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15-October-2008 – Catholic News Agency

New Down Syndrome Test Could Increase “Eugenic” Abortions
CNA STAFF, Oct 15, 2008 (CNA).- Pro-life advocates have warned that a new non-invasive pre-natal test for Down syndrome could increase ‘eugenic’ abortions. The new test, which checks a baby’s DNA, has been developed by researcher Dr. Stephen Quake and his team at Stanford University.

Studies in the United States and the United Kingdom have claimed that as many as 9 in 10 unborn children diagnosed with Down syndrome are aborted.

Carol Boys, chief executive of the Down’s Syndrome Association in Great Britain, recently told the BBC that the less invasive blood test will make pre-natal testing safer and more common.

“There is no question that these non-invasive tests will be introduced in the next few years,” she said. “It’s therefore incredibly important that potential parents are given accurate information on Down’s syndrome before they make a choice about whether to terminate or not.”

Allison Davis, a member of the No Less Human group associated with the British Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, argued that the new test was not a positive development.

“The new non-invasive test for Down’s syndrome will inevitably mean more pre-natal testing, leading to more abortions of babies with the condition. Describing this as a ‘breakthrough’ is offensive to people who live with Down’s syndrome, and to all who recognize the equal right to life of disabled people,” she said to LifeSiteNews.com.

All pregnant women who seek pre-natal care with an obstetrician are offered screenings that can estimate the risk they are carrying a baby with Down syndrome, Cybercast News Service says. Blood tests search for “markers” associated with the genetic condition, in which a third copy of the 21st chromosome causes mild to severe mental retardation and distinct physical characteristics such as low muscle tone and upward slanting eyes.

Uncertainty about the effectiveness of such tests was found in a Norwegian study conducted by the Norwegian National Center for Fetal Medicine and released in August of 2008. The researchers found that prenatal testing was highly inaccurate, estimating the prenatal detection rate at only 43 percent.

Another study published in 2006 in the journal Nature found that prenatal screening may have incorrectly diagnosed genetic variations as defects, possibly leading to selective abortion based on inaccurate reports of genetic abnormality.

In January 2007 ACOG endorsed increased prenatal screening for all women, prompting Dr. Will Johnston, president of Canadian Physicians for Life, to argue the move is another step towards eugenics.

“The progress of eugenic abortion into the heart of our society is a classic example of ‘mission creep,’” Johnson said in an article posted on the group’s Web site in February 2007, Cybercast News Service reports.

“In the 1960s, we were told that legal abortion would be a rare tragic act in cases of exceptional hardship. In the ‘70s abortion began to be both decried and accepted as birth control. In the ‘80s respected geneticists pointed out that it was cheaper to hunt for and abort Down’s babies than to raise them. By the ‘90s that observation had been widely put into action. Now we are refining and extending our eugenic vision, with new tests and abortion as our central tools.”

Surveys of primary care physicians indicate that very few doctors encourage women whose unborn babies are diagnosed with Down syndrome to continue their pregnancies.
 
I have dwarfism, they kill an estimated 90% of dwarf babies before birth already.
 
I think the time is here. Prior to the legalization of abortion, it wasn’t uncommon to see people with Downs Syndrome in the community. Since abortion became legal, I might see someone with DS once a year, at most. If a child isn’t perfectly normal, out it goes.
 
It is scary and tragic what’s happening. I’ve also got a genetic condition, Turners Syndrome, for which doctors are encouraging abortion, and it absolutely horrified me to read this. It’s offensive, even, that abortion is brought up as if it should be some sort of option in such pregnancies. Just thinking what the doctors may have said to my mother had I been diagnosed prenatally, and the fact that I might not be here now as a result had that happened is chilling! To think of all we would have lost…

The diagnosis can be devastating, because there’s so much uncertainty. 98% of Turners pregnancies end in miscarriage due to congenital problems with the heart or other organs that can be affected. The reality is that whatever efforts might be made to give the baby every chance at life, that there are many who don’t survive. And for the parents, that’s so heart-wrenching. I’ve read comments online from parents who don’t feel they have the strength to continue on only to watch their baby die.

We need so many resources to combat all of this. Doctors need to be educated to avoid encouraging abortion and instead provide accurate information and links to vital supports for women dealing with these pregnancies. Resources from doctors, pastoral or other counselors, and social services that will help them to choose to give their babies every chance at life, cope with uncertianty, grieve, and prepare.
 
There was an article posted in this forum not too long ago about a statement from one of the UK’s premier moral ethicists regarding euthanasia.

Essentially, she said that the sick and the elderly should embrace euthanasia as their moral responsibility-

One of her rationales was that chronically ill and elderly people are a liability for society because they demand so much of the UK’s socialized medicine programs.

