Are we all TOO TOLERANT of others?

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dkoinzan said:
Someone mentioned that although they don’t care for all of H. Clinton’s ideas, they do agree with the village thing. I slept on that. That is part of the problem. I am the parent and I don’t want a village raising my child. God didn’t say you have two parents and a village to raise you. This village that I live in is out of hand.
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Well I am the one guilty of saying that, but I don’t think you understood it the way I wanted to say it. (I probably did not express my point very clearly).

My point was not that I want the village to substitute for the family, but that we all, as neighbors, should also watch the children of others in our neighborhoods. We should point out bad behavior to the parents and let them deal with their child. But if we point it out to them, and they point it out to us, then it increases the number of eyes that see our children and that pressure can counter the peer pressure the children are under.

I was more afraid of what would happen to me if my parents found out from another adult than I was of getting caught by the police. That fear kept me from doing many bad things as a young boy and so I stayed out of trouble. First, my parents would have been embarrassed by my actions; second I’d get in big trouble when I got home.

I think we need to get back to the point were we not only look out for our children, but we need to look out for others. And then on a wider scope, we can change some of these things we see in society and on TV.

Anyone see the commercials for AXE deoderant? Its aimed at teen boys. Commercial 1 shows two girls who are arguing about who is the best kisser so they agree to “make out” with the next guy who walks through the door. Commercial 2 shows a girl at the pool in a skimpy bikini asking her girlfriend to rub suntan lotion on her, only to turnaround and find a boy behind her so she smiles at him and wiggles her butt toward him. Part of being INTOLERANT of the actions locally must eventually turn into a movement to be intolerant of the “SEX SELLS” concept that is all over TV, billboards, etc.
 
I think it comes down to “where does the Village get it’s standards”

Do some secular experts who want to promote tolerance want to define how I should raise my kids?

or am I a member of a community with shared common-sense values who will look after my neighbors children as I trust they will look after my own?

Big difference. Village is a quaint term that implies community values and it is profaned by applying it to Big Brother.
 
PapaSquash said:
I think it comes down to “where does the Village get it’s standards”

Do some secular experts who want to promote tolerance want to define how I should raise my kids?

** or am I a member of a community with shared common-sense values who will look after my neighbors children as I trust they will look after my own?
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Big difference. Village is a quaint term that implies community values and it is profaned by applying it to Big Brother.
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I think you stated it well.

I clearly was NOT intending for government to get involved. I was simply trying to say what you wrote: ** . . . I a member of a community with shared common-sense values who will look after my neighbors children as I trust they will look after my own . . .
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I think it is our responsibility to do this, at least to some extent, and not just with children but we should also “look after” TV shows and write in to the networks when we object to commercials they play that use the “sex sells” theme, and we should also write in to object to the content of some of the shows that are aired on TV now, not just for the violence and sex, but also for some of the themes and messages they send to our children.
 
I don’t quite agree with the term it takes a village ither but only because I prefer to say it takes a family.
There is a different between village and family.
Village is more like community as have been spoken of as police accountaability to the authorities, teachers etc.
Family goes deeper into structer and morality comes from this.

If I depend on society to raise children look where it may all go as how can I controll society except to go to a cult which we don’t want.
I would like society to reinforce my morals and beliefs which can be done through Church flood your home with images of what you believe music, the movies you prefer play table and board games that meet your approval.

Teach the children or just by example mute the comm.

They may complain at first but watching and discussing a commercial while it on mute can be funny and show how unrealistic they are.

Television is suppose to be not real it is a fantasy world.

Just like movies but man’s nature tends to lean towards idol worship so it easily transforms a mind.

The old shows like Father knows best were reinforcing to our morals at the time, my grand kids call them the old black and white, but if you get kids to look deeper into the theme you can help them to see that not only father knows best but mother has a say too. So the Family unit is more important. IMHO Dessert
 
I read the whole thread up to this point. What’s happening in our Western society scared me into returning to the Church. It was that, and the recent Church scandals, that made me want to stand up and give witness. I’m 45, and I’ve witnessed the gradual slide of our culture down into the toilet over the past 30 years, and I used to be an active participant in this downfall. I reveled in sin and scoffed at authority, like many children of the 70’s did. But once I had children of my own, I think they awoke something in me, something that was always there, but I habitually ignored. That realization took a while too, which is why my children were already “big kids” when they were baptized.

It’s been quite a struggle for me to undo 30+ years of “indoctrination” into the “ways of the world.” Call it a conversion of heart, catechesis, or awareness of sin. Plus I also am in an active struggle to keep my children on the straight and narrow. I do not know what else I can do to change the direction our society is going. My hands are already full!

