Are we alone in the universe?

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Well, here’s a thought.

Let’s suppose that billions of planets throughout our galaxy are capable of supporting life.

Let’s suppose too that many of those billions support intelligent life.

But who is to say we are not the most intelligent of all those billions?

In which case, we are still alone, and will be alone for ages to come … perhaps forever?
 
Charlemagne_III said:
Well, here’s a thought.

Let’s suppose that billions of planets throughout our galaxy are capable of supporting life.

Let’s suppose too that many of those billions support intelligent life.

But who is to say we are not the most intelligent of all those billions?

In which case, we are still alone, and will be alone for ages to come … perhaps forever?
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I dont think intelligence is that important. Jesus is human and through his humanity all believers humans make an awesome family. There is no place for aliens in this family because they cant share Jesus humanity. And humanity is only on Earth acording with the bible.
 
Charlemagne_III said:
Well, here’s a thought.

Let’s suppose that billions of planets throughout our galaxy are capable of supporting life.

Let’s suppose too that many of those billions support intelligent life.

But who is to say we are not the most intelligent of all those billions?
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We only just came out of the trees, Charles. If there were billions of civilisations, and we were the most intelligent, then the next least intelligent would be the equivalent of us yesterday. The one before that, the same as us on Sunday etc. etc.

We only had powered flight a few generations ago. We still can’t cure common illnesses. We still burn coal to keep warm. If the world was equivalent to the whole solar system, we have only just stepped outside to get the mail.

If there was one single other civilsation, the chances of them being anywhere as backward as us are too small to contemplate. If they visit us, you’ll have more miracles than you can poke a stick at.

Imagine putting Aristotle in a modern jet and you aren’t anywhere near understanding the difference.

There is barely two percent difference between us and our closest relatives. If there was just a two percent difference between us and an alien species, it would be like you explaining quantum physics to a chimp.
 
Ion said:
There is no place for aliens in this family because they cant share Jesus humanity. And humanity is only on Earth acording with the bible.
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But the bible was meant for humans, meant for earth, so of course it would not go into details about any of Gods other creations, that is not its purpose anyway, the bible was never intended to be a history book or a book of ALL knowledge, it is just part of a much larger puzzle.

Keep in mind too, before we came around, God created the dinosaurs, they were around alot longer than mankind probably will be, so what was their purpose, how did they give glory to God? They were not even close to being created in the ‘image of God’, this alone proves God can create other things, that do not necessarily have to be created in his image.
 
Wesrock said:
I’m not sure we’re in disagreement, and I’m not putting any hurdles on them. Take all the hurdles away. Make the tech of Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dune look as primitive as a stone hand axe. All I’m saying is that the universe is so huge that a million year old intergalactic civilization without technological hurdles and capable of teleporting to any point in space could exist and still, because the universe is so big, never bump into another intelligent species, even if there were millions across the galaxy.

I’m only trying to comment on the scale of the observable universe.
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I do agree, the universe is BIG, and for some reason, the region we live in, appears to be ‘rural’, but at the same time, I have a feeling there are more ‘metro’ regions somewhere out there too, places where planets/ civilizations are aware of their neighbors.

For all we know, there could be multi planet, multi system councils, they could have trade set up with other systems, etc etc etc. Even if mankind was made aware of these things, we are just not advanced enough to join the club yet.

As far as I can tell, none of this would contradict the bible or God in anyway, Im sure God has some type of relationship with every civilization he creates, it may be similar to ours, it may not be, The only thing I think could be a sticking point is the second coming, according to the bible, this is only going to effect earth and inhabitants of earth (humans), but what happens if Jesus does not come back for another 10K years and humans are spread out all over the universe? How would this effect other regions, if at all?
 
Bradski said:
We only just came out of the trees, Charles. If there were billions of civilisations, and we were the most intelligent, then the next least intelligent would be the equivalent of us yesterday. The one before that, the same as us on Sunday etc. etc.

We only had powered flight a few generations ago. We still can’t cure common illnesses. We still burn coal to keep warm. If the world was equivalent to the whole solar system, we have only just stepped outside to get the mail.

If there was one single other civilsation, the chances of them being anywhere as backward as us are too small to contemplate. If they visit us, you’ll have more miracles than you can poke a stick at.

Imagine putting Aristotle in a modern jet and you aren’t anywhere near understanding the difference.