In the same article there was a mention of the movement in the UK toward refusing healthcare benefits for individuals who refuse to be euthanized-

I doubt that the government will ever pass a law requiring abortion or euthanasia- they’ll just refuse to pay for it…

I’m certain that as bureaucrats are forced to come to terms with the financial disaster that is Universal Healthcare, they will start trying to cut corners first by offering financial/tax incentives to families who agree to euthanize their loved ones, or abort children with disabilities.

In time, they’ll shift from this to make abortion and euthanasia the norm, and impose financial penalties or refuse further medical care to anyone who refuses.
 
It is scary and tragic what’s happening. I’ve also got a genetic condition, Turners Syndrome, for which doctors are encouraging abortion, and it absolutely horrified me to read this. It’s offensive, even, that abortion is brought up as if it should be some sort of option in such pregnancies. Just thinking what the doctors may have said to my mother had I been diagnosed prenatally, and the fact that I might not be here now as a result had that happened is chilling! To think of all we would have lost…

The diagnosis can be devastating, because there’s so much uncertainty. 98% of Turners pregnancies end in miscarriage due to congenital problems with the heart or other organs that can be affected. The reality is that whatever efforts might be made to give the baby every chance at life, that there are many who don’t survive. And for the parents, that’s so heart-wrenching. I’ve read comments online from parents who don’t feel they have the strength to continue on only to watch their baby die.

We need so many resources to combat all of this. Doctors need to be educated to avoid encouraging abortion and instead provide accurate information and links to vital supports for women dealing with these pregnancies. Resources from doctors, pastoral or other counselors, and social services that will help them to choose to give their babies every chance at life, cope with uncertianty, grieve, and prepare.
Thank you for your post, Lizziebel.

My goddaughter, Antoinette Marie, died prenatally due to Turners and its complications. Her parents, dear friends of mine, would have done anything if they could have brought her to term, even though her mother was having medical problems herself at the time.

They were not going to abort her even though the doctors said she wouldn’t live more than a few more days and if she died inside she would poison her mother. As it happened, Toni Marie was born at approximately 6 months gestations, and just in case there still remained a spark of life was immediately baptized by the hospital chaplain.

If Antoinette had lived, I wouldn’t have loved her any less because of Turners.

Over the years, I’ve thought of her… how she would have looked on a bike or roller skates, etc. She would have become a teenager this year.

Although she is still greatly missed, there is peace because it was God’s hand who took her home, and not the hand of an abortionist.
 
Although she is still greatly missed, there is peace because it was God’s hand who took her home, and not the hand of an abortionist.
Amen. God bless them all.
In the same article there was a mention of the movement in the UK toward refusing healthcare benefits for individuals who refuse to be euthanized-
Already happening in Oregon and Canada. Oregon is up-front about it, refusing to pay for palliative care for terminal cancer patients, but paying for their assisted “suicide.” :mad: Canada’s a little more subtle. Got three months to live? You’ll be on a 9-month waiting list for care… I’m sure the UK will be able to imitate that one without offending their consciences too much. 😦

Vote NO for assisted suicide, and NO for socialized medicine, unless you want this to happen to you or your loved ones.

Scared,

Ruthie
 
sadly this is not shocking to me. not even a little, its what doctors are taught, i would know. in pathology probably for 60-75% of conditions that are diagnosed prenatally we’re told we should reccomend abortion.

ive argued it up to a department chair that killing defeats the purpose of healing people. it doesnt matter. ive decided my best bet is to convince other students. then when we’re alumni withhold donations to the school until the cirriclum changes. money is the best way to get what you want in academia.
 
aggie,

Thanks for your post. Out of curiosity, what were the conditions that babies had when the doctors recommended aborting them?
 
dot,

gosh, that was a while back and i really didnt pay attention because i knew it wouldnt be on the test and that i wasnt going to ever give that recomendation.

actually the only conditions i can remember them not saying it for neonatally was rubella, achondroplasia, and turners. pretty much everything else they said to view as a mulligan.

now i know theres more than just those that they didnt say advise to abort but right now its all i can remember. just for myself i marked all the ones in my notes that they said it for. if i can find them i’ll give you a better count.
 
Amen. God bless them all.

Already happening in Oregon and Canada. Oregon is up-front about it, refusing to pay for palliative care for terminal cancer patients, but paying for their assisted “suicide.” :mad: Canada’s a little more subtle. Got three months to live? You’ll be on a 9-month waiting list for care… I’m sure the UK will be able to imitate that one without offending their consciences too much. 😦

Vote NO for assisted suicide, and NO for socialized medicine, unless you want this to happen to you or your loved ones.

Scared,

Ruthie
I live in Oregon and I remember when this came to light earlier this year. I can confirm most everything except, Ruthie, except you got one point wrong. She was told that they would not treat her cancer but **would **pay for palliative **care as well as **assisted suicide. The policy in they follow is that if a person has less than a 5% five year survival chance, treatment will not be paid for.

