Are These Actions Sinful?

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Say if you really wanted something and spent a considerable time browsing the internet, catalogs etc have you sinned?

I think you would of sinned because you wold be too ardently seeking things of this world rather than things of the next. So if you brought this sin to confession how would you number it?
  • The number of items you wanted
  • The time you spent looking for them (what if you don’t know?)
  • Or some other way?
Another question: When numbering our sins can we uses phrases instead of numbers. For example: a bit, often, frequently. I recall once confessing I had been** a bit** short tempered. Is this ok?

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FAH
 
Do what you can to faithfully and fully confess your sins to the best of your ability. I have trouble remembering what day of the month it is most of the time let alone counting all of my sins, so yes I definitely use words like “a bit, often, or frequently”.

In terms of your first question about spending lots of time cruising the inter webs or looking at catalogs I would simply just ask your priest about it next time your in confession and be honest in answering his questions about it. These worldly things are not bad in and of themselves, but a priest could help see if you are abusing them. It definitely can’t hurt you to continue to strive to pull yourself away from these kinds of things and put more focus in your life on Christ and serving him. If we follow the lives of the Saints we see that in striving to rid ourselves of everything that keeps us from loving Christ to the best of our ability and hopefully while remaining open to the grace God gives us to help us do it, we become closer to God while here on Earth and are able to love him in a way that is closer to the perfect love he is able to show us.
 
Say if you really wanted something and spent a considerable time browsing the internet, catalogs etc have you sinned?

I think you would of sinned because you wold be too ardently seeking things of this world rather than things of the next. So if you brought this sin to confession how would you number it?
  • The number of items you wanted
  • The time you spent looking for them (what if you don’t know?)
  • Or some other way?
If browsing the internet for these items has caused you to miss the obligations you have towards yourself or towards others then yes it is sinful. However searching a good deal of time for something you wanted is not sinful as long as your not neglecting things that need to be done.
Another question: When numbering our sins can we uses phrases instead of numbers. For example: a bit, often, frequently. I recall once confessing I had been** a bit** short tempered. Is this ok?

Many thanks
FAH
When confessing sins it’s always good to put the quantity. Saying things like: A bit, often, and frequently, doesn’t give the priest an accurate idea of your situation especially since all of these things can mean different things to different people. Quantity represented by numbers means the same thing to everyone and this can help your confessor gage where you need to focus your attention. It will also help the confessor in the future because he will be able to see if the steps you’re taking to resolve your issues is helping or not helping (or if your taking those steps at all).
 
Internet addiction is probably sin. Limit your time and do it after you’ve finished your other obligations.

~Lily
 
YOU WROTE: “Say if you really wanted something and spent a considerable time browsing the internet, catalogs etc have you sinned?”

Not in any way. There is absolutely nothing in all official Catholic teaching prohibiting “really want(ing) something,” or spending a lot of time on the Internet. This is a ridiculous worry.

YOU WROTE: “I think you would of sinned because you would be too ardently seeking things of this world rather than things of the next.”

This is NOT how “seeking things of this world” is understood by the Church. The Church simply teaches that we are not to REPLACE our worship of God with the things of this world.

You could be wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice, having money to burn, and love luxury (who doesn’t?) and not be “sinning” at all. All the Church requires is that we recall that all our wealth comes from God. What, exactly, is difficult about this? Just remember God. That is all. I hear this mentioned so often in Church I would think that it would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to forget that our wealth comes from God. Any other viewpoint is a distortion of this simple teaching, and is wrong.

YOU WROTE: “So if you brought this sin to confession how would you number it?
  • The number of items you wanted
  • The time you spent looking for them (what if you don’t know?)
  • Or some other way?”
This is not a sin. You are not to bring this to confession. Such a thing verges on scrupulosity, the action of a disordered conscience. The priest will probably just be annoyed by this.

“Owning things” is not a sin. God has placed no limits on what we can own or buy. He has placed no limits on how you spend your money. If you are looking for such a limit, you will never find it. There is no “highest amount of possessions” listed anywhere in the Bible, nor in all Catholic Doctrine. There is no statement reading “if I own, say, a cruise liner, or a luxury car, I have sinned.” Such a thing would be ridiculous.

We can spend however we want. We can purchase whatever we like. Pope Leo XIII actually wrote an encyclical about this, called “Rerum Novarum.” Here, every person’s right to own and accumulate private property and wealth, and to dispose of it however we like, is outlined to an exhaustive degree. The Pope even goes so far as to describe our right to own property and to spend our money as we like as being “sacred.” I am absolutely astonished how few Catholics have read, or have even HEARD, of “Rerum Novarum.”

The full text can be read on the Vatican website, here:

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

I cannot understand why Catholics often worry about “owning too much,” or “being too rich.” We are not taught to regard such things as sinful by our faith. Such concerns are absolutely bizarre, and a complete waste of time. No progress can be made by thinking about them. They will simply make you miserable for nothing.

YOU WROTE: “Another question: When numbering our sins can we uses phrases instead of numbers. For example: a bit, often, frequently. I recall once confessing I had been a bit short tempered. Is this ok?”

Being “a bit short tempered” is NOT a mortal sin. A mortal sin has to be about a genuinely GRAVE MATTER, like killing someone, or destroying someone’s reputation. If it is not a “grave matter,” then it is not a mortal sin. Simple as that. Confess it if you like, but DO NOT worry about it.

Obsessing over such tiny details as the words to describe a very minor sin (perhaps not a sin at all) is a sign of a conscience that has been badly informed about official Catholic teaching. Worrying overmuch about tiny things that are NOT mortal sins, as if they WERE mortal sins, is strongly discouraged by confessors. The application of correct theology should solve such worries. Thankfully, the associated unease usually disappears when the person who is worried receives accurate information about Roman Catholic teaching.

