Are there things Catholics consider a sin but Protestants don't??

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nancy, did you know that all protestant churches taught that contraception was an **intrinsic evil act **until 1930? You can look it up: At the Anglican church Lambeth Conference of 1930, they voted that under ‘certain conditions’ contraception might NOT be evil. . . although 10 years before they had reiterated that it WAS evil. . .a few years after 1930, first one and then the other protestant denominations likewise jumped on the Sanger ‘birth control’ wagon. . .

As far as Scripture, they used this: Genesis 38: 8 Juda, therefore said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother’s wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother. 9 He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother’s wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother’s name. 10 And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing.

“Spilling the seed” otherwise known as ‘coitus interruptus’ was one of the earliest methods used for ‘contraception.’ And Scripture calls it a detestable thing in the sight of the Lord. . .

Could the Lord have been mad because he did it in front of her to insult her? And he might have hated his brother? Do we have all the picture to make conclusions? I am an extrovert and i ask questions because i need detail. i have read this before but didn’t think much of it because no one ever mentioned it or why. I guess i ignored it because i thought he was a nut.Useally if i don’t like something i stay away from it or ignore it. The old Testement is very hard on me, very hard for me to think of. To much blood shed and horror, bloodgent.
I never herd of ‘coitus interruptus’ ever. I also remember the one who was called the man with the loose or one sandle he didn’t want to marry his brothers wife is this the same one? Love of Christ Nancy No I didn’t know about the protestants, well i can explain that some time I think i did not all protest’s. do that and are against birth control and abortion. I was Catholic before i went to a differnt church Baptist not protestant I think protestants are people who don’t care to believe in God at all or are any religion and don’t practice it. That’s the way i thought, just people from every religion who don’t care. you are Loved Nancy

 

[DOShea]

It strikes me as a complete waste of time to discuss what is or is not a sin with someone who has a radically different idea of how salvation is gained. If a person believes they are saved in a one-time event and that the complete and total price of their sins has been paid for, including future sins, what meaningful difference will it make if they were to suddenly exclaim, “Oh my… I agree, that IS a sin?” All that will mean is that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was for their 10,427 sins instead of their 10,138 sins.

Whether or not “additional things” are sins or not will only really matter if there is a price (for them) to be paid for those extra sins.

 

[Danimal]

“Sin” is not a word used much, if at all, in the Methodist church. Instead, words like “problems”, “mistakes”, and “failings” are used instead.
There is also a more emphasis on Jesus as buddy and Jesus as boyfriend, especially in praise/worship music.
It is difficult at times to engage people in church in debate because they will eventually play what I call “the God card”. That is, they will claim a special revelation from God. That takes the form of “God told me such-and-such” or “God laid on my heart”. That shuts down conversation and debates cold. There is really no way to verify individual revelations.
The individual interpretation of Scripture is a problem, too. Each person’s interpretation is equally valid. I really don’t know how this can be.
Contraception isn’t really addressed by the church. It’s considered a private, individual choice.
I believe that God desires a relationship with us. However, in our church is carried too far. Rarely, do you hear the word “salvation”. Rather, you hear only “relationship with Jesus”. I think this is a problem because there is less emphasis on Christ’s sacrifice for us.
I agree with the seven deadly sins but Methodists don’t teach that, either. I suppose we would call it “the seven deadly character flaws”.
The United Methodist church is actually divided into two factions. The Confessing church opposes gay marriage and the ordination of gay clergy. The Reconciling churches promote the inclusion of gays in the church, gay marriage, and ordination of gays. Officially, clergy is forbidden to officiate same sex marriages, be in an active gay relationship, or extend church membership to active homosexuals. Obviously, the UMC does not consider homosexuality sinful.
I do not believe that my particular denomination takes sin that seriously. I really find some of our services and Bible studies to resemble group therapy. Communion is considered a memorial, not the actually body and blood of Christ.
In short, it is sinful not to call sin what it really is: willful disobedience to God.

 

[survive]

Protestantism runs the gamut from “no one can claim to speak for God” to “Your pastor is a great prophet, who has been talking with God about you all night and here’s what God said” with a lot of room in between. Ridgerunner is right about the gamut of what a sin is, from a haircut (or for a man too long since a haircut), to churches that make it hard to find anything they would call a sin or even a failing etc.

 

[kalt]

What about divorce and then remarriage? As a Catholic, if you were to be married in the RCC, divorced, and then remarried without benefit of an annulment, that would be considered a sin.

I have protestent friends and relatives who have been married, divorced, remarried (some of them multiple times) and it is not considered sinful.

And sex before marriage.

