Are there unforgivable sins?

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Those who believe in hell often like to assume Hitler is there.

What if he had a deathbed conversion? Say he repented for his sins and took communion just before he died. Could he too at least make it into purgatory?
 
Polak said:
Those who believe in hell often like to assume Hitler is there.

What if he had a deathbed conversion? Say he repented for his sins and took communion just before he died. Could he too at least make it into purgatory?
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We should hope that Hitler is with Jesus. Hoping against hope for the benefit of others is charity applied. You and I both need that hope also.
 
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Polak said:
Those who believe in hell often like to assume Hitler is there.

What if he had a deathbed conversion? Say he repented for his sins and took communion just before he died. Could he too at least make it into purgatory?
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Purgatory isn’t a final stop, it’s a purification for heaven.

If Hitler had a true and sincere deathbed conversion, then he could be in heaven/purgatory-on-the-way-to-heaven.

The only unforgivable sin is truly and finally turning away from God such that you never repent.

If you ever worry about having committed the unforgivable sin, stop. If you did you wouldn’t even think about it or care from now until death. Any sin in this world can be repented if that’s what a person wants to do.
 
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I’ve always heard that sins against the Holy Spirit are unforgivable. Not quite sure what those would be, unless it’s denying the Holy Spirit completely.
 
Hitler didn’t have a deathbed. He committed suicide. His conversion would have to have been in his final milliseconds between the triggerpull and death.
 
JanR said:
I’ve always heard that sins against the Holy Spirit are unforgivable. Not quite sure what those would be, unless it’s denying the Holy Spirit completely.
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit – the “deliberate refusal” to accept God’s mercy and forgiveness (no. 1864).
 
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Wesrock said:
If Hitler had a true and sincere deathbed conversion, then he could be in heaven/purgatory-on-the-way-to-heaven.
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Not “could be” but rather “would be”. Other than the deliberate refusal of divine mercy it’s impossible to be damned.
 
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redcatholic said:
Hitler didn’t have a deathbed. He committed suicide. His conversion would have to have been in his final milliseconds between the triggerpull and death.
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Unless you believe the theories that he lived a long time after that in Argentina.

I chose Hitler, but you could put plenty of others in his place, responsible for the killing of millions of people.

Actually you may have just pointed out the one unforgivable sin. Suicide. Unforgivable in the sense that by committing it, the person doesn’t allow themself the time to repent.

@Vico

Are you saying if you commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that’s it? You cannot repent and be forgiven for that?
 
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, other than that, every sin can be forgiven. That gives me hope, because I’m very good at sinning and need forgiveness. It makes me angry, because people like Hitler should be beyond the scope of forgiveness.
 
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@Vico

Are you saying if you commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that’s it? You cannot repent and be forgiven for that?
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Any sin can be forgiven before death. Well, final impenitence means that a person ended without repenting of a mortal sin. So if the person has a state of sanctifying grace at death, then it is good. (I edited to original post to remove six species so it was not so complex or misleading.)
 
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OKComputer said:
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, other than that, every sin can be forgiven. That gives me hope, because I’m very good at sinning and need forgiveness. It makes me angry, because people like Hitler should be beyond the scope of forgiveness.
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You should have righteous anger towards injustice. And at the same time holding out hope that God will give the late-comers a full days wage. The two are not incompatible.
 
Suicide is looked at with the real possibility of reduced culpability due to extreme circumstances and duress that people may be under.
 
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Which i believe means refusing to repent and accept the chance to be saved. Hardness of heart. I certainly hate what Hitler did but I don’t think the church has ever come out and declared him to be in hell. God’s mercy is infinite. So who knows.

God bless
 
Is not pride the cause of blasphemy against the holy spirit or perhaps synonymous with it? Pride is the worst of the deadly sins. The pride of refusing to repent, refusing to acknowledge God as the supreme good.
 
goout said:
You should have righteous anger towards injustice. And at the same time holding out hope that God will give the late-comers a full days wage. The two are not incompatible.
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Oh I understand where you are coming from totally. It’s an “OKComputer” problem.
 
Polak said:
Actually you may have just pointed out the one unforgivable sin. Suicide
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Don’t say that. Suicide is not unforgivable. Remember mortal sin needs full consent and mental illness takes that away
 
Mental illness *can lessen it or take it away. But not everyone who commits suicide is mentally ill to the point of forgiveness.
 
Yes not everyone but certainly most. No one can say suicide is unforgivable
 
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