychological issues and hears voices that aren’t there, or he is listening to demons.

The Church instructs us to avoid any kind of divination or other occult activities:
CCC 2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.
 
We all may assume that a former nun or Priest is more liberal, but, a Priest forever too, isn’t that so? Unless he asked you to join a pro-abortion group, I can’t think of any that would “clash.” And, pro-death penalty isn’t liberal, but, caring for those on death row is visiting the imprisoned … an act of charity. Is it a charity? Who else belongs to the group, who are Catholic? … Any fellow parishioners, adults or other students … what is their example? Can you get a second opinion from your Pastor? I suppose that if you had doubts … I can imagine what the advice would be. I was advised once to involve myself in the funeral ministry. It was’t a perfect fit, directly advising families of options in music, etc., further I didn’t join the funeral choir, but have worked for the dinners and now am a EMHC for funerals.

God works in mysterious ways. Praise Him!
 
We all may assume that a former nun or Priest is more liberal, but, a Priest forever too, isn’t that so? Unless he asked you to join a pro-abortion group, I can’t think of any that would “clash.” And, pro-death penalty isn’t liberal, but, caring for those on death row is visiting the imprisoned … an act of charity. Is it a charity? Who else belongs to the group, who are Catholic? … Any fellow parishioners, adults or other students … what is their example? Can you get a second opinion from your Pastor? I suppose that if you had doubts … I can imagine what the advice would be. I was advised once to involve myself in the funeral ministry. It was’t a perfect fit, directly advising families of options in music, etc., further I didn’t join the funeral choir, but have worked for the dinners and now am a EMHC for funerals.

God works in mysterious ways. Praise Him!
I definitely agree with the liberal charge in this case. He recommended that I work for a public interest law firm that works primarily on race issues. This particular group goes to great pains to connect some abortion doctor killers with white supremacist groups. That may be legitimate but that type of rhetoric typically casts a long shadow over non-violent pro-life activists. In my mind, it would be similar to working for the ACLU. Some of their view points are shared with the Catholic church but many more are not and so it would not be appropriate to work for an entity that is more rather than less at odds with the Catholic Church.
 
I don’t gather this priest was referring to the Holy Spirit. When it comes to spirits, there are are only four possibilities as to what they could be: God, angels, demons, and human souls.

If this guy advised you to do something that contradicts God’s will, then either he is lying and pushing his agenda on you, he has psychological issues and hears voices that aren’t there, or he is listening to demons.

The Church instructs us to avoid any kind of divination or other occult activities:

I think that he was pushing his agenda on me upon further thought. He pretty much ignored some of things I said were of interest to me and recommended that I explore things that were not related to anything I had mentioned.
 
If you feel in any way uncomfortable with what he has said and with what he is advising I would follow my gut feeling and move on without a second thought. His reference to ‘spirits’ would worry me… a lot.

Make an appointment with recognized professionals for career advice - if you must pay for it, it will be a good investment and you should be happy with your choice in the long term. If you need spiritual direction see a Catholic priest with a good and wide reputation.
 
You must cleanse yourself of any possible unholy contamination this person may have exposed you to. He clearly presented himself as being in direct communication with unidentified “spirits,” leaving you confused and doubtful … a common trick of satan. The encounter was entirely innocent on your part, but he knew exactly what he was doing. Evil is contagious, my friend. You must also report him and his channeling session to his superiors and even to the president of this Catholic college. Perhaps this is a clue as to why he is no longer a priest.
 
I had a strange experience and would appreciate comment. I was advised to meet with a former Jesuit for career advice and ended up receiving “spiritual direction.” I.
confusing post. if by former Jesuit you mean a man who was a priest but has left the priesthood and returned to the lay state, he is not allowed to have any active role in any Church ministry, including and especially spiritual direction or catechesis. Who told you to go to him for career advice and why? If you mean he now has a secular job where he is a career counsellor, why on earth is he talking about spirits? What has that to do with career choices? I’d say run quickly to a legitimate career coounsellor. If you mean he was speaking to you if the Ignatian method of discerning spirits, as in, discerning how the Holy Spirit is working in your life, that is another thing. Are you sure you did not misunderstand what he said?
 
