Are we all TOO TOLERANT of others?

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Should we be less tolerant?

Examples:
  • There is a TV show called RAD GIRLS that just started. It recently showed a girl wearing a “meat bikini” and she encouraged a dog to lick the bikini.
  • A young man in my neighborhood had a car with “Gettin It” painted on the window glass. . . to imply he was having sex with girls.
  • I saw a motorcyclist wearing a T-shirt that said: “If you can read this, the ***** fell off”
  • I commonly see bumper stickers that say: “My Kid BEAT UP Your Honor Student” and also “If you don’t like my driving, dial 1-800-Eat-*****”
  • TV advertises commercials for GIRLS GONE WILD videos.
  • Newspapers carry advertisements for strip clubs.
    Seems to me we have gotten to the point in society where anything goes. It is not that the laws have changed to allow this, it is that society simply allows it. And we wonder why our children use swear words, or why they “grind dance” at school. What the heck are we doing to ourselves by allowing all this stuff?🤷
All I can say is that for me, I talked to the father of the boy in my neighborhood with the “Gettin It” painted on his car. I asked if he had a daughter . . . I then asked if she would have “Puttin Out” painted on her car.

Funny thing happened, a few days later I saw the boy’s car and someone had scraped “Gettin It” off the glass!

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I remember when I was younger, in the 80’s, I never heard a swear word on TV or the radio. Now so many “bad” words are said on TV and radio. Maybe my parents just censored me? When i see films in the 50’s & 60’s they were so classy and put together so nicely and some of those films are better than today’s. The use of good language is important for the young to learn.
 
I feel just the same way you do. I’m tired of being exposed to all of this stuff. Even worse, I don’t want my children exposed to it. My 8 year old son was on the computer yesterday with MY supervision looking up something for children. I have a program on my computer that won’t let any innapropriate websites come up on the screen. Unfortunately it must not count for pop-ups, because an advertisement came up for screen savers, one of them being a half naked woman. Let me just say they were breast implants and you could see them and her behind all at once. Well, they had her nipples covered, but that’s about it!:eek: I even had the pop up blocker on. I don’t understand what happened.

Not to get off topic, but I was just responding to a thread in the social justice forum and someone there thinks that we are too focused on these things and should be more worried about the poor starving people in other countries. Not that we shouldn’t also do all we can for these people and do have an obligation to them as well, but these are the things that we are dealing with right now and this country is going down hill fast! These things need to be our immediate concerns because they affect our future. If we don’t raise decent human beings, there will be no future for them OR the starving poor people in other countries, cause our kids aren’t going to care! I am worried about my children:(
 
And what I find ironic about this is that Hollywood wants to make it rated R for a movie that has a character smoking. What in the world? It’s ok for all the sex, for all the homosexuality, all the orgy inuendo’s if not directly shown, all the cursing, racial slurs (of course only coming from one group), certainly all the anti-Catholicism… but hey! Let’s put high restrictions on anything that shows smoking in a good light or it’s “cool”. :rolleyes: (Don’t get me wrong, I think smoking is not healthy, but come on, so is being obese but that’s not being restricted in movies…)

But yes… we are too tolerant. I don’t allow my kids to watch much of anything anymore. Even the kids cartoons have sexual innuendos or at the very minimum bad behavior of the children’s characters (Caillou’s incessant whining, anyone?).

I’m still floored at this commercial for gum. It shows a girl seeing a guy that she’s physically interested in, she pops a piece of this gum in her mouth and goes over and forcefully kisses him this big open mouthed kiss. Then looks at his girlfriend and the women give each other this look of “I can do you too” with huge smiles on their faces. Um… this is a commercial for GUM, yet sex sells.
 
melensdad said:
Should we be less tolerant?

Examples:
  • There is a TV show called RAD GIRLS that just started. It recently showed a girl wearing a “meat bikini” and she encouraged a dog to lick the bikini.
  • A young man in my neighborhood had a car with “Gettin It” painted on the window glass. . . to imply he was having sex with girls.
  • I saw a motorcyclist wearing a T-shirt that said: “If you can read this, the ***** fell off”
  • I commonly see bumper stickers that say: “My Kid BEAT UP Your Honor Student” and also “If you don’t like my driving, dial 1-800-Eat-*****”
  • TV advertises commercials for GIRLS GONE WILD videos.
  • Newspapers carry advertisements for strip clubs.
    Seems to me we have gotten to the point in society where anything goes. It is not that the laws have changed to allow this, it is that society simply allows it. And we wonder why our children use swear words, or why they “grind dance” at school. What the heck are we doing to ourselves by allowing all this stuff?🤷
All I can say is that for me, I talked to the father of the boy in my neighborhood with the “Gettin It” painted on his car. I asked if he had a daughter . . . I then asked if she would have “Puttin Out” painted on her car.

Funny thing happened, a few days later I saw the boy’s car and someone had scraped “Gettin It” off the glass!

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I too am becoming worried about all this junk… How DO we stop “free speech”? Stupid, but free. Taste has never been a part of law. We can’t yell “fire” at a theater or “bomb” at an airport, but anyone can can promote unsafe lifestyles.

“I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.” lyric comes to mind. LIke “feel good chuches,” the masses have adopted the “if it feels good” attitude.

AND GOOD FOR YOU! :clapping: I don’t know that I’d have the guts to talk to the father like you did. I guess I need to pray more for strength.
 
My friend and I were talking about this the other morning. There was this billboard on the highway that we all use to get to the center of town. The billboard was for a shop that sells “marital aids” for lack of a better word. On this particular ad, you just saw what appeared to a man’s feet with toes pointing up and between them were what appeared to be a woman’s feet with toes pointing down. Anyway, my friend had called the store, the billboard owner, and our city counselman. Didn’t get the desired result. So, then she pulled out her PTA email distribution list and rallied the troops. City counselman started paying attention then and got the problem solved.
 
In a word…YES!

It sickens me that I have to shield my kids from so many things these days. I don’t remember it being this way 10 years ago. Why have we taken such a turn for the worse? Where did we go wrong? Society is so disgusting at times, it makes me sick.

I still have to wonder why so many thought that contraceptions would be such a great discovery. IMHO, it has become the downfall of our society.
 
luvmykids said:
If we don’t raise decent human beings, there will be no future for them OR the starving poor people in other countries, cause our kids aren’t going to care! I am worried about my children:(
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I completely agree. If we teach our children that others are simply commodities (for sexual gratification, for labor, for any sort of exploitation), then we have robbed them of a sense of justice and compassion. By desensitizing our youth to sexuality, we teach them that people are simply objects. And if the girl next door is simply an object for you to be “gettin it” (as the OP noted), then how likely is it that a starving, exploited refugee from Darfur is going to gain your sympathy and action?

If we disconnect ourselves from recognizing and respecting one another as an Image of God, we’re not going to be willing to help anyone, anywhere.
 
newbetx said:
AND GOOD FOR YOU! :clapping: I don’t know that I’d have the guts to talk to the father like you did. I guess I need to pray more for strength.
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I was having a bad day, but it worked out well 👍

One other thing I have noticed is related to where we live. Our house is located about 5 miles outside of the nearest town out in the middle of farm land. We can walk to a few neighbors, but not many. It effectively has isolated my daughter (she is now 12 years old, we moved here when she was 4 days old). There are only about 25 homes near us (within 1 mile any direction). Consequently we have to “import” friends for our daughter from town, or we have to drive her to town to play with a friend. This effectively has allowed us to be very selective. But now that she is in “middle school/Jr High” it seems she is exposed to more bad stuff . . . despite the fact that she goes to a Catholic school. We have seen that our daughter has grown up far more innocent and far better mannered than many of the kids who grew up in neighborhoods. Our daughter seems to be more mature in many goods ways, and is less mature in ‘ways of the world.’ Some of her 12 year old classmates kiss boys and “grind” dance but my daughter thinks that is gross. Living out in the country has some serious disadvantages, but over all, it seems to have more positives than negatives when it comes to raising a child.

I guess I am happy that I am not tolerant. But I have a feeling that some people think I’m a jerk. Perhaps that is a good thing 😉
 
I’ve heard this being discussed on Relevant Radio … if we constantly get bombarded with this cr**, eventually, it becomes commonplace, and we pay it no mind. Things that would have been unheard of 10-15 years ago in the media are all over the airwaves now. I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t listen to/watch a lot of secular television/radio, since it makes me ill. I’m a firm believer in free speech, but that doesn’t mean “free filth” in my opinion.
One Million Moms, and One Million Dads, in conjunction with the AFA, targets a lot of media outlets, encouraging folks like us to email/call the various CEOs of networks to let these folks know that we’re not interested in the junk they’re putting out these days. Here’s the links
onemillionmoms.com/
onemilliondads.com/
afa.net/

I at least feel like I’m making a statement with these sites
 
newbetx said:
I too am becoming worried about all this junk… How DO we stop “free speech”? Stupid, but free. Taste has never been a part of law. We can’t yell “fire” at a theater or “bomb” at an airport, but anyone can can promote unsafe lifestyles.

“I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.” lyric comes to mind. LIke “feel good chuches,” the masses have adopted the “if it feels good” attitude.

