Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

[anon79686166]

RMichelucc;4288720:

I don’t think anyone here has tried to rubbish any person for having the homosexual orientation.What they have been trying to point out is that you should live a celibate life.The use of the word Gay implies active homosexuality.I am 65 years old and,believe me,i didn’t get to be impotent because i didn’t marry the girl of my dreams.It was no more difficult for the priest or homosexual trying to live a celibate life than it was for me.Life can also be rather lonely for the alcoholic who cannot risk even going into a Bar with friends in case he gives way to temptation.In addition,if i am a prejudiced person,which i am not,it is easier for me to pick up on a person’s race or creed than it is to spot whether someone is Gay.

I’ve never advocated anything against Church teaching on this forum, but the word gay does in no way mean sexually active people. it is an orientation.



Pax

 

[LeroyCRHP]

Pray for this thread…

 

[Dale_M]

Speaking on a purely practical level, marriage is the well considered joining of two people who truly care for one another. The act of mutual self giving is not confined to children but that is how human beings reproduce.

And the intention to raise children is a very sensible reason to marry. But marriages are not dissolved when children are grown, nor are childless marriages invalidated. Marriage has more purpose than child-rearing.

I think there is something fundamental about a lifelong covenant between two people to care for one another, no matter what comes. This is an institution which benefits society by promoting the health and well-being of both partners. But it is an institution which much of the US unjustly denies to gay couples.

Of course, sacramental marriage is different. The Church has every right to define and conduct its practices as it sees best. The OP suggested that Catholics will be persecuted in the future because of the Church’s position on homosexuality. Of course, he lives in the UK and I do not so I don’t have a good feel for cultural currents there, but in the US we have strong traditions of freedom of religion and separation of church and state, so I don’t see persecution likely.

 

[Dempsey1919]

It’s so not natural that many other mammals do it as well.

Men are different from the other creatures. We have morality and the natural law. The argument that other mammals engage in homosexuality has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever. Animals are driven solely by the instinct to survive; they don’t have any moral codes outside relating to issues that have no relevance to their survival. Humanity knows what is right and wrong because the creator has told us. He has given us the natural law which shapes our innate moral code; and to make sure we know what is right and what is wrong, God has revealed himself to us. God has told us that homosexuality is an abomination.

 

[buffalo]

Is this indoctrinating the kids or what?

A First Grade Field Trip to a Gay Ceremony

 

[Valke2]

I’m personally grateful to God that my children are not burdened with the same prejudices against homosexuals, minorities, etc. that I was.

 

[AnneMary]

Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

Oh God , Yes we are more than forced . It’s almost scaring the way we are forced to accept or close our eyes to this sin . Nobody is remembering Sodom and Gomorrah , or this is a simply story from the past . Because they can not destroy the truth of contained in the book of Genesis 19:24-25 , then they deny existence of God . We must instead accept "religious and sexual tolerance " … or we will be called homophobe . The truth is that Homophobe is an invented derogatory term that can be used to silence opposition from those who believe in full, authentic Church teaching.
In the end I’m asking sadly : *Quo Vadis Domine * ?

 

[pnewton]

We are not, can not, be forced to accept homosexuality. It is contrary to who we are to say we can be force to accept a thing. Even if (or when) persecution occurs for us maintaining God’s standard, we do not have to concede moral ground. Have we forgotten we are a people born of persecution? If this is the worst it gets, let us be thankful. The devil still seeks whom he may devour. In our generation he has chosen the tactics he used in Sodom and Gommorah. He plays on the unnatural and perveted lusts to create minions we know as the gay and lesbian movement. Just be thankful that it is our jobs and freedom that is threatened by the promoters of immorality and not our lives by these agents of the devil.

 

[AnneMary]

Just be thankful that it is our jobs and freedom that is threatened by the promoters of immorality and not our lives by these agents of the devil.

This is really wonderful theoretical , when you don’t have to face directly the consequences of losing your job or other kind of punishments . These are the facts and daily realities in Sweden ( I’ll mention one man of honor who went to jail just for the courage to say public that Homosexuality is a sin . His name is Åke Green .

 

[edwest2]

The Bible tells us that a time will come when men will no longer endure sound doctrine. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Homosexual sex acts are a sin. It’s as simple as that.

