Are these God's words too???

[inJESUS]

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Gha’it in S. 4:43 is translated as “the call of nature”. This is what it means, but the literal translation ought to be "sh*t".

 

[KarenNC]

As a Catholic Christian I believe that every word in Sacred Scripture uttered by the Spirit is the inerrant word of God.It is easy to see that every word in Sacred Scripture is not uttered by the Sprit.

Interesting. I had not heard that particular take on inerrancy before. It certainly stands up better than taking every single word as inerrant.

 

[KarenNC]

Hi KarenNC

Good job.

You failed to mention in your exhaustive list what is actually written in the Hebrew. I looked into my Hebrew-English interlinear and it is translated in Isaiah 36:12 …and to drink the WATER of their feet with you? And 2Kings18:27 is a repeat of Isaiah
JeanneH

Thanks. Not an exhaustive one by any means, there are many more translations of the Bible in various forms . Bible Gateway is handy for me as I reference it frequently for discussions.

Since I don’t read Hebrew, the best I could do quickly was to go to the online Tanakh, the Jewish Bible, to see how Jews translated it. The online version is the 1917 translation. I finally had a chance to look for our printed Tanakh, done in 1985, and it uses dung and urine.

 

[b_justb]

Interesting. I had not heard that particular take on inerrancy before. It certainly stands up better than taking every single word as inerrant.

I took a Vatican II Documents class and the teacher was an old ThD that was at the Vatican during Vatican II and as a lay theologian worked on several of the documents promulgated by the council. When we got to Dei Verbum we spent about 3 hours on the quote below.

Dogmatic Constitution On Divine Revelation
Dei Verbum

Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For Sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit, while sacred tradition takes the word of God entrusted by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, and hands it on to their successors in its full purity, so that led by the light of the Spirit of truth, they may in proclaiming it preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known. Consequently it is not from Sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence. (DV 9 emphasis added)

 

[exoflare]

I hope this troll keeps posting here, actually. It only illustrates all along what I’ve been saying about the Muslim frame of mind.

 

[palmas85]

Every word in the Bible is not the literal word of God. The Bible was not dictated by God to the writers. The writers were inspired by God, but the words used by and large are the words of men.

 

[inJESUS]

Every word in the Bible is not the literal word of God. The Bible was not dictated by God to the writers. The writers were inspired by God, but the words used by and large are the words of men.

Muslims seem unable to grasp that the Bible, OT and NT is not dictated by God via angels, that’s why they project their understanding of the Quran on the Holy Bible.

 

[FightingFat]

Muslims seem unable to grasp that the Bible, OT and NT is not dictated by God via angels, that’s why they project their understanding of the Quran on the Holy Bible.

Good point inJESUS! I think this is important. Islam is intricately interwoven with the language of the Qur’an, the two things are indivisable, and the divine nature of the Qur’an is an essential part of their beliefs.