 

[kalt]

“Sin” is not a word used much, if at all, in the Methodist church. Instead, words like “problems”, “mistakes”, and “failings” are used instead.
There is also a more emphasis on Jesus as buddy and Jesus as boyfriend, especially in praise/worship music.
It is difficult at times to engage people in church in debate because they will eventually play what I call “the God card”. That is, they will claim a special revelation from God. That takes the form of “God told me such-and-such” or “God laid on my heart”. That shuts down conversation and debates cold. There is really no way to verify individual revelations.
The individual interpretation of Scripture is a problem, too. Each person’s interpretation is equally valid. I really don’t know how this can be.
Contraception isn’t really addressed by the church. It’s considered a private, individual choice.
I believe that God desires a relationship with us. However, in our church is carried too far. Rarely, do you hear the word “salvation”. Rather, you hear only “relationship with Jesus”. I think this is a problem because there is less emphasis on Christ’s sacrifice for us.
I agree with the seven deadly sins but Methodists don’t teach that, either. I suppose we would call it “the seven deadly character flaws”.
The United Methodist church is actually divided into two factions. The Confessing church opposes gay marriage and the ordination of gay clergy. The Reconciling churches promote the inclusion of gays in the church, gay marriage, and ordination of gays. Officially, clergy is forbidden to officiate same sex marriages, be in an active gay relationship, or extend church membership to active homosexuals. Obviously, the UMC does not consider homosexuality sinful.
I do not believe that my particular denomination takes sin that seriously. I really find some of our services and Bible studies to resemble group therapy. Communion is considered a memorial, not the actually body and blood of Christ.
In short, it is sinful not to call sin what it really is: willful disobedience to God.

Jesus as boyfriend? I’ve never heard that. Is it as bad as it sounds?

 

[distracted]

They don’t fear him because they don’t realy believe in him or they are slack and don’t study to show thyself approved. that makes all the difference in the world. To busy for their creator they will face some day, and what will they come up with to say to him when he asks them" Why do you think i cannot let you enter in to my rest?"

i agree… but i also say that ignorance is not the reason they will be rejected… because in a very real sense NONE of us is ignorant… not totally ignorant, that is… Everyone has a conscience. Even the person born and raised w/o religion… clue-less about Christ… can find Him if he really desires to find him… or if he doesn’t find him, he still has a cosncience to tell him what is right and wrong… and if he listens to it and obeys, he can make it to heaven, i feel, even he doesn’t intimately know Christ… In following goodness and purity and truth, he IS acknowledging Christ, whether he knows it or not… and i know that this kind of person will find Christ eventually… and usually in this life… (first)

the bible says taht the ignorant will be beaten with “fewer stripes”… (purgatory? &/or Hell?) but it does not say that he will be beaten with NONE… so i guess ignorance is not bliss forever…

people don’t accept Purgatory today because t hey don’t accept suffering of ANY kind… They think they are to avoid it like the plague… which is human and understandable but … no pain no gain…

 

[distracted]

Jesus as boyfriend? I’ve never heard that. Is it as bad as it sounds?

Jesus is my boyfriend… the only one i have had in 50 yrs… (thereabouts … just feels like it)

He has spoiled me…

(which explains why i’ve been celibate and alone for so long… He is a tough act to follow, as they say…)… an imposible act to follow…

 

[distracted]

". That takes the form of “God told me such-and-such” or “God laid on my heart”. That shuts down conversation and debates cold. There is really no way to verify individual revelations.

for SURE!!!

The individual interpretation of Scripture is a problem, too. Each person’s interpretation is equally valid. I really don’t know how this can be.
Contraception isn’t really addressed by the church. It’s considered a private, individual choice.

well, in the human realm that is true… but people should be concerned w/ the godly realm…

I agree with the seven deadly sins but Methodists don’t teach that, either. I suppose we would call it “the seven deadly character flaws”.

or the
7 deadly No Big Deals Because I am Saved No Matter What I DO(s)???

(Do Methodists believe in osas??)

The United Methodist church is actually divided into two factions. The Confessing church opposes gay marriage and the ordination of gay clergy. The Reconciling churches promote the inclusion of gays in the church, gay marriage, and ordination of gays. Officially, clergy is forbidden to officiate same sex marriages, be in an active gay relationship, or extend church membership to active homosexuals. Obviously, the UMC does not consider homosexuality sinful.
I do not believe that my particular denomination takes sin that seriously. .

yes but one Church does… the RCC!! In fact when you are Catholic vritually everything is a sin… everything humans do, that is…

and when you think about it, this is somewhat true… I am a good Christian until someone does something that irritates me or angers me… Then Jesus… uh… goes out the window, as it were…

and as bad as people can be these days… well, Jesus goes away a lot …

thankfully i know enough to … well, pray and stuff, when people cross me… and 2) stay away from humanoids if possible…

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

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someone i know once said that when you are Catholic, everything is a sin.

but drinking alcohol is not a sin and dancing is not a sin… as Baptists believe (some).

so exactly what might this mean???