The other comment I want to make is about being “too tolerant.” I feel that our Lord’s command to “turn the other cheek” get’s twisted around by many people to mean, don’t get angry, don’t confront, be nice, etc. NO MATTER WHAT. Total pacifist. Well if some guy mouths off to me, yeah, I should not go on the warpath and turn the other cheek instead. But if someone wants to force-feed me and my family a steady diet of immoral filth, I think I may have run out of cheeks to turn.
 
Matas said:
I read the whole thread up to this point. What’s happening in our Western society scared me into returning to the Church. It was that, and the recent Church scandals, that made me want to stand up and give witness. I’m 45, and I’ve witnessed the gradual slide of our culture down into the toilet over the past 30 years, and I used to be an active participant in this downfall. I reveled in sin and scoffed at authority, like many children of the 70’s did. But once I had children of my own, I think they awoke something in me, something that was always there, but I habitually ignored. That realization took a while too, which is why my children were already “big kids” when they were baptized.

It’s been quite a struggle for me to undo 30+ years of “indoctrination” into the “ways of the world.” Call it a conversion of heart, catechesis, or awareness of sin. Plus I also am in an active struggle to keep my children on the straight and narrow. I do not know what else I can do to change the direction our society is going. My hands are already full!

The other comment I want to make is about being “too tolerant.” I feel that our Lord’s command to “turn the other cheek” get’s twisted around by many people to mean, don’t get angry, don’t confront, be nice, etc. NO MATTER WHAT. Total pacifist. Well if some guy mouths off to me, yeah, I should not go on the warpath and turn the other cheek instead. But if someone wants to force-feed me and my family a steady diet of immoral filth, I think I may have run out of cheeks to turn.
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Welcome back and am glad to hear your story and I have gotten a lot of support here and at my Church family I pray you do also.
Dessert
 
Matas said:
The other comment I want to make is about being “too tolerant.” I feel that our Lord’s command to “turn the other cheek” get’s twisted around by many people to mean, don’t get angry, don’t confront, be nice, etc. NO MATTER WHAT. Total pacifist. Well if some guy mouths off to me, yeah, I should not go on the warpath and turn the other cheek instead. But if someone wants to force-feed me and my family a steady diet of immoral filth, I think I may have run out of cheeks to turn.
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Well that steady stream of filth is what has desensitized all of us to the junk we are now seeing. Little girls now think they should be sleazy and little boys expect little girls to be sleazy. It is happening well before high school, just look at the toys they play with like the BRATZ dolls. Look at how some people dress their children, they look like “hookers” when they drop them off at school. And TV brings the world of this stuff into our homes.

When will we stand up and say NO MORE?

When will we talk to our neighbors about the behavior of their children? When will we talk to the schools about dress codes? When will we stand up to the TV networks?
 
…Tolerance is a two edged sword…class must never become crass!.I taught in a Catholic HS for some 30 years and never tolerated constant lateness from the teens…after a fair warning they would get an assignment in the library. I never tolerated cursing or bullying either…other things sure…as long as no one was hurt or bothered. In the teen creed I used to work into all my classes…one bit of advice concerned just that…“fight intolerance with knowledge!!!” Words can help or comfort or injure…we have an eraser on one end of a pencil for we all make mistakes…but to make the same one over and over is nonsense and frankly stupid. The moral scale is sooo low we had better raise the bar again or else the barbarians will again be inside the walls…Nino
 
One night I was up late watching TV (network TV, not cable!) and a Girls Gone Wild commercial came on. It was only on for a few seconds,but it was long enough to show one young college-age girl “going down on” another, with a few black out marks over her nipples (and full of moaning, groaning, etc.). I almost died! And that image was burned in my brain for what seemed like weeks… I was disgusted and felt dirty just seeing such a thing. I am not an old prude, either… I am still in my 30’s and very happily married. But I was angry that I had been assaulted in that way… it just came on regular old TV! The Bible talks about the End Times as when what is good is seen as bad and what is bad is seen as good. That time is now. I do not fixate on the “end times” thing, but I just feel that the world has turned so far from God that nothing will ever be pure or innocent again. I have 3 kids and I hate the legacy that the culture has for them. I try very hard to shelter them from this stuff, and I am very strict with them in other ways. I guess what’s left is to pray, pray, pray for the conversion of the world!
 
We are called to be Saints. Were Saints all pacifists? No! Were they sweet little fluffy yes men? No!!! Saints are Warriors! They weren’t liked. So much so that some of them were killed for speaking the truth. They will know we are Christians by our love. We must love as Jesus loves. He loves so much that he gave you the truth and was willing to die for it.
 