My only question would be, where did you obtain such a gross misunderstanding about Church doctrine? This is very worrying indeed. It concerns me to see Catholics uneasy because of a bad understanding of what their own Church teaches. Such things usually cause needless guilt and fear for absolutely nothing.

If such fears persist, you might want to check out a website run by the Redemptorist Order, called “Scrupulous Anonymous.” It is specifically designed to help Catholics suffering from needless worries about their salvation. The information there is accurate and precise. Go here is this is an issue for you.

mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupanon.htm
 
Say if you really wanted something and spent a considerable time browsing the internet, catalogs etc have you sinned?

I think you would of sinned because you wold be too ardently seeking things of this world rather than things of the next. So if you brought this sin to confession how would you number it?FAH
there is no sin in shopping on the internet, by mail order or any other way
if you think there is a sin, you need to talk to the priest for help in dealing with scrupulosity (seeing a sin where none exists).
 
My only question would be, where did you obtain such a gross misunderstanding about Church doctrine? .
I thoroughly examine my conscience. If you follow this link to an examination of conscience and scroll down to the seventh and tenth commandments it says on no 17
Is my heart set on earthly possessions or on the true treasures of Heaven?
And again on this examination of conscience clicking on the seventh and tenth commandment section it says
Have I made acquiring material possessions the focus of my life?
I know it’s not a sin to want something but when you start spending excessive amounts of time looking at the things you desire to possess you focus shifts of Godly things and onto passing earthly things.
 
YOU WROTE: “I know it’s not a sin to want something but when you start spending excessive amounts of time looking at the things you desire to possess you focus shifts of Godly things and onto passing earthly things.”

If you are obsessively focused on merely possessing things, and lusting after things, and DESIRING things to the point where this actually begins excluding God from your life and disrupting your existence, this does indeed sound truly unhealthy. It sounds almost like a Shopping Disorder. Such a thing would not sinful in itself. But it WOULD be a dangerous condition of the conscience, and anyone suffering from such a condition should seek psychological help, or, as puzzleannie said above:

“If you think there is a sin, you need to talk to the priest for help in dealing with scrupulosity (seeing a sin where none exists).”

You also mention the examination of conscience: “Have I made acquiring material possessions the focus of my life?”

Very, very few people make “acquiring material possessions” the focus of their lives. Most rich people really don’t care very much about “material possessions,” because when one has everything one wants, most of it doesn’t really seem all that special anymore. Having plenty of material possessions is not a sin. Believing that it is will cause you unbelievable problems, and should be discussed with a priest.

Also, I do understand how the “Examination of Conscience” you mention is giving you trouble. I am remarkably disappointed by how many “Examinations of Conscience” are organized. Often, things that are not mortal sins are placed right next to things that ARE mortal sins, giving the impression that EVERYTHING listed qualifies as a mortal sin, even though that is not the case. Plenty of Catholics on Catholic Answers have complained about how many “Examinations of Conscience” are organized in this way. Such “Examinations” often end up making people nervous about sin for absolutely nothing.

For example, here are several other things that regularly appear on “Examinations of Conscience” that are NOT mortal sins:

“Did I give time to God each day in prayer?”

(This one causes a lot of stress for Catholics. Many think prayer requires words and effort, a forceful “turning of the heart towards God.” But the Church teaches that we can pray silently, without words, or even without effort. There is an excellent article on this at the Scrupulous Anonymous website, which can be read here (called The Gift of Silence. You have to scroll down to find it.) mission.liguori.org/newsletters/pdf_archive/SA_0111.pdf

“Did I doubt that God exists?”

(Everyone has doubts about God’s existence. Faith is God would not be POSSIBLE
without doubt. This is not a sin.)

“Did I do work on Sunday that was not necessary?”

(Working on Sunday is NOT forbidden. The Church does not teach this. Working to support yourself on Sunday is NOT a sin, if your job requires it. And plenty of leisure activities that require work (such as going to the rodeo, going to a movie, washing your car, etc.) are not sinful either. There is an excellent article about this on the Scrupulous Anonymous website, here:) mission.liguori.org/newsletters/pdf_archive/sa070101.pdf

“Did I lie?”

(Unless the lie is about a Grave Matter (to deliberately destroy someone’s reputation, or to kill someone, for example), it is not a mortal sin. Children lie all the time. It’s not a mortal sin. Grow-ups often lie (“oh, I like your hat”). It’s not mortally sinful in any way. Unless it is truly serious and harmful, lying is often very trivial. There is usually no sin here at all.)
  • This is just a sampling of some of the things that often appear on “Examinations of Conscience,” that are NOT mortally sinful. I mention them to illustrate the point that “acquiring material possessions” is not mortally sinful in itself. Just because something appears on an “Examination of Conscience” does not automatically make it morally sinful, as in lying. You will never find anything in all official Catholic teaching that says that having or wanting plenty of possessions is a sin. The only sin would be to deliberately make the acquisition of possessions and material goods the ENTIRE focus of your life – something that very, very few committed Catholics ever do. Very few people in general ever do this, even in the secular world. There is a show about this, called “Hoarders,” about people who CAN’T STOP acquiring material possessions - even when it endangers their health and hygiene.
If you feel you are entirely shifting your focus from God to material things, you should talk to a priest, and, likely, to a psychologist. But as for enjoying buying and acquiring material possessions, there is no sin in this. You should forget this worry. It is not from God, and will not help you in any way.
 
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