Anything at all can be sinful. Going to Mass is a sin if one has someone at home who needs attention round the clock.​

Drinking alcohol is a sin if the drinker knows that to do so is likely to lead to some kind of evil: such as driving while intoxicated. If someone knows that to drink leads him to abuse his wife, he sins by drinking, because he is able to know in advance, from his past conduct, what one of the results of his drinking is likely to be. By drinking he may well commit more than one sin.

Marriage is a sin, if one is already engaged to someone else.

Many dances are very immodest & are likely to be proximate occasions of sin. Absolutely any thought, word, deed or omission of good can be a means of sinning.

 

[distracted]

Anything at all can be sinful. Going to Mass is a sin if one has someone at home who needs attention round the clock.​

Drinking alcohol is a sin if the drinker knows that to do so is likely to lead to some kind of evil: such as driving while intoxicated. If someone knows that to drink leads him to abuse his wife, he sins by drinking, because he is able to know in advance, from his past conduct, what one of the results of his drinking is likely to be. By drinking he may well commit more than one sin.

Marriage is a sin, if one is already engaged to someone else.

Many dances are very immodest & are likely to be proximate occasions of sin. Absolutely any thought, word, deed or omission of good can be a means of sinning.

i agree w/ all except the marriage thing… if you are only engaged, it is not a sin to marry someone else…

 

[Janet1983]

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someone i know once said that when you are Catholic, everything is a sin.

but drinking alcohol is not a sin and dancing is not a sin… as Baptists believe (some).

so exactly what might this mean???

Well if you do not attend mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor…
If you do not receive the sacrament of reconciliation (confessing to a priest) at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin…
If you do not receive holy communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of lent and Trinity Sunday…
If you fail to observe the fast days and abstinence days established by the Church…
If you do not contribute to the support of the Church…

Those things are surely not a problem for many Protestants…

I forgot something: Due to the way the CC understands its own teaching it would be a sin to disagree with a “revealed truth” I think… Well it should because anyone who does automatically calls the one who proclaims it a liar (and he is claiming to pronounce God’s teaching)…

 

[distracted]

Catholics believe in the dual nature of sin. The temporal or damage we do to Christ’s body- the people- and the spiritual aspect- which is completely wiped clean at Confession.

The passion addressed all spiritual sin but the damage of the temporal aspects of sin must be cleansed in that process/place we call Purgatory. THe Church makes no official statement as to what the nature of Purgatory is- only that a “thing” happens to remove the temporal stain of sin before we can enjoy the beatific Vision.

Protestants may not believe in this dual nature of sin. I don’t know the Orthodox idea as to what we call Purgatory.

protestants who try to obey Christ no matter what the world is doing are in Purgatory…

but they don’t use those kinds of words… because its not found in the Bible…

(the concept is but not the word…) I don’t know why it has to be there in black and white … their name isn’t in the bible either but they believe in themselves…

 

[distracted]

Well if you do not attend mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor…
If you do not receive the sacrament of reconciliation (confessing to a priest) at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin…
If you do not receive holy communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of lent and Trinity Sunday…
If you fail to observe the fast days and abstinence days established by the Church…
If you do not contribute to the support of the Church…

Those things are surely not a problem for many Protestants…

I forgot something: Due to the way the CC understands its own teaching it would be a sin to disagree with a “revealed truth” I think… Well it should because anyone who does automatically calls the one who proclaims it a liar (and he is claiming to pronounce God’s teaching)…

interesting… It is definitely a sin to disagree (go against) a truth of any kind… knowing that you are doing so.

OSAS’ers seem to think that nothing is a sin, if by sin we mean something that can drag us into Hell. they think that Jesus did everything 2000 yrs ago… so no sin can do that…

well… if Jesus did everythingg for us and there is nothing more for us to do ourselves…

why are we still living on Earth afrter we accept Him.?? I accepted Him and was filled w/ the SpiritYEARS & YEARS ago and i am still here… Isn’t life for learning? life is for learning Christ… We humans do not just automatically KNOW everything about Christ just because we metnally assent that we should try to follow his ways… not hardly. And when we sin, we “know” less than before because we lose grace… (etc)

If our goal in life is not primarily to work out our salvation w/ fear & trembling (Phil 2:12) then we will, of course, turn to other goals… making $, getting ahead…

this one nun saint, St Josepha (?) had a vision of Hell where she saw the demons discussing how they can get more people to HEll by causing them to work all the time… meahing they will have little time to focus on Christ… and salvation… afffirming the notion that people need to WORK on our salvation. it’s a process

so much for the Protestant work ethic…

 

[freedomwriter]

Drinking alcohol is not a sin unless you cause your brother to stumble. Then it is a sin. My question is how can you bring someone to know the Lord holding a beer in your hand? Bad witness. Also distracted: There is no one in purgatory. No such thing. Your are either in the presence of the Lord at the time of death or not.