It is not a majority of people who are allowing gay marriage but a handful of judges and politicians. Indoctrinating children in schools is something the Communists did. So Catholic parents are taking their children out of the schools so that their cuildren will be taught by their own parents and not the State.

Peace,
Ed

 

[pnewton]

This is really wonderful theoretical , when you don’t have to face directly the consequences of losing your job or other kind of punishments …

It is still an occasion for joy.

James 1:2-4

Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you encounter various trials, for you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.And let perseverance be perfect, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

 

[Valke2]

Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

Oh God , Yes we are more than forced . It’s almost scaring the way we are forced to accept or close our eyes to this sin . Nobody is remembering Sodom and Gomorrah , or this is a simply story from the past . Because they can not destroy the truth of contained in the book of Genesis 19:24-25 , then they deny existence of God . We must instead accept "religious and sexual tolerance " … or we will be called homophobe . The truth is that Homophobe is an invented derogatory term that can be used to silence opposition from those who believe in full, authentic Church teaching.
In the end I’m asking sadly : *Quo Vadis Domine * ?

I don’t recall reading that the people of Soddom or Gomorrah were destroyed because they were homosexuals.

 

[Valke2]

This is really wonderful theoretical , when you don’t have to face directly the consequences of losing your job or other kind of punishments . These are the facts and daily realities in Sweden ( I’ll mention one man of honor who went to jail just for the courage to say public that Homosexuality is a sin . His name is Åke Green .

Ake Green was aquitted. He violated the Sweden’s laws against hate speech, but the Supreme Court in upholding his aquittal, said a conviction would most likely be overturned by the European Court of Human Rights.

According to wikipedia the sermon:
At his church in Borgholm, Green delivered a sermon in which he described homosexuality as “abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society,” and homosexuals as “perverts, whose sexual drive the Devil has used as his strongest weapon against God.” He also said that a person cannot be a Christian and a homosexual at the same time.

He insisted that homosexuality is chosen, not inborn, and claimed that “[e]verybody can be set free and delivered.”

At the end of his sermon, Green said: “We cannot condemn these people — Jesus never did that either. He showed everyone He met deep respect for the person they were (…) Jesus never belittled anyone.”
That’s a pretty funny way to end such a sermon.

Green had invited media to attend the sermon, but when nobody turned up he wrote a summary of the sermon, including the above-mentioned quotes, which was printed in the local newspaper Ölandsbladet. A representative of nearby Kalmar’s RFSL, an LGBT equal rights organization, reported the sermon to the police and the controversy began.

 

[pnewton]

I don’t recall reading that the people of Soddom or Gomorrah were destroyed because they were homosexuals.

They were destroyed because they were evil and wicked. The men wanting to have sex with other men was the one wickedness that we have recorded. Besides that we don’t know.

 

[sodak]

How do you know that what you think you are being forced to accept is gay sex? The Church has consistently said not to condemn others with the orientation, so I think people focus WAY too much on gay people. Why does everyone care SO MUCH about other peoples’ sex acts?

Because it is being pushed on us so hard by the media and society. The acceptance of it is even being forced on my at my workplace, but I’m happy to say that it isn’t working too well for them…

Yes, it’s obvious that people who support homosexuality are utilizing the media to make their points. But I am at a loss as to how to counter that. If you say anything slightly against homosexuality, you are branded a hate-mongering fringe lunatic. I’ve never been a very diplomatic person, so I have no idea how to circumvent that aspect of the debate.

I tend to speak the truth plainly, and let the chips fall where they may. Christ said the world hated him first. I really don’t care if people try to brand me. Brand away! That’s a brand that I WANT to have at my judgement!

Listen: if you don’t like the Gay Pride march, how about not going into the city that day?

Or better yet, go and demonstrate. That’s our right too!

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Listen: if you don’t like the Gay Pride march, how about not going into the city that day?

That would be easy, unless I had to go to work, or if it passed on the street in front of my house where my kids play!!!