I definitely agree with the liberal charge in this case. He recommended that I work for a public interest law firm that works primarily on race issues. This particular group goes to great pains to connect some abortion doctor killers with white supremacist groups. That may be legitimate but that type of rhetoric typically casts a long shadow over non-violent pro-life activists. In my mind, it would be similar to working for the ACLU. Some of their view points are shared with the Catholic church but many more are not and so it would not be appropriate to work for an entity that is more rather than less at odds with the Catholic Church.
Hate (Satan, if you will) is something we battle every day. So, one is battling the hate and murder (murder of other’s either by hatred or actual murder.) At that same time, protestion of laws that prevent hatred of racial differences is different from protestation of laws that allow abortion. Laws that prevent hatred of racial differences and a desire for laws which protect the rights of the unborn to live are on the same side: Both are life issues. (The reasons behind hatred of blacks and reasons for abortion are similar, too. As is a link between them is the *outcome *with black unborn children being killed.) Why the primary (partners maybe) attorneys at this firm have a problem in understanding, is something to discuss (at least!) with the people of the law firm. You can tell them exactly what your mind and conscience tells you! Planting a seed, and, perhaps they are a law firm which wants you for that reason. Maybe there are others of the same mind in the firm, and, they need you! I won’t say that you could take the job and fight it maybe, every day yourself … in two ways, it seems; that is up to you. That may be your calling.
 
This is my first post, so please bear with me, dear prople. I come from the historical little town of “St.Thomas’ Mount” in India, but now live in Australia. That part of India has been steeped in spirituality for centuries.

I would like to share with you **my own experiences **with spirits involving the dangerous dabling with the occult. This account is completely true, and illustrates why one should not undertake such dabbling.

It was some time in July 1964; we were living in the historic town of Saint Thomas’ Mount in India, in the state of Madras (now Chanai). It was about 8.30 PM, and I had just come home from work.

As I entered the dining room, to get a drink of water; my uncle George and aunty Theo spoke to me excitedly,
Code:
“Peter,” they exclaimed together, “you won’t believe who we have on the ‘board’ right now’.
The ‘board’ they were referring to was the ouija board. Aunty Theo was visiting from Calcutta, and Uncle George was visiting from a few streets away. The ouija board was their ‘hobby’. Uncle’s wife did not approve of his messing with the occult, so our place was the venue of choice. My Mum, their sister, was more tolerant.

This spirit ‘on the board’ called himself Ithan (remember this name) and claimed to be from Venus. I was crazy about astronomy, and all things extraterrestrial, hence their reaction when I walked in. However I was not too impressed, after all entity can say they are from Venus, or any other planet. Then Ithan broke in to our short conversation to inform us that the singer Jim Reeves had just died in a plane crash. He went on to spell out the news that they haven’t found the wreckage yet, and it will be a couple of days before the news was made public. Jim Reeves songs were very popular in India in the ‘60s.

December 1964, about 5 months later, Theo’s brother-in-law Oscar paid us a flying visit from Calcutta; while we were chatting about family matters he noticed a picture of a sailing ship on the calendar and picked it up for a closer look, we held out breaths because on the back of the calendar Uncle George had painted the letters of the Ouija board – and Ozzie found it. After an embarrassing silence, he turned to me and said;
Code:
“Peter, Ella (my cousin in Calcutta) and Kathleen (a relative of Oscar) were also fooling with this thing back home, and claimed they had a guy from Venus. While he was still communicating with them Jim Reeves died. We were probably one of the very first to know of his death”.
As you might imagine, there was a stunned silence. Then it was Oscar’s turn to be surprised;
Code:
“Was his name Ithan?” I asked.
It was!

More than 800 MILES away, this same person with the unusual name, from Venus?

About three months later, in early 1965, Oscar paid us another visit. This trip was to warn Aunty Theo about the ‘board’. He told us that one day Kathleen’s husband got home earlier than expected and found her naked, with the letters of the ouija board inked on her bare body. She was operating the board on her own. She did not recognise her husband, and had completely lost her sanity. Kathleen was admitted into a psychiatric hospital.

As far as I know, that’s where she is today. The ouija board had claimed another victim. Did Ithan have anything to do with this? If he didn’t, he should have warned them about the danger.

Some time around the end of 1973 - 9 years later, we had moved to Melbourne, Australia; on a T.V. current affair programme, we watched the presenter interview a Sydney clairvoyant, who claimed to be in regular psychic contact with a being from Venus, whose name was — Ithanus .

Going back a few years, to a September night in 1961; this time we are in the Dells area of Prescott, Arizona, USA. Four-year-old David was seen by his neighbour in the company of strangers, walking in the woods behind their home.

When questioned later this little boy explained to his startled father and neighbour that he had gone for a ride in his new friend’s “big sky car”, from which our world “looked like a pea”. The name of this friend? “ITAN”; a four-year-olds pronunciation of ITHAN?.

To give us an idea of the morals of this “ITAN”; little David went on to describe how ‘they’ stole (he used the word ‘milked’) all the engine oil out of the neighbour’s car which was locked in the garage.

David’s story can be read in Ruth Montgomery’s fascinating book STRANGERS AMONG US.
 
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