There is barely two percent difference between us and our closest relatives. If there was just a two percent difference between us and an alien species, it would be like you explaining quantum physics to a chimp.
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I agree. But why would a highly intelligent alien race, much more developed than ours, want to visit us, except perhaps “to serve man”?
 
meltzerboy said:
I agree. But why would a highly intelligent alien race, much more developed than ours, want to visit us, except perhaps “to serve man”?
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Curiosity? If we discovered basic alien life on Europa, we’d spend a galactic amount of money in finding out as much as possible about it.
 
Given there are billions of stars in our own galaxy and billions if not trillions of galaxies, the probability that we are alone is very small!

Therefore, this begs the questions:

1.) Other intelligent beings must exist.
2.) If they did not commit the sins of Adam and Eve, they must be living in their paradise.
3.) But, what about those who might have sinned. Who is their savior?
 
I don’t think we are alone, considering that there is billions of galaxies and planets in the universe that is likely many of them can hold life.
 
Yes, there are multiple billions of galaxies, and hundreds of billions of stars in each. But, what exactly are the odds of every factor necessary for life, let alone conscious, intelligent life to form and thrive on a planet? Could it be that the odds are exactly one in the number of planets/bodies that may be out there?
 
Without having any scientific reason to think so, I think we are, indeed, alone.

We have been sending out radio signals for what, about 120 years now? I don’t expect responses, and I think our galaxy is something like 100,000 light years across.

But still, we’re now seeing light from galaxies that emanated from them billions of years ago, and millions, and thousands. And yet, we have discerned not a single signal generated from any of them. Given that there are unimaginable billions of stars and planets, one would think that by now some creature or other would have long ago emitted some kind of transmission. They wouldn’t necessarily be on our own time table of development. The chances of picking up something other than light or radiation would be pretty large, it would seem, given all the years “aliens” have had to generate something we could pick up. And yet, nothing.

I am sometimes given to wondering whether perhaps the remainder of the universe is the realm of what we call “angels”. What, after all, are they? What are their precise attributes beyond the rather limited ones that have been revealed to us? We are told they have some roles in the universe. But we don’t know what they are. Does one or perhaps a million of them govern what Dark Matter does in union with the Divine Intelligence as participants? Does one or more govern how Quantum Mechanics works and why? After all, we till the earth, plant trees and crops and catch fish and operate bulldozers. We are moving and affecting the earth, and utterly beyond the ken of other creatures of the earth.
And exactly what lies twenty miles below my feet as I sit here is likely beyond the knowledge of any human being who will ever live.

So why might there not be a realm in which the actions of the creatures who inhabit it be as beyond our ability to grasp as Shakespeare is, and will always remain, to a sea slug?

So why, then, would there be one place upon which we little diggers and planters and stackers of rocks are exclusively? Well, for a believer, for perhaps the same reason the big universe exists. Because He wants it and loves it for its own sake.
 
I suppose we do not know if we are alone. But I think we are not. I also wonder why God created space…I mean so much of it…parts we cannot see or fathom. Surely it is not a waste. ☺️ If there were only life on Earth, how odd that would be!
 
frobert said:
Short answer
A technologically advanced world will run out of energy before it develops the technology necessary for space travel out of its galaxy.
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That is a very big assumption, we have absolutely no idea what kind of technology an advanced civilization may have, nor what kind of energy source they have.

I always have to laugh when I hear skeptics refer to the vastness of space and no way any race could figure a way to travel such long distances…they do not stop to think the advanced civilization likely found ways to get around that hurdle and I seriously doubt any advanced race is still relying on ‘brute force’ methods of propulsion, our most advanced rockets and space ships would be like horse and buggy to a race that may be anywhere from 1000s of years ahead to us to millions of years ahead, quite simply, their technology would appear to be magic to humans, its just something we could not even comprehend, much less how it works. LOL
 
mikekle said:
That is a very big assumption, we have absolutely no idea what kind of technology an advanced civilization may have, nor what kind of energy source they have.

I always have to laugh when I hear skeptics refer to the vastness of space and no way any race could figure a way to travel such long distances…they do not stop to think the advanced civilization likely found ways to get around that hurdle and I seriously doubt any advanced race is still relying on ‘brute force’ methods of propulsion, our most advanced rockets and space ships would be like horse and buggy to a race that may be anywhere from 1000s of years ahead to us to millions of years ahead, quite simply, their technology would appear to be magic to humans, its just something we could not even comprehend, much less how it works. LOL
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My post was in reference to Fermi’s paradox. If you believe intergalactic travel has taken place how do you explain Fermi’s paradox?

If you read the article I referred to you would have the long answer and a bit more information to ponder.

Solving Fermi’s Paradox
 
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