Every group has the right to assemble and celebrate their diversity. ***It isn’t about them having a parade…it is about the conduct of and around the parade that I vehemently protest. It is vulgar in either homo or hetero sexual behavior. Have you seen one? Why should we have to be exposed to people acting in such a sexual way as they are parading down the street? Why should they get away with breaking decency laws just because they are homosexual?***Catholics have parades all the time. So do other groups - Mothers Against Drunk Driving have events. PETA. etc. etc. do you see what I am getting at? The KKK has them for goodness sake. Assemblies are legal and nothing is being shoved down anyone’s throat.Read above remark. It is precisely what goes on at these parades that I contest. I am not trying to take away anyone’s right to a peaceful assembly. I am protesting people acting in an illegal, vulgar manner!

In school - the reality is, there are gay people. The reality is, some of your children will realize they have affection for people of the same sex! In schools, where it is acknowledged people of all sexualities exist, it is just a reflection of reality. ***Not so. So, are they teaching that people will have affection for people of opposite sex also? Come on, these people are trying to have special priviledges. Sexual attraction and affection have absolutely NO business on school grounds. And schools should not be talking about it at all!!! They should be keeping it off of their campuses!!! That is their responsibility. I do not send my kids to school to learn about alternative lifestyles, or normal ones for that matter. I, first of all, am forced to send my kids to school by law. Second of all, I send them to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, science (not sex education or the THEORY of evolution), history (not a watered down, turned upside down version of it). ***

The Church and parents can certainly teach the morals of anything they want to children, but health class teaches facts. Homosexuality is not Health!!! Eating well, excersize, good hygeine…that is health. Safe sex, or sex education at all is not health.

Pax

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

And the intention to raise children is a very sensible reason to marry. But marriages are not dissolved when children are grown, nor are childless marriages invalidated. Marriage has more purpose than child-rearing.

I think there is something fundamental about a lifelong covenant between two people to care for one another, no matter what comes. This is an institution which benefits society by promoting the health and well-being of both partners. But it is an institution which much of the US unjustly denies to gay couples. Your argument is with God, who created man and woman for the purpose of procreation. And it has always been this way. This is a reason why a girl could get married only after she had reached puberty…and in some societies, any time after that.

Of course, sacramental marriage is different. The Church has every right to define and conduct its practices as it sees best. The OP suggested that Catholics will be persecuted in the future because of the Church’s position on homosexuality. Of course, he lives in the UK and I do not so I don’t have a good feel for cultural currents there, but in the US we have strong traditions of freedom of religion and separation of church and state, so I don’t see persecution likely.

Culture does not define morality. Morality defines culture. And we need to be a moral culture…because we will reap what we sow.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I’m personally grateful to God that my children are not burdened with the same prejudices against homosexuals, minorities, etc. that I was.

I am not prejudice against any person…but their actions are another thing. Would you be saying I was wrong for calling a murderer a sinner? Why not? Who gave us the law against killing? God Almighty. So, if he says sex outside of marriage is a sin, I need to call those who have sex outside of marriage sinners. I am not allowed to be a Christian if I want to only accept from God the things that are comfortable or happy or convenient to me.

And I am called to love the sinner, while yet hating the sin. And I have no problem differentiating the 2. I have known homosexuals. I have spent time with them. They can be wonderful people, because they are people. And they behave with dignity, and are certainly treated with dignity.
But the moment that they start showing romantic affection, there is a problem…because God says so. Cherie isn’t the one who is saying so…it is God. And I will obey His laws…or I will pay the consequences.

We will reap what we sow. And God is the deciding factor.

 

[Valke2]

They were destroyed because they were evil and wicked. The men wanting to have sex with other men was the one wickedness that we have recorded. Besides that we don’t know.

Actually, we read that the “entire town” demanded to “know the strangers”. Assuming the town was made up of women and men, it seems the sin was rape, not simply homosexuality. Or more generally, the poor treatment of strangers.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

This is really wonderful theoretical , when you don’t have to face directly the consequences of losing your job or other kind of punishments . These are the facts and daily realities in Sweden ( I’ll mention one man of honor who went to jail just for the courage to say public that Homosexuality is a sin . His name is Åke Green .

America, our time is coming!!! God will not fail to make us account for the 55 million plus babies aborted in the wombs of women in the USA. He will not fail to make us account for the blatant immorality that is lawfully being committed in the USA. He will not fail to make us accountable for kicking him out of the USA institutions, being replaced by anti God propaganda…like many different acceptances of evolution.

WAKE UP, AMERICA !!!