By the way, none of the TV news stations in the Portland area covered this story. It was only after a very popular local radio talk show host brought this to the attention of his listeners did the outrage really begin. Days later, finally the local daily newspaper carried a story and put it on their web site. The TV news stations never covered the story that I ever saw.

And Oregon still continues to do this. But they have changed their policies. They have now decided to call assisted suicide “palliative care”.
 
Amen. God bless them all.

Already happening in Oregon and Canada. Oregon is up-front about it, refusing to pay for palliative care for terminal cancer patients, but paying for their assisted “suicide.” :mad: Canada’s a little more subtle. Got three months to live? You’ll be on a 9-month waiting list for care… I’m sure the UK will be able to imitate that one without offending their consciences too much. 😦

Vote NO for assisted suicide, and NO for socialized medicine, unless you want this to happen to you or your loved ones.

Scared,

Ruthie

Our Cardinal has come up trumps 😃 As someone with epilepsy I think I have an interest in all this 🙂 Another thing: the attempt to make assisted suicide legal is very dangerous :eek: - it would be a yet another step in the destruction of this country. :eek:

My favourite Catholic weblog has some very good links on such matters:
 
I think the time is here. Prior to the legalization of abortion, it wasn’t uncommon to see people with Downs Syndrome in the community. Since abortion became legal, I might see someone with DS once a year, at most. If a child isn’t perfectly normal, out it goes.
People find Down Syndrome babies to be gross, a burden, etc. You guys are right, it is sick. 😦

I know plenty of people with Down Syndrome and they are wonderful people. I know plenty of people who are mentally retarded and they deserve life just as much as I do.

God bless!
 
Being a proud parent of a beautiful daughter with Down Syndrome, I can assure you that every child born with DS is perfect, just the way God intended them to be.

Now, let me share some disturbing information. When a women is pregnant, she typically has a test called the Alpha Fetal Protein test, or the AFP test. This test is to determine if she is at risk for carrying a child with either DS, or Spinal Bifida. According to the Genetic Counselor my wife and I worked with, about 80% of women who have an AFP test come back showing they “might” be carrying a child with DS choose to abort.

The AFP test has a false positive rating of anywhere from 25% to 60% depending on who you talk to. Now some may argue that this new tesing will reduce the amount of so called “normal” children being aborted based off a faulty AFP test, but unfortunately it shows just where our society is headed. It does nothing but promote genetic selection. I seem to recall a certain German Dictator who also promoted Genetic Selection.

Interestingly, in Germany, it was at one time illegal to keep a child with any sort of Mental Retardation in your home. They were typically taken away and placed in some home, or as some have suggested, they were taken away only to be used for medical experiments. In fact, Pope Benedict had a cousin with DS, whom was taken from the family, never to be seen again.

Someone mentioned assisted suicide. This is another form of culling or thinning the herd, and ridding our society of useless people. I recently heard a play by play story of just how one particular assisted suicide went. It was horrifying. The person wanting to die, is coached t o drink a concoction of drugs that will ultimately kill them. They are told not to drink it too fast, or they will throw up and the process will have to start all over agian. They are told not to dring it too slow, or they will simply fall asleep and when they wake up, the process will have to start all over again. It’s just another sad story of what we have become .

We must keep in mind that the state of Washington will be voting to legalize assisted suicide in next weeks election. Pray that it fails. Otherwise, I would highly suggest that everyone start exercising and watching their diets, before the health police come knocking on your door to tell you you aren’t healthy enough to contribute to society anymore.

God help us…
 
**There was an article posted in this forum not too long ago about a statement from one of the UK’s premier moral ethicists regarding euthanasia.

Essentially, she said that the sick and the elderly should embrace euthanasia as their moral responsibility- **

She herself is 84 years old and appears to be in no hurry to follow her own advice.
 
Dear RichT -

Thanks for your post. As I have mentioned on another post, I am a beloved daughter, sister, aunt and wife. I was born with spina bifida. I often wonder whether those who advocate aborting the disabled would like to argue their case with my family or my spouse. I wonder if abortion supporters would like to try to convince those who love me they’d be better off had I never been born.

Abortion supporters make a terribly wrong assumption that those of us with disabilities will have no quality of life. If they only knew how wrong they are!
 
**There was an article posted in this forum not too long ago about a statement from one of the UK’s premier moral ethicists regarding euthanasia.

Essentially, she said that the sick and the elderly should embrace euthanasia as their moral responsibility- **

She herself is 84 years old and appears to be in no hurry to follow her own advice.
And … we are progressing … right ? We are moving forward ?

How can anyone say ( and believe ) that is the case ? … so sad, so very sad. As Pope Benedict and others have said … relativism… Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death Amen.
 
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