AND GOOD FOR YOU! :clapping: I don’t know that I’d have the guts to talk to the father like you did. I guess I need to pray more for strength.
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The problem with that is that it’s quite a slippery slope. If we manage to ban anything we disagree with, then where do we stop? Should we start requiring women to wear burkas as to make sure they aren’t revealing too much skin? Should we ban books with any mention of sex, violence or anything we just decide isn’t good? (and then I’m sure we need loopholes to make sure the Bible doesn’t get burned for it’s sex and violence). Furthermore, who gets to set the rules? Are we trying to enforce your personal feelings on the rest of society? Does the President decide? Congress? The Pope? Even as far as individual Catholics go, there is a wide range of what people think is acceptable. There is also a fine line between stopping truly detrimental behavior and just wanting to control the actions of your neighbors.

“Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.” – Oscar Wilde
 
I feel for what your saying. I think the problem is lack of morals and lack of identity. People today want to be different from eachother, yet they want to fit in within certain groups. When refereing to our youth, its really sad to see them go through so much turmoil and lack of self worth.
 
eponymic said:
Even as far as individual Catholics go, there is a wide range of what people think is acceptable. There is also a fine line between stopping truly detrimental behavior and just wanting to control the actions of your neighbors.
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I agree with your sentiments. This does beg the question of “who gets to decide what’s acceptable?”

However, it seems that the concept of SELF-censorship has been beaten, dismembered, and thrown to the vultures in our society. There is such a culture of immediate gratification, disposable-EVERYTHING that one wonders if the media hasn’t done exactly what your Oscar Wilde quote says- being selfish by “asking others to live as one wishes to live”.

The question is- how to foster a useful sense of self-censorship in ourselves, our families, and our community?
 
The current generation that is moving into the workplace is from a generation that was not properly disciplined by their parents for fear of being arrested by the police. WE messed ourselves up by taking discipline away from parents. Hence, all these unruly kids grew up with no sense of morals, no sense of religion (the average 20-30-something doesn’t believe in God), no sense of decency, absolutely no sense of respect and “wallah” we have the current state of the world and our “twisted/warped” media.

Rap and hip hop music has taken over which has ruined so many young minds. Along with degrading their bodies with tattoos and multiple peircings. Our world is growing sick. If you are a parent you need to do your best to steer your kids away from this mentality and mindset.

This younger generation thinks good is “bad”, and bad is “good”.
For instance I have a niece who is 25. She was raised by my sister and husband (along with 7 other siblings). She stole the family car when she was 16. My brother-in-law punished her and had words with her and slapped her when he caught her. She called the police on him and had him arrested for abuse. He’s not abusive and never was. He simpy was coming down on a child that had broken the law and house rules. Yet, our government has given her the power over him as a father. So now, she has 2 kids out of wedlock, has become a New Age hippy and no longer accepts Jesus. She says she is Hindu now and believes in reincarnation. She vehemently makes fun of Christianity and scoffs at the Church and those who “waste their time believing in Jesus”. She doesn’t believe in disciplining her kids, and her kids are really bad. So these kids of hers will grow up being taught God is a lie and they will never know discipline or respect for others. She is rasing them to do what they want, bound by no morals. This is happening everywhere and this is why things are getting worse and “everything is accepted”. I hate political correctness. I think it’s a disease. It’s not about tolerance, it’s about indifference to anyone who abides by a moral code.
 
I agree. I was with friends (and this was a while ago) talking aout the movie “Love Actually”. (I guess it was even a couple years ago) Anyway I said how annoyed I was about the filler part with the porn actors and how graphic it was and totally unnecessary to the movie. One of my closest friends laughed and called me a prude. Her brother-in-law agreed with me, though. UGH!

My kids are totally sheltered, and I like it that way.
 
Truth is not relative. Check out the bible. Check the commandments. It seems in this day and age, we have all but forgotten the commandments. let me start with the fourth. It seems that respecting parents is optional and as parents that is neglect of our resposiblities. Everyone believes the fifth is only for when blood is drawn or the person is in full view. Rarely does anyone point out all the sins attached to “You Shall Not Kill!”
-Murder, homicide, or manslaughter.
-procurement of an abortion.
-Promoting, counseling or paying for an abortion.
-Knowingly voting for someone who is proabortion.
-Willfully injuring or trying to hurt another person.
-Willfully leading another into serious sin.
-Driving dangerously or recklessly.
-Driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
-Taking or selling illegal drugs.
-Self-mutilation.
-Promotion or involvement in euthanasia.
Lets see, the sixth - Adultery
-Fornication
-Masturbation and Homosexual acts
-Using a contraceptive
-Dressing or acting in a manner intended to cause arousal in another. (Spouse excepted)
-Intentionally causing a sexual climax outside of intercourse.
-Flagrant immodesty in dress.
-Destroying the innocence of another by seducing or introducing them to immorality.
How about the seventh?
-You all get the obvious STEALING, but how about failure to fulfill work requirements. That is stealing also. Taking advantage of anyone is stealing also. Excessive waste or expense is stealing also. Someone is going to pay.
False witness
Ok, we all can’t lie. We also can’t gossip, reveal the fault of another without serious reason, or ham the reputation of another by falsities.

I have just taken appart a few of the commandments that totally get ignored. Truth is Truth. I don’t decide what is true for you or me. The truth comes from the bible not what you feel is relative at the moment. That mistake has already happened over and over again. We have an obligation to speak the truth. If you want to get to hell, do it on your own. I can’t help anyone get there unless I feel like joining them. Hungery people can make it into heaven. Cold people can make it into heaven, so do homeless, uneducated, sad, meat eaters, and mentally ill. Anyone can make it, but truth says very few do. God is loving. He is also Father. Don’t for a minute forget how fierce a Father can be when he is protecting his children. He is just.
 
armywife said:
My kids are totally sheltered, and I like it that way.
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I think there are two problems with society today:
  1. Most people are too desensitized to outrageous behaviors. This is the basis for the thread. We see so much sex and violence, that it’s just becoming more accepted, and needs to be more over the top to get the same level of attention.
  2. In response, people have a knee-jerk reaction to completely shelter and filter out anything that might be objectionable. This is taking the problem to the other extreme. I quoted [user]armywife[/user], but I’m not trying to point fingers or label her as the “bad example”. This only becomes a problem when these sheltered children have to enter the world, and cannot cope with reality, because they’ve been living in a bubble forever. It’s nice to think that your children will always be innocent and pure, but the rose-colored glasses do more harm than good.
I agree with [user]archangel63[/user] that we need more parents. Just because you’ve given birth, does not make you parents, but actually parenting your children (and having the ability to do so) will help them understand the world for what it is. There will always be aspects of the world that we do not like, or agree with. We cannot shelter children from it forever, but we must teach children how to react to it and how to deal with it.
 
In a word YES!!!
I am a huge Star Wars fan, every time I see these kinds of limits broken I remember In Episode III the line where Padme says, “So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause” We are just sitting here letting this happen to ourselves! Every time limits are breeched, they push it a little further, isn’t this the slippery slope we warned the Anglicans of when they started allowing contraceptives? (No I am not blaming Anglicans for current morality) The point is, unless we are willing to do something about it, we are just as bad in my book.
 
BlestOne said:
In a word YES!!!
I am a huge Star Wars fan, every time I see these kinds of limits broken I remember In Episode III the line where Padme says, “So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause”. . .
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So what do we do about this?

In my case, our daughter is pretty well sheltered. No kissing boys, despite the fact that some of her Catholic school friends do that (at age 12 :eek: ). No R rated movies, in fact we see most of the movies before we let her watch them unless we watch them with her. There have been several times when I have simply stopped a DVD and ended movies that were only PG or PG-13 rated films. Her friends are all going to the parish festival together, she is going with US, not with them. One of her friends has a “boyfriend” who is bringing his friends . . . the idea was all the girls/guys would go to the festival unsupervised. NOT MY KID. And she is not even objecting to our rule. She still acts like a little girl, she is not ready to kiss boys, and that is the way we want it. At least for now!

This afternoon, instead of sitting in front of the TV, we went outside and she learned how to shoot a rifle. It was just a little 22 and she has been asking for a couple years. We decided as a family that she had to wait until the summer of her 12th year. So it was a nice afternoon of daddy~daughter time. And she wants to do it again. This morning the family went to one of our little retail stores and painted the walls together, then went to lunch as a family. I asked her if she wanted some of her friends to come over this weekend and she said no, she was happy to be home with us. She’s ready a book now.

Its not my child that I don’t trust, its all the other ones out there that I don’t trust!!! And in many cases I blame their parents. We are far from perfect parents, but at least we try.
 
eponymic said:
  1. In response, people have a knee-jerk reaction to completely shelter and filter out anything that might be objectionable. This is taking the problem to the other extreme. I quoted [user]armywife[/user], but I’m not trying to point fingers or label her as the “bad example”. This only becomes a problem when these sheltered children have to enter the world, and cannot cope with reality, because they’ve been living in a bubble forever. It’s nice to think that your children will always be innocent and pure, but the rose-colored glasses do more harm than good.
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I agree with you and no offense was taken. I feel my kids are sheltered more than others, but I don’t think they are in a bubble. At this point they are so young they don’t understand that they are even being sheltered.

We just moved back to the US after being in Europe for six years. There is a lot more skin in advertising and tv, to be sure… but in general there is not this over-sexualization of the body. At the beaches women were often topless, that is normal to for my kids and they don’t understand why in the US they can’t play in their pool naked when other kids are over. Which is also quite common. I only use this example because a lot of parents would think it inappopriate, but think I’m crazy for not letting them watch tv.
 
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