The media has slowly poisoned the Body of Christ over the last 30 years. It was so gradual that people did not realize that they were slowly dying spiritually. First, everyone was asked to “tolerate” a little, then a little more and then a little more. At the same time, Catholics were made to feel guilty. “Keep your beliefs off my body” is a pro-abortion slogan.

The Bible is very black and white. The Church is also very black and white. The Commandments are quite clear. We responded to the cries of “have pity on me” because I need an abortion or divorce, and as a last resort. Now it’s no-fault divorce and abortion on demand.

Most of the hot button issues of today revolve around human sexuality: abortion, embryonic stem cell research, divorce, living together and having sex before marriage, gay marriage. By putting sex first, or the cart before the horse, things haven’t turned out that well, have they? By putting God’s word first, as American Catholics once did, things worked out much better.

Example: I met a young attractive woman in her early 30s. She was divorced and she told me what happened: “I had to kick my husband out because he was a nut.” How long were they married? 9 months. Have sex first and ask questions later I suppose.

We are called to be holy. I think we can all see how everthing goes when we turn away from what the Bible teaches. It’s important that we live as Catholics all 7 days of the week. I suggest listening to Catholic radio, picking up a Catholic newspaper or magazine. Reading about the lives of the saints.

God bless,
Ed
 
With all the anger in the world…violence…crime increase…etc…I’m not so sure if we are truly tolerant, or just pretending to be. 🤷
 
edwest2 said:
The media has slowly poisoned the Body of Christ over the last 30 years. It was so gradual that people did not realize that they were slowly dying spiritually. First, everyone was asked to “tolerate” a little, then a little more and then a little more. At the same time, Catholics were made to feel guilty. “Keep your beliefs off my body” is a pro-abortion slogan. . .
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Ed, I think you really hit the nail on the head with your post. We have been slowly enduring small increments of this for decades and each year they slowing push farther and farther beyond what is sensible and reasonable. All the time they do this, we are the ones who are NOT TOLERANT enough?

Yesterday my daughter was sick and was watching the ABC Family channel (cable TV) so I sat with her to watch the TV show called Kyle XY. During the show they showed a friendly conversation between teen agers, with the mom clearly in the scene, and one boy turned to the other and asked if he was “ready to get his a . . kicked” and was referring to playing a video game with him. I almost fell out of my chair.

Again, this is on the “ABC Family” channel? The channel that is supposed to be “family friendly.”
 
edwest2 said:
We are called to be holy. I think we can all see how everthing goes when we turn away from what the Bible teaches. It’s important that we live as Catholics all 7 days of the week. I suggest listening to Catholic radio, picking up a Catholic newspaper or magazine. Reading about the lives of the saints.

God bless,
Ed
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Excellent advice! When we read about Saints, even in previous centuries, we see that they faced many of the same things we do today–just not with electronic media! But they (and many others around them that we docon’t know as much about) managed to rise above the popular culture. Yes, it is hard, and yes they were often ridiculed (and worse), but they kept their eyes on the true goal–HEAVEN.

Do I want to spend my lifetime here ( and really only part of it, because babies aren’t cool and old people are a drag) being hip–or do I want to spend ETERNITY with God in heaven at the celestial banquet?!
 
I beleive as christians we must repect the dignity of others. But when people instead go against the teachings of the church we do not nessecarily have to tolerate them.
How can a catholic tolerate homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, samesexmarriage, war, murder and so forth.
If we stay silent, this means we are for those who go against the teachings of the church.
 
As Catholic, we need to be willing to risk EVERYTHING for God’s Kingdom. What a horrendously difficult age we live in, and yet there is wonderful news! There are torrents and torrents of graces, coming down from heaven in sheets for anyone who is willing to follow Christ at this juncture. We WILL be despised because Christ was/is despised. It is the mark of the angels which will preserve us on the Day of Judgment, and that mark is suffering for righteousness sake.

Let’s face it, as mere humans, we’re going to lose this battle with secularization. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that, within another generation or two, reciting the Nicene Creed will be a hate crime. We will lose jobs. We will lose loved ones. We will be outcasts. But united with the suffering of Christ, we will be as angels walking among the dead! We have reason to rejoice in that the Good Shepherd will never abandon His sheep. He will comfort and strengthen us during this dreadful age of evil, as we store up treasure in heaven and hopefully win graces for the salvation of tepid souls.
 
within another generation or two, reciting the Nicene Creed will be a hate crime. We will lose jobs. We will lose loved ones. We will be outcasts. But united with the suffering of Christ, we will be as angels walking among the dead! We have reason to rejoice in that the Good Shepherd will never abandon His sheep. He will comfort and strengthen us during this dreadful age of evil, as we store up treasure in heaven and hopefully win graces for the salvation of tepid souls.

I’